Really? We are complaining about bgs now?

AbysmalGhul · August 2018

I have a blast playing BG's. It's easy, fun and convenient. I just my drop in with my PVE character and go to town. Pre-mades, and funky PVP builds stand no chance *devil face

TheInfernalRage · August 2018

Yep, I really find BG's the most fun PVP in this game. Some people just can't accept they suck at BG's. For some reason, getting killed affects their self-esteem.

Ydrisselle · August 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I also remember the complaints about PvP from launch (I wasn't in beta), so the notion that there was some magic period when everything in Cyrodiil was honey and roses is nonsense

This is a fair point around balance, but misses the bigger picture. The biggest picture in PvP in Cyrodiil is performance. Everything else pales in comparison to that. Fix performance in Cyrodiil and we can then focus on balance much more easily.

I'm almost sure it's impossible without the complete rewrite of the server codebase, and since ZOS didn't do it yet, I doubt that they will start now... (don't forget that it's months' work, maybe more than a year)

eso_lags · August 2018

Why do people always have to draw a line? Cant you people look at things from an outside perspective? I mean it doesnt have to be that bgs is terrible or that bgs is perfect..

Imo bgs is messed up but still can be fun and is pretty addicting even with its issues. The main issues for me are the que. Its much better than it was in morrowind but you still end up in a que for a while.. " someone has declined the que, you have been placed at the front" over and over..

2nd issue is that this is a CP game. Having no CP in a CP game is so incredibly stupid. There should AT LEAST be a CP mode. And trust me i wish the game didnt have CP but then a lot of sets would need to be adjusted.. This ties in with the 3rd problem as well.

3rd is that having no CP some things are broken. I mean some things are broken WITH CP.. Take the CP away and its a mess. First off is sorcs. "QQ nerf sorc".. No thats not what im saying. But i catch sorcs all the time in stealth sneaking around the map (on certain maps) or kiting around the edges of other maps. All these sorcs do is endless fury spam every person they see. This allows them to steal kills easily. Now im not saying that the majority of sorcs do this, or that its a huge issue, but its still somewhat of an issue.. Probably not one that can be fixed and its tolerable but im still going to mention it because it is a small issue..

The next thing is the snipers. Snipers are bad in cyrodil (especially the exploiting snipe glitchers) but glass cannon snipe builds in no cp can 2 shot you before you even know it because of the way snipe works. 2 hit you before you know they were coming. No cp puts a strain on your resources. I can run a build with 2700 crit resist, 30k max stam, 20k max health, 23k resistances, and still get hit with 9-10k snipes. And the last thing is certain proc sets. Sloads, zaan, sloads snipers, etc... This is just gross in no cp.

While these things are aggravating i dont think they make bgs bad. But please dont say bgs is "just fine" or perfect when its simply not true. Bgs is great but could use some work. Fixing the que (which im convinced will never happen) would make me happy. Also putting just one CP mode in would also make me happy.. But since they like to flip flop between no cp/cp bgs im convinced it will only go one way or the other, not both.

Ihatenightblades · August 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

Why do people always have to draw a line? Cant you people look at things from an outside perspective? I mean it doesnt have to be that bgs is terrible or that bgs is perfect..

Imo bgs is messed up but still can be fun and is pretty addicting even with its issues. The main issues for me are the que. Its much better than it was in morrowind but you still end up in a que for a while.. " someone has declined the que, you have been placed at the front" over and over..

2nd issue is that this is a CP game. Having no CP in a CP game is so incredibly stupid. There should AT LEAST be a CP mode. And trust me i wish the game didnt have CP but then a lot of sets would need to be adjusted.. This ties in with the 3rd problem as well.

3rd is that having no CP some things are broken. I mean some things are broken WITH CP.. Take the CP away and its a mess. First off is sorcs. "QQ nerf sorc".. No thats not what im saying. But i catch sorcs all the time in stealth sneaking around the map (on certain maps) or kiting around the edges of other maps. All these sorcs do is endless fury spam every person they see. This allows them to steal kills easily. Now im not saying that the majority of sorcs do this, or that its a huge issue, but its still somewhat of an issue.. Probably not one that can be fixed and its tolerable but im still going to mention it because it is a small issue..

The next thing is the snipers. Snipers are bad in cyrodil (especially the exploiting snipe glitchers) but glass cannon snipe builds in no cp can 2 shot you before you even know it because of the way snipe works. 2 hit you before you know they were coming. No cp puts a strain on your resources. I can run a build with 2700 crit resist, 30k max stam, 20k max health, 23k resistances, and still get hit with 9-10k snipes. And the last thing is certain proc sets. Sloads, zaan, sloads snipers, etc... This is just gross in no cp.

While these things are aggravating i dont think they make bgs bad. But please dont say bgs is "just fine" or perfect when its simply not true. Bgs is great but could use some work. Fixing the que (which im convinced will never happen) would make me happy. Also putting just one CP mode in would also make me happy.. But since they like to flip flop between no cp/cp bgs im convinced it will only go one way or the other, not both.

All those things you mentioned have nothing to do with BGs itself... zaan sloads snipers?

Clearly there is a issue buts its more balance issues. The concept of bgs and strategy that can go behind some game modes is fun idc what anybody says its the most fluid pvp in the game.

I use to argue for CP bgs but i changed my mind its perfect how it is i just think the things you mentioned definitely need nerfing. Thats all.

Finviuswe · August 2018

What I like about BGs is the quick access to fights. Upon dying, a long ride to the battlefield is not required.

Combat feels more fast paced and there r other ways that it differs from Cyro which can be positive and sometimes even negative.

For example, dueling seems to be more prevalent in cyrodiil whereas getting a good duel in is almost never possible in BGs because someone else will come and break up the duel. The main thing I wish for BGs is that they'd add in a skill based ranking system. So, not like the alliance war rank system (which is good, I like that system and think it is fine as is). But I just wish they'd add a skill based ranking system (maybe even one where your rank can go up and down, based on wins or losses) to BGs to give people more reason to play it and give a better sense of accomplishment to the game mode.

Mayrael · August 2018

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

So many players have been blasting BG’s because they feel thry arent bein placed on s team that dominates to their liking.

Dont let these forums get to you zos Bgs is the best pvp mode we have and its endless fun imo.

So many different scenarios and tactics you can go with. You assume your being put with premades but you are queuing solo? Sounds to me you getting PACKKED UP and are just coming here to make unnecessary changes to game.

I dominate almost every solo Q i join so i know theres others. Git gud brah

#LeaveBgsAlone

Yup, totally agree. With bad premades I couldn't win a single match in 10 BGs, when queued solo I have won 22 out of 25 BGs in a row, many times it was a matter of just few points, there were almost no matches where one of the teams would dominate so hard that others couldn't do a thing, system works and finally I can jump into BG whenever I want without 1h of waiting to gather decent team.

Mayrael · August 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

No, the mmr system has ruined battlegrounds for me. Waiting 20 minutes for a 10 minute battleground isn't fun

Lol. It's general group finder issue, it's the same for dungs. I have my days off and queued for BGs since morning and guess what? Till 6-7PM my queues were so fast, I could craft like 10-20 potions between them. Then suddenly rush hours are on and group_finder.exe stopped working, then I gaved up.

Odovacar · August 2018

A lot of newer BG players since the flood gates were opened with summerset. Also, when you have a possibility of a daily xp bonus for #1, #2 spot finish that will also bring in the ones who don't know how to play PvP that well for the "chance". Give it time hopefully it gets better.

JobooAGS · August 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

Why do people always have to draw a line? Cant you people look at things from an outside perspective? I mean it doesnt have to be that bgs is terrible or that bgs is perfect..

Imo bgs is messed up but still can be fun and is pretty addicting even with its issues. The main issues for me are the que. Its much better than it was in morrowind but you still end up in a que for a while.. " someone has declined the que, you have been placed at the front" over and over..

2nd issue is that this is a CP game. Having no CP in a CP game is so incredibly stupid. There should AT LEAST be a CP mode. And trust me i wish the game didnt have CP but then a lot of sets would need to be adjusted.. This ties in with the 3rd problem as well.

3rd is that having no CP some things are broken. I mean some things are broken WITH CP.. Take the CP away and its a mess. First off is sorcs. "QQ nerf sorc".. No thats not what im saying. But i catch sorcs all the time in stealth sneaking around the map (on certain maps) or kiting around the edges of other maps. All these sorcs do is endless fury spam every person they see. This allows them to steal kills easily. Now im not saying that the majority of sorcs do this, or that its a huge issue, but its still somewhat of an issue.. Probably not one that can be fixed and its tolerable but im still going to mention it because it is a small issue..

The next thing is the snipers. Snipers are bad in cyrodil (especially the exploiting snipe glitchers) but glass cannon snipe builds in no cp can 2 shot you before you even know it because of the way snipe works. 2 hit you before you know they were coming. No cp puts a strain on your resources. I can run a build with 2700 crit resist, 30k max stam, 20k max health, 23k resistances, and still get hit with 9-10k snipes. And the last thing is certain proc sets. Sloads, zaan, sloads snipers, etc... This is just gross in no cp.

While these things are aggravating i dont think they make bgs bad. But please dont say bgs is "just fine" or perfect when its simply not true. Bgs is great but could use some work. Fixing the que (which im convinced will never happen) would make me happy. Also putting just one CP mode in would also make me happy.. But since they like to flip flop between no cp/cp bgs im convinced it will only go one way or the other, not both.

People say there are snipe exploiters, but "how?" is the question so that can be fixed?

Urvoth · August 2018

BGs are fun and decent right now, but making them 6v6 would vastly improve the gameplay.

xan4silkb14_ESO · August 2018

Mureel wrote: »

Agreed! Ffs! Like just stahp. Queue solo. Stop going in premades and just have some fun.

Fish while you wait. Or pick flowers or do some surveys, whatever, and get on with it.

Don't let BG be edited down to where 10% of the population even bother.

Do not do surveys while you wait. I made that mistake and wasn't even thinking about it as I accepted the invitation to join BG and I had picked one node and then the rest were gone once I got back.

Deyirn · August 2018

PvP in gear-dependant games can be even more infuriating, because skill is second in importance, if you have garbage gear it doesn't matter how good you are.

Hixtory · August 2018

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

So many players have been blasting BG’s because they feel thry arent bein placed on s team that dominates to their liking.

Dont let these forums get to you zos Bgs is the best pvp mode we have and its endless fun imo.

So many different scenarios and tactics you can go with. You assume your being put with premades but you are queuing solo? Sounds to me you getting PACKKED UP and are just coming here to make unnecessary changes to game.

I dominate almost every solo Q i join so i know theres others. Git gud brah

#LeaveBgsAlone

Is funny coming from a player who has been whining about whatever it kills you in PVP for months and is know to be the person asking for nerf all the time

The irony is strong in this post