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When are we going to be able to change our stage 4 vampirism appearance?
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TheInfernalRage✭✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »Don't overdo yourself. If someone is trying to discuss about some topic but can't even spell the terms properly, shouldn't be discussing about the topic in the first place.
As long as the point is able to be conveyed, there shouldn't be a problem. If grammar is a pain point for you than you may need to get a new set of priorities. We are not being graded for this so its mostly irrelevant.
We didn't learn language through grammar (and signs are arbitrary anyway). If you can understand what someone is talking about, then you're getting it. Unless of course an error in grammar or spelling turns the message into something ambiguous or incomprehensible, don't bother pointing spelling or grammar.0 -
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✭✭SilverPaws wrote: »
If you want to be a Vampire, you're going to look like a Vampire. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be a Vampire. I don't care about what choice you make. What i care about is people accepting the outcome of their choice.
I don't like the look either, so i choose not to be a Vampire and i live without the passives.
Its very simple.
Your arguments are ridiculous.
Why you care about how people want they're vampire characters to look ?
As you said you don't have vampire character so i don't see reason why you should comment here about it.
Because being a Vampire is a physical Affliction. It is a Curse, a Disease, it is not just some passives in a skill tree, you are a Monster, and this particular Monster does not look like any other normal being. This isn't just some armor piece that can hide under a costume that you can take off and put back on willy nilly, Vampirism and Lycanthropy both serious life altering conditions for your Characters that they must live with if they remain afflicted.
Do you think people with Psoriasis can just magically vanish their scarred skin away just cause they don't like the look? And diseases like that don't even provide any benefits to your life. At least in this game your character gets to have advantageous skills and passive abilities over others at the cost of pasty skin and bloodshot eyes.As you said you don't have vampire character so i don't see reason why you should comment here about it.
It's not a good thing to shut out the opposition. If you want something you must fight for it with reason, knowledge, and compromise. Definitely not by telling people who oppose you, "If you don't support us then go away".
Sorry, just a bunch of meaningless blabla.
As long as a full set of knight's armour can be hidden behind a towel, the whole discussion about reality and breach of it is meaningless at it's best.
If you argue the towel or any other costume as pure cosmetic change, this is also true for vampirism.
No reason needed, if would just provoke an absurd counter.
For instance:
Demand a skin for free. - Don't waste the devs' time!
But they would just create another mount that is not lore-friendly. - It would be for the crown store and earn money!
Put a vampire friendly skin or a package in the crown store. - That's not lore friendly!
But so many mounts and costumes ain't either. - It would be for the crown store and earn money!
Put a vampire friendly skin or a package in the crown store. - That's not lore friendly!
But so many mounts and costumes ain't either. - It would be for the crown store and earn money!
Put a vampire friendly skin or a package in the crown store. - That's not ...
See? No reason needed since the answer would lack it totally.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »
For most players ugliness is the most importing balancing of OP beast blood. Trust me, it is. There is no evidence, but it is. Forget about poor life regen, increased fire damage, vulnerability to explicit anti undead attacks.
Vampirism is different from any ugly af BiS weapon or armour, because diguising a dagger as an axe is fine, but hiding vampirism is under no circumstance lore friendly. Even in the cases it would be, it will not be. Be proud of noxophilia, hide argonian daggers.
Asking for an anti vampire skin will drain valuable ressources from the devs who could create the eleventifirst mount for the crown store and earn money. Asking for a crown skin is also bad because it would earn Zeni a lot of money.
Gosh, I can barely stand that you don't understand this.
1. "even when it will be, it wont be." Horse-pucky. Why is it okay for us to walk around stage four and not be attacked? ILLUSION EXISTS, DAMN IT, BLOODY WELL USE IT.
2. "It takes valuable resources away." Again, Horse-pucky. The cosmetic boys are different then the content production boys, and I can guarentee they'll monitize it so shove off.
Translation of your post: "Stop asking for it because I dont think you should have it."
We have come to a point where people who have genuinely never given a crap about lore in their lives are using lore-friendliness to keep people from having something because they dont think they should have it. Now -that- is entitled.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on August 25, 2018 2:20PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just had a thought. Frightening, I know...
Perhaps ZOS is simply unable to actually do this. Maybe they cannot unravel the code enough to not only separate the cosmetic from the skill line, but also independently color each character. All the skins in game are uniform when they go on. Hiding vampiric would require them to go back to each individuals creation on the skin color they choose. Something that based on how the back end of these systems work is simply unachievable by the devs.
The vampire skin is applied at the same layer as the skin cosmetics. It's actually possible to stack multiple skins on a single character, but the game was revised around DB to prevent this normally. Given you can, absolutely, suppress the vampirism visuals, right now, in game, no, we could get vampirism hiding skins in any number of ways.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just a repeat:
Genuine question, do any of those skins come from the base game initial purchase or are they all behind dungeons that require either a purchase or an eso + unlock?
Disguises are base game. Those hide it. So they work more like full costumes that also hide vampirism. Depending on when you bought the game, you may have gotten the original four DLCs bundled in as part of it (including several skins.) Alternately, you may have gotten Morrowind or Summerset each with their own included skins.
Soul Shriven requires the Imperial City to earn naturally, but you can buy that skin from guild stores, no extra purchases needed.
Finally, less likely, but you could potentially earn one of the skins during a free ESO+ weekend. So, that's a possibility.0 -
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✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »1. "even when it will be, it wont be." Horse-pucky. Why is it okay for us to walk around stage four and not be attacked? ILLUSION EXISTS, DAMN IT, BLOODY WELL USE IT.
2. "It takes valuable resources away." Again, Horse-pucky. The cosmetic boys are different then the content production boys, and I can guarentee they'll monitize it so shove off.
Translation of your post: "Stop asking for it because I dont think you should have it."
We have come to a point where people who have genuinely never given a crap about lore in their lives are using lore-friendliness to keep people from having something because they dont think they should have it. Now -that- is entitled.
Gosh, didn't you get the irony?
My post was inconsistent on a purpose to showcase the lack of solid arguments against a new skin.
I don't understand how you could miss this here:
Asking for an anti vampire skin will drain valuable ressources from the devs who could create the eleventifirst mount for the crown store and earn money. Asking for a crown skin is also bad because it would earn Zeni a lot of money.
Or did I miss yours?
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✭✭✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »Or did I miss yours?
You did not. There's a few people (in this thread) who are fanatically opposed to the idea.1 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »Or did I miss yours?
You did not. There's a few people (in this thread) who are fanatically opposed to the idea.
I thought the Doc is pro. Now I feel confused.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »1. "even when it will be, it wont be." Horse-pucky. Why is it okay for us to walk around stage four and not be attacked? ILLUSION EXISTS, DAMN IT, BLOODY WELL USE IT.
2. "It takes valuable resources away." Again, Horse-pucky. The cosmetic boys are different then the content production boys, and I can guarentee they'll monitize it so shove off.
Translation of your post: "Stop asking for it because I dont think you should have it."
We have come to a point where people who have genuinely never given a crap about lore in their lives are using lore-friendliness to keep people from having something because they dont think they should have it. Now -that- is entitled.
Gosh, didn't you get the irony?
My post was inconsistent on a purpose to showcase the lack of solid arguments against a new skin.
I don't understand how you could miss this here:
Asking for an anti vampire skin will drain valuable ressources from the devs who could create the eleventifirst mount for the crown store and earn money. Asking for a crown skin is also bad because it would earn Zeni a lot of money.
Or did I miss yours?
Honestly, no, I didn't, because it's become that much of a partisan issue, if such a thing can even be used to describe this cluster-quack.
I'm trying real hard to use something other than profanity. The point is I genuinely couldn't tell the difference, it was that meta.
You have transcended. I litterally couldn't tell the difference, IT'S LIKE MIRROR WORLD, HELP. Edited by Doctordarkspawn on August 25, 2018 2:50PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭the elder staves and vampires online.. ZOS please let them change vampire skin to normal and also give ability for staves to look like other 2H's it's such boring view to see all those identically looking horrors with identical staves all around..
as a drawback add +50% repair cost or something like that..1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »the elder staves and vampires online.. ZOS please let them change vampire skin to normal and also give ability for staves to look like other 2H's it's such boring view to see all those identically looking horrors with identical staves all around..
as a drawback add +50% repair cost or something like that..
Pfft, I'd take that. Repair cost increase? LET ME HIDE A SHIELD, I'd love to tank with a twohander.0 -
Vrany69✭✭✭First of all there should be a vampire transformation as well, same way as the werewolfs get.1
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✭✭✭✭✭Salvas_Aren wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »Or did I miss yours?
You did not. There's a few people (in this thread) who are fanatically opposed to the idea.
I thought the Doc is pro. Now I feel confused.
At this point, I can't keep track of the players without a score card on this topic.
But, yeah, Poe's Law is in full effect here.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »Or did I miss yours?
You did not. There's a few people (in this thread) who are fanatically opposed to the idea.
I thought the Doc is pro. Now I feel confused.
At this point, I can't keep track of the players without a score card on this topic.
But, yeah, Poe's Law is in full effect here.
It -really- is.
Also, the idea of a scorecard over something this petty if highly amusing. Has it become this divisive? Is this really what we, as a community, have sunk to?
I am amused and ashamed all at the same time.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Salvas_Aren wrote: »Or did I miss yours?
You did not. There's a few people (in this thread) who are fanatically opposed to the idea.
I thought the Doc is pro. Now I feel confused.
At this point, I can't keep track of the players without a score card on this topic.
But, yeah, Poe's Law is in full effect here.
It -really- is.
Also, the idea of a scorecard over something this petty if highly amusing. Has it become this divisive? Is this really what we, as a community, have sunk to?
I am amused and ashamed all at the same time.
Honestly, I'm not keeping track. So, you know, "without a score card."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »the elder staves and vampires online.. ZOS please let them change vampire skin to normal and also give ability for staves to look like other 2H's it's such boring view to see all those identically looking horrors with identical staves all around..
as a drawback add +50% repair cost or something like that..
Pfft, I'd take that. Repair cost increase? LET ME HIDE A SHIELD, I'd love to tank with a twohander.
Completely agree... i have tank a-la halfling paladin Mazzy Fentan from BG2, very short red bosmer, so normal shield will conflict with head and long hair, thanks gods ZOS, they added that Fang lair shield motif which is small enough and doesn't look like chunk of wood like barbaric and other small shields. If vampires think they are only limited in choice they are wrong..0 -
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✭✭✭✭Tbh I just hide ugly vamps behind a disguise I don’t mind the look of
Vampirism functionally is just 4 different skins, which is why applying another one will rewrite the pasty pale skin. There should be options to apply the skins of each stage of vampirism since the assets already exist
Stage two is actually pretty nice on some races (not Khajiit though, Khajiit vamps are uh...hard to make work, to say the least)1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Just a repeat:
Genuine question, do any of those skins come from the base game initial purchase or are they all behind dungeons that require either a purchase or an eso + unlock?
Disguises are base game. Those hide it. So they work more like full costumes that also hide vampirism. Depending on when you bought the game, you may have gotten the original four DLCs bundled in as part of it (including several skins.) Alternately, you may have gotten Morrowind or Summerset each with their own included skins.
Soul Shriven requires the Imperial City to earn naturally, but you can buy that skin from guild stores, no extra purchases needed.
Finally, less likely, but you could potentially earn one of the skins during a free ESO+ weekend. So, that's a possibility.
Oh, so there are readily available skins to hide vampirism already?#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Just a repeat:
Genuine question, do any of those skins come from the base game initial purchase or are they all behind dungeons that require either a purchase or an eso + unlock?
Disguises are base game. Those hide it. So they work more like full costumes that also hide vampirism. Depending on when you bought the game, you may have gotten the original four DLCs bundled in as part of it (including several skins.) Alternately, you may have gotten Morrowind or Summerset each with their own included skins.
Soul Shriven requires the Imperial City to earn naturally, but you can buy that skin from guild stores, no extra purchases needed.
Finally, less likely, but you could potentially earn one of the skins during a free ESO+ weekend. So, that's a possibility.
Oh, so there are readily available skins to hide vampirism already?
Yeah, but only one that doesn't alter your mortal or racial appearance completely. You need a quite tough DLC achievement for it.0 -
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✭I normally dont mind looking like stage 4, and most of my chars are in that stage. In the past, when I needed a break from that and wanted to remember how my char looks without it, I put on one of the quest-disguise-costumes and ran around like that for a while.
But.
From some update on (when they changed the 'hide helmet' from options into the collections section) you suddenly couldn't hide the head pieces of those costumes any more. I'm sad about that.
And (monetary aspect, zos!) I don't buy any tribal art skin decorations in crown shop, because even if it is paint that is on the skin, those look faded on vampire skin. When in reality they should look extra colorful because of the skinwhite background.PC/EU0 -
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✭Give some to get some. It's a choice. Live with it.NB enthusiastic:- Woodhippie stamblade - DW hard-hitter / PvE
- Know-it-all elf Magblade - Healer / PvE & PvP
- Hate-them-all elf Magblade - Destrostaff AoE monster / PvE
- Cyrodiil-Refugee stamblade - Stamina Tank / PvE
Go dominion or go home
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✭✭✭✭✭Olen_Mikko wrote: »Give some to get some. It's a choice. Live with it.
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Thrain✭✭✭✭Olen_Mikko wrote: »Give some to get some. It's a choice. Live with it.
Now think about Zeni using this argument to disable the reskill mechanism like its a choice. Live with it
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✭✭✭✭✭I see the wareworlf line more like a jazzed up rendition of Overload than a direct parallel to vampires.
I also don't thing they should be balanced in accordance to each other, that just leads to homogenization of gameplay and disregard for lore. Let them be utterly different and serve different roles and mechanics. I think that is a great thing. Variety. Not the same car with a different coat of paint.
I wish that too. When they monetized them as “optional” skill lines for flavor not for winning then that is what made them become the same car in two different paint jobs. You can’t sell a Honda and a Jaguar at the same price. Unless it’s an old ugly veiny pale unfashionable Jaguar.
They monetized them as a pair they need to be balanced as a pair.
Right now please tell the build makers and the FOTM chasers that Vampire and Weewolf are equal? No lol we all know that vamp is a clear advantage in passive stats and skills.
Edit: or show me a year long history of WW being recommended as a “must-have” for PVE by the community. Vampire has been “must have” for the number chasers for a long long time.
FoTM has people making 40-50k light attack werewolf builds.
As for the monetization by Zeni, I know they are on the market, but I don't even know people that have paid for a bite in game in forever, let alone buying one from the Crown Store. I believe that is a moot point.
Are these 40k light attack builds for pve? I’d love to see that! I’m still in the position of “don’t you dare wolf out on us in this dungeon fearing all the adds I gathered.” If I can see people using ww effectively in pve the way vampire is almost mandatory in pve then I concede that point. And yes pve because let’s face it, like it or not this game is a majority pve game.
It’s not a moot point unfortunately. People do buy them. Here is a thread from 2017 that was necro’d in June of this year to reply that people still buy them from the store.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/329280/just-remove-the-vamp-and-ww-bites-from-crown-store/
Once again, I’m not against vampires looking normal. I’m concerned that it would finally tip the scales over and every magicka build will HAVE to be a vampire. That’s the way the community feels already. Even if it’s a dumb balance to make them “ugly” that is the balance Zos is using. Now if Zos wants to actually balance vampire in the stats area and on the same day let them look normal then that would be a fair and equitable compromise. And yes, again it needs to be compromise and balance with werewolf for the reasons I outlined above (can’t be both, monetized and advertised as two sides of a flavor coin).#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭✭✭✭✭SilverPaws wrote: »SilverPaws wrote: »
If you want to be a Vampire, you're going to look like a Vampire. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be a Vampire. I don't care about what choice you make. What i care about is people accepting the outcome of their choice.
I don't like the look either, so i choose not to be a Vampire and i live without the passives.
Its very simple.
Your arguments are ridiculous.
Why you care about how people want they're vampire characters to look ?
As you said you don't have vampire character so i don't see reason why you should comment here about it.
Because being a Vampire is a physical Affliction. It is a Curse, a Disease, it is not just some passives in a skill tree, you are a Monster, and this particular Monster does not look like any other normal being. This isn't just some armor piece that can hide under a costume that you can take off and put back on willy nilly, Vampirism and Lycanthropy both serious life altering conditions for your Characters that they must live with if they remain afflicted.
Do you think people with Psoriasis can just magically vanish their scarred skin away just cause they don't like the look? And diseases like that don't even provide any benefits to your life. At least in this game your character gets to have advantageous skills and passive abilities over others at the cost of pasty skin and bloodshot eyes.As you said you don't have vampire character so i don't see reason why you should comment here about it.
It's not a good thing to shut out the opposition. If you want something you must fight for it with reason, knowledge, and compromise. Definitely not by telling people who oppose you, "If you don't support us then go away".
I know what vampirism is and yes vampire can hide they're appearance even in eso, we can see that it's possible.
You can say what you want, but you didn't provided any argument why vampires could not alter they're appearance with magic.
Ive already made that point in Aliyavana's thread about this.
Verandis could hide his Vampirism through Illusion Magic because he was a talented High Elf, and even then he didnt hold his Illusion indefinitely. As much as people want to believe casting Magic in Tamriel is not an easy feat. It takes immense talent and concentration to perform complex spells, which Illusion Magic is one of. How are all the Stamina Vampires in the game supposed to suddenly know advanced Illusion Magic? And how are they supposed to keep that Illusion up permanently if all they know how to do is chuck their BattleAxe at people in Cyrodiil?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭Nothing a good foundation and a bit of practice with some make-up would not solve for most female vampires!
Male ones may have to resort to more learning and getting a lot of sideways glances or the mentioned illusion magic!
Edited by Gythral on August 25, 2018 8:02PM“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
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Let's face it if ZOS decided to add a toggle, pretty much every vampire user will be very happy while these "muh immersion" or "you deserve it" types will not give a *** and will forget everything about it a day later. But hey you gotta argue for the sake of arguing. Same thing before transmogs were added by ZOS and everyone either was happy or just didn't care.1
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MooseKnuckles88✭✭✭✭Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »There are so many outfits that i have to hard pass on with my vampire because he looks so damn ugly. I have never understood why you make players choose between sitting at stage 4 to have the most benefits from their passives, but look ugly as sin, or force us to remain at stage 1 or cure ourselves just so we don't look like a horribly bloated pasty sausage.
This has been the biggest reason why I've never chose to be a vampire in this game, not because of the additional damage that can accrue, but looking like something out of the living dead. Not worth it to me looking at my character everyday like that lol0
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