Yeah that's exactly the reason why healers aren't needed. I'm not sure where they got the notion it's because of shields.

In easy dungeons, most end game players have self heals and know the mechanics well enough to do without a healer.

In hard dungeons, most mechanics that are group killers are better off avoided or even skipped through higher DPS.

I honestly don't get the whole 'healers aren't needed' thing going around. Do DDs seriously not want Major Courage, Ele Drain, Shards/Orbs, Combat Prayer, Warhorn, off-balance, purges and the opportunity NOT to spam shield every 10 seconds in the knowledge that someone's got your back? Do tanks seriously want to play a resource management minigame, have virtually no synergies to proc their precious Alkosh, and have to Magma Shell on cooldown just to stay alive? I'm not talking 4-key pledges, here. Unless there is a specific restrictive mechanic that perma-stuns, all of them without exception can be soloed by a skilled player. By this logic, no roles are necessary - just one guy who can kill everything while not dying.

The REAL reason healers aren't considered desirable (in DLChm dungeons) is because the other 2 DDs on the team are not good enough and need a 3rd guy to do job they should be doing as 2. In my experience, the guys who say 'we don't need a healer' are almost without exception sub-30k DDs who don't benefit noticeably from a skilled healer's buffs because they only amplify the DDs damage by a percentage of its base value. Skilled DDs enjoy playing to their full potential with the support of a healer, and skilled tanks enjoy the synergetic relationship they have with a healer.

I absolutely agree that there are too many 1-shots and not enough pressurizing DoTs in 4-player content, but this doesn't mean that running with a healer doesn't make for a smoother and more satisfying experience in the content we have available to us- provided the DDs deal enough damage to pull their weight.

ezio45 wrote: »

Ok the new class rep report says that healer dont feel necessary because of shields, I dont think this is entirely actuate.

The real reason that healers arnt needed is that an overwhelming amount of mechanics are focused around avoiding the damage or being completely one shot. This applies to every newer dlc dungeon.

Its either dont stand here or hold block for this and if you dont your dead. There isnt much a healer can do about someone standing in stupid.

They can still give major courage.

I think dungeon size makes healers less important. The fact that hardmodes can be easier with three dps is a reason healers don't feel needed in endgame. If some dungeons were made 6 man additional dps would become less valuable so healers could become needed again.

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

A healer's healing job is to keep guys topped off at 100%, so they can barely survive the one shot, and also to give them the SPC buff (if that's what you're still running for Major Courage).

But yes, there's a lot less healing to do than in other games, shields are only a small part of the reason, and self-heals aren't the biggest reason either.

There's also almost no purging to do, because most of the dangerous DoTs and other conditions are unpurgeable.

Only a tank at 100% can “barely survive” a 1-shot mechanic. The point of 1 shot mechanics is that they can’t be survived or mitigated, only avoided. 1 shot mechanics are the reason no one needs a healer. Just don’t get 1shot. Easy to do by either burning the boss down before that mechanic kicks in or dodging it.

I watched the official Wolfhunter stream and I couldn’t for the life of me figure out how they came up with those fights. You do not need a healer or a tank what you need is 4 self healing dds with high resistances and plenty of stamina. They do not design encounters effectively.

The Engine Guardian needs a healer.
Reggr Dark-dawn in FG 2 needs a healer and a tank.
Dranos Velador needs either a healer or a tank.

It’s the design of the dungeons that makes healers useless. Nothing to do with shields or magnbs or whatever else.

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LioraValkyrie wrote: »

I honestly don't get the whole 'healers aren't needed' thing going around. Do DDs seriously not want Major Courage, Ele Drain, Shards/Orbs, Combat Prayer, Warhorn, off-balance, purges and the opportunity NOT to spam shield every 10 seconds in the knowledge that someone's got your back?

It's not that DDs don't want those things, it's that when you have 3 skilled max CP DDs and a tank, you're burning through bosses so fast that orbs/shards/off-balance just simply aren't needed. You wouldn't be spamming shield every 10 seconds because the boss won't even be alive that long. I don't see people with <30k dps talking about how they don't need a healer, personally. This is real end-game stuff.

Also you can run dungeons with 3 stamDDs or with DKs/NBs/Templars without shields.

The argument around healers not being needed screams scapegoat.

Instead of healing it would be good if healers had better pro-active skills, like strong shields, to help team survive strong boss AOE's etc, so viable tactics would be....

"C'mon guys, it's ok to stand in stupid. I got your back with strong shields and strong mitigation buffs"...

One example is vet Tempest island last boss, or engine guardian. Instead of moving away when the strong AOE is coming, a pro-active healer would apply strong shields and mitigation on the team so dps, and tank can carry on without moving out of stupid, losing dps.


If healers hade more pro-active skills than reactive they would probably be more useful in groups.

Then a good healer who know's the mechanics of the fight, know's when to apply those short strong shields and buffs.