Either an increased time limit or make the guards move in turn quicker and faster that would also work I mean they sit there staring in the doorway for like 15 seconds and then they turn around and then you have to wait another nine10 seconds for them to pass you so almost 25/32 secs Just for a guard move from one doorway And if you happen to run into more than one guard you’re basically screwed there just isn’t enough time for you to do these heists even if you go on detected and move superfast through the entire dungeons perfectly just because the garbage take off like two minutes 2 and 1/2 minutes of the heist

Baconlad I’m a little confused at what you’re saying it doesn’t make much sense other than It’s harder for any class / Almost impossible unless you’re a night Blade

I’m talking about the thieves guild hiest for the DLC Where you go steal items in a dungeon and you have a time limit to get them and you have to not be spotted by guards or set of traps If you do you get a penalty to your time limit / Deduction And I believe the time that was like six minutes or something I might be wrong it might be 10 minutes but point is it’s not enough time to do it

It’s not a trial it’s a heist a daily etc Should not be gear based but I feel it is Like you have to have an night s silence lmao And there really isn’t enough time like I said I do them every day and out of every six or five of them I do I only succeed and a perfect run one out of five times

Baconlad wrote: »

The big issue with these missions are that they are gear based. Not skill based. A DK trials tank will not get these achievements. And it's sad.

My DK trials tank has all of the Thieves Guild Heist and Dark Brotherhood Sacrament achievements...

I just don't wear my trials tanking gear while doing stealth missions. All you need for Heists and Sacraments is something that lets you sneak without a movement penalty (Night's Silence crafted gear or being a vampire), and something that reduces the radius you can be detected at (you want to be wearing mostly medium armour & have the Improved Sneak passives, and ideally also a set that further reduces the radius, like Night Terror or Night Mother's Embrace). Then it's just a matter of practice and learning the layouts of the different locations.

With practice and the right gear, you've got plenty of time. No need to be a Nightblade or use invisibility pots or anything - that's just doing it on easy mode. It is very much gear-based though.

Tried a few times to get it, failed by a huge margin, got bored in the end, now I just kill everything instead as it nets me way more loot than doing it properly

They're fine. You should consider that these are thieving challenges. Every good thief comes prepared with the proper equipment when doing a job, be it lockpicks, a proper set of armor conducive to stealth, potions, magic, a curse that turns them into a creature of the night, whatever gets the job done.

If you want to be a thief, you have to play the part. If you show up to a job wearing a suit of clanky metal plates and the sneaking skills of a drunk rhinoceros, well that's your problem. You've got no right to complain.

Heists and Sacraments are very much possible to do with any class. I've started with my vampire NB. It takes a few rounds, a few misses and a few blunders until you learn the patterns, where the NPCs are, where you can be without being seen, and what to expect after every corner.

I've also done them all on my trials DK tank. Just crafted some low level Nights Silence. 3 Night terror jewelry. Add the knowledge from already doing them on NB and a handful of invisi-pots for those moments when you know you will be caught otherwise, or for when you know using one will save you a lot of time.

I've done them on my templar healer with full healing gear. Granted he's a vampire so no need for Nights Silence. Invisi-pots for those tight spots and the knowledge of the layout are halfway there.

I've done a few on my magsorc. No vampire perks. No sneaking gear whatsoever. It's a lot harder to meet the requirements but it's still possible if you know the layout and know when it's safe to sprint and when it's necessary to sneak. Of course the invisi-pots help too.

I think I have done a few on my warden but he's a vampire as well. Same applies for the templar. These don't need more time added. I used to think the exact same when I started doing them and I was on a NB. Heists require practice above anything else. Sacraments I admit, can be a hit or miss because the escape window is a lot smaller and if the target is on the very opposite end of the map, chances are you won't make it.

However, that's why we can be spotted up to 4 times without compromising the reward. If you have 20 seconds left and there's an NPC scratching his backside between you and the exit, just sprint. It will add one to the alert counter but if you are not on the limit already it will spell the difference between making it back in time and failing completely.

partyrockstarmike wrote: »

I don’t know about anyone else but anybody who does the thieves guild heist missions dailies obviously knows that the only way to do these are with a night blade with Night silence armor set Because it allows you to run when you’re sneaking Now this is because there is no time to do it any other way and even with this set it’s Like a 20% chance you’ll succeed in time I am posting this hoping that the makers of elder scrolls online or programmers will see this and maybe fix this and make it more fun for everyone who wishes to do that histe etc I would really hate to see nobody do them every day because they are fun but ultimately there’s no way to get the reward it’s almost impossible and it needs an increased time limit by like a minute or a minute and 30 seconds to make it at least worthwhile what’s everybody’s idea on this

I remember doing those when the dlc first came out, I have 15 toons, and stopped after just two of them, what a pain in the ass they were

There’s a disconnect between the idea of a stealthy theft and a time-crunch in and out rushed mission.

Stealthy thieving puts not being seen as priority #1. Fail at the top priority means total failure at stealthy thieving.

The thieves guild heists place beating the clock as priority #1. It doesn’t matter if you are unseen, grab all the objectives, and glide your way to the exit totally undetected; if you missed the clock then you failed at being a thief.

The thieves guild heists are constructed like a bank robbery during business hours. You get in, and as long as you exit in time you get away with the best reward regardless of how many bank tellers you had to shoot.

There’s a game I’ve been playing, comes free with the paid Xbox gold subscription that is required to play Eso on this console. Called Styx. The devs should try it out and see the differences in how they should have approached stealth gameplay. The best scores come from remaining completely undetected while picking up all the possible loot, regardless of how long it takes. Each section is like the size of 2 to 3 imperial city districts, and it took me more than 6 hours over 2 days to get through the 4 sections that make up the prison area. The speed run for those sections is like a half hour each.

If there was one thing I wish the devs would have done when approaching the thieves guild heists and dark brotherhood sacraments is that these are not tests of speed or the bare minimum of ‘steal’ / ‘kill’.

The heists require as much finesse at stealth as a smash-and-grab from the local store window and the time limit forced the devs to keep those areas crude. The sacraments are about as assassin-like as a musclebound oaf that only needs to bludgeon the target into a pulp regardless of the number of witnesses, and again the time requirement to get out was a shackle on the area creative team holding them back from sculpting something that presented more difficulty than a couple invis pots could handle.

But it will never be changed. Those areas, misbegotten as they are, have been completed and as such those mistakes will never be rectified. Completing them was, for me, like eating a cheeseburger made with vegetarian ground beef - it counts as sustenance and has the required shape, but did nothing beyond the bare minimum to fulfill the hunger.

A gear set for sneaking is definitely helpful for these as mentioned above. If you still have problems try using the Steed Stone and sources of Major/Minor Expidition too for the speed boost. The levels can be easily done within half the time limit once you are used to them. That being said they could use some tweaks. The reliance on platform jumping in some bits is a terrible idea with MMO controls, especially with the glitchy joins between some of the wooden ramps and rough rocks where you can get hung up on nothing. I would also happily trade in half the skills in the Thieves Guild and/or Legerdemain trees for a skill that highlights traps similar to the harvesting ones. Also there is a special place in hell reserved for the sadistic person who added an interactable seat right next to one of the chest locations.