Ender1310 wrote: »

So you don't think that there should be any other way to gain transmute? Do you think the current alotment is fine?

There are better than half a dozen ways to gain Transmute crystals right now. How many more do you honestly need?

• Trials coffers
• Trials end boss
• vMA
• Pledges
• RDF Dailies
• End boss chance for geodes
• 1st RftW mail daily
• Alliance end of campaign rewards.
• Event boxes

No. Acquiring transmute stones is already heavily pvp favoured. There is no need for even more pvp based ways to get stones.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

So you don't think that there should be any other way to gain transmute? Do you think the current alotment is fine?

There are better than half a dozen ways to gain Transmute crystals right now. How many more do you honestly need?

• Trials coffers
• Trials end boss
• vMA
• Pledges
• RDF Dailies
• End boss chance for geodes
• 1st RftW mail daily
• Alliance end of campaign rewards.
• Event boxes

Yes... and how many of these are available to solo players who only do quest content?!? Oh, but apparently we don't want to transmute our gear in ZOS' mind. Locking this feature behind content that most solo players don't play is a bunch of b.s.

ADarklore wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

So you don't think that there should be any other way to gain transmute? Do you think the current alotment is fine?

There are better than half a dozen ways to gain Transmute crystals right now. How many more do you honestly need?

• Trials coffers
• Trials end boss
• vMA
• Pledges
• RDF Dailies
• End boss chance for geodes
• 1st RftW mail daily
• Alliance end of campaign rewards.
• Event boxes

Yes... and how many of these are available to solo players who only do quest content?!? Oh, but apparently we don't want to transmute our gear in ZOS' mind. Locking this feature behind content that most solo players don't play is a bunch of b.s.

I mean if your exclusively questing or doing normal level content then there is absolutely no reason to need Best in slot traits. Likewise, if you really do want them you can do what most people do, go to the 30 day pvp campaign and either fix some walls and/or ride to keeps and get the ap ticks. You don't even need to fight or be in a group. Also if you just like questing there are soloable quests in cyrodil that involve nothing more then questing. Yes you might get killed, but that's not really an issue as the quest are usually in minimally populated areas. Get 25k ap for tier 1 on a few different characters a month and you'll have more then you know what to do with before long. All "group" pve content gives minimal transmute crystals. Likewise you do the random normal daily for crystals which might as well be a solo activity. Also vMA gives you crystals which is an entirely solo activity.

exeeter702 wrote: »

From bgs alone, im constantly sitting at cap.

This!!!

ADarklore wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

So you don't think that there should be any other way to gain transmute? Do you think the current alotment is fine?

There are better than half a dozen ways to gain Transmute crystals right now. How many more do you honestly need?

• Trials coffers
• Trials end boss
• vMA
• Pledges
• RDF Dailies
• End boss chance for geodes
• 1st RftW mail daily
• Alliance end of campaign rewards.
• Event boxes

Yes... and how many of these are available to solo players who only do quest content?!? Oh, but apparently we don't want to transmute our gear in ZOS' mind. Locking this feature behind content that most solo players don't play is a bunch of b.s.

If I want a msa bow but I can't be arsed to step outside my pvp comfort zone - guess what? Right, I make demands in the forum instead of running that content. See what I did there? Only difference between this and yours is that crystals are much easier to come by.

ADarklore wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

So you don't think that there should be any other way to gain transmute? Do you think the current alotment is fine?

There are better than half a dozen ways to gain Transmute crystals right now. How many more do you honestly need?

• Trials coffers
• Trials end boss
• vMA
• Pledges
• RDF Dailies
• End boss chance for geodes
• 1st RftW mail daily
• Alliance end of campaign rewards.
• Event boxes

Yes... and how many of these are available to solo players who only do quest content?!? Oh, but apparently we don't want to transmute our gear in ZOS' mind. Locking this feature behind content that most solo players don't play is a bunch of b.s.

Starlock wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

So you don't think that there should be any other way to gain transmute? Do you think the current alotment is fine?

There are better than half a dozen ways to gain Transmute crystals right now. How many more do you honestly need?

• Trials coffers
• Trials end boss
• vMA
• Pledges
• RDF Dailies
• End boss chance for geodes
• 1st RftW mail daily
• Alliance end of campaign rewards.
• Event boxes

Yes... and how many of these are available to solo players who only do quest content?!? Oh, but apparently we don't want to transmute our gear in ZOS' mind. Locking this feature behind content that most solo players don't play is a bunch of b.s.

It is, and it’s very unfortunate. It’s more unfortunate that the predictable responses are a bunch of malarky that fail to understand why it is some people feel this is a problem. When this feature was in development, it was originally worse if you can believe it. It catered exclusively to the... what do they call themselves... ‘end game’ crowd and was vet group content only, iirc. Complaints were raised about this and about the lack of non-group, non-PvP sources for crystals. We still don’t have them, and it seems a long shot for it to be introduced now. It would be much appreciated if it were, though, especially with the jewelry crafting fiasco we have on our hands. JC by itself demands an overland source of transmute crystals given sets do not drop in the new traits.

Honestly this argument gets old fast. Transmutation crystals were implemented specifically to create measurable end goal for those that participate and farm for specific gear and can be sure that their efforts arent exclusively at the mercy of rng.

If you want to qualify for earning this form of currency, you need to participate in the requisite activities for which having said currency would even be relevant to you.

Zos specifically omitted transmutation crystals from the questing / leveling experience because they understand full well 2 simple principles.

1. The leveling questing experience presents no challenge whatsoever for which specific optimized triats are in any way necessary. This is the definition of relaxed, casual, low stakes, leasure content. If this is your preferred method of playing experience, you are not being punished by being "locked out" of the retraiting system. You are simply not being rewarded with a currency for which the developers have deemed desirable for players participating in end game pve/pvp activites for which optimized gear very much has an impact in your performance.

2. A grind without a measurable end point is a very bad feeling for players in most cases. Having a way for players to say "well luck has been terrible, this is my 100th run of x dungeon without the drop i need. But if i keep at doing this content i will at least eventually be able to obtain it". It is also why the cap was set at where its at. Its a limited fixer for poor rng. They dont want trait drops to not even be a factor where eventually most players will be sitting on a mountian of transmuation gems thus completely rendering randomly rolled traits moot.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

They do need to up the rate that you can get Transmute Geodes from PvE dungeons.

I can't stand doing PvP, one the game play but that lack of stability of the servers. Getting a purple one from each pledge is nice sure, but half the time I get 2 at most from each one. They should also just drop a blue or purple off every boss, or at th very least 100% off the last boss of any Vet dungeon

I could get behind this dropping off of the last boss idea. At least you could farm dungeons for them.

I do not agree with a Tel Var - Transmute exchange. At this point in time, there are only a few activities that reward transmute crystals, rewards for the worthy and end of campaign rewards. To a lesser extent, weekly rewards for trials. To a much lesser extent, undaunted dailies and dungeon bosses. If there were to be changes made, I'd like to see the rewards more evenly balanced among the current sources before adding new sources to the mix.

Starlock wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Honestly this argument gets old fast. Transmutation crystals were implemented specifically to create measurable end goal for those that participate and farm for specific gear and can be sure that their efforts arent exclusively at the mercy of rng.

If you want to qualify for earning this form of currency, you need to participate in the requisite activities for which having said currency would even be relevant to you.

You know what also gets old? People not actually asking the reasons why others want to transmute gear and inserting their own assumptions (usually pejorative) into the picture. You have no idea what is relevant to somone unless you ask.

This, even after specifically calling out jewelry crafting, for which the notion of rng mercy does not even apply for dropped sets.

Relevancy is not subjective in this case. The rules are set i place by the devs for obvious reasons. The problem with people who share you mindset is that they dont know how to accept the simple truth that the question of WHY casual solo quest players would desire access to the retrait system is a worthless one.

Regardless there is no convincing answer to that question. It has been asked numerous times, and it always boil down to some inconsequential or frankly ridiculous reason along the lines of "i pay to play this game too, i should have access to all systems offered" or "even as a casual player who only does quests, i deserve progression avenues too" etc etc etc.

Its not meant to be useful for solo content overworld questing, its not meant for dedicated crafters, its not meant for RPers. Its meant to lessen the frustration for end game players grinding out content for ideal trait drops. End of discussion.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

So you don't think that there should be any other way to gain transmute? Do you think the current alotment is fine?

There are better than half a dozen ways to gain Transmute crystals right now. How many more do you honestly need?

• Trials coffers-Nope
• Trials end boss-Nope
• vMA-Nope
• Pledges-once in a great while
• RDF Dailies-Nope
• End boss chance for geodes-Nope
• 1st RftW mail daily-PvP'er so of course I get these. Have yet to see one with 24 geodes (the max) in it though.
• Alliance end of campaign rewards.-Too long of a wait for the monthly ones. One piece a week is too little to play weekly campaign
• Event boxes-Eh, now your stretching it...

So roughly 3 of those things are open to me. The geode system needs to be able to hold more, and gain more within the type of play we do. PvE or PvP.

redspecter23 wrote: »

I do not agree with a Tel Var - Transmute exchange. At this point in time, there are only a few activities that reward transmute crystals, rewards for the worthy and end of campaign rewards. To a lesser extent, weekly rewards for trials. To a much lesser extent, undaunted dailies and dungeon bosses. If there were to be changes made, I'd like to see the rewards more evenly balanced among the current sources before adding new sources to the mix.

Thanks!

Starlock wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Relevancy is not subjective in this case. The rules are set i place by the devs for obvious reasons. The problem with people who share you mindset is that they dont know how to accept the simple truth that the question of WHY casual solo quest players would desire access to the retrait system is a worthless one.

It's kind of rude to suggest someone else's needs and concerns are "worthless." Somehow, I don't imagine the developers agree with that attitude considering the needs and concerns of paying customers directly impact their revenue. But since you clearly are not interested in discussing or asking others about their "worthless" needs and concerns, it is indeed the end of the discussion (it's not as as if a real discussion ever got started anyway).

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Its worthless in that there is no measurable value or purpose in having that system in that category of content. Dont confuse the distinction. No one is talking about diminishing personal values in this game. Its about curbing entitlement for players who want something just because as opposed to having a legitimate reason for wanting it.

Humor me on this one, why would a solo contnet casual player desire transmutation crystals? Aside from the two reasons i mentioned already?