Of course BG is a failure, what else would you expect.

It is 4 man teams, so when you have small teams in PvP games that means things like differences in skill, experience, pre-made / solo queue, etc have far more impact, now in well designed successful PvP that problem is handled by having good matchmaking systems, either no classes or very fixed classes/roles so balancing matches is easier and a large pool of players, ESO fails on all those points.

And really that should not come as a surprise, they added it to a game 3 years in, where most of the PvP playerbase has left, and most of what remains of the PvP playerbase are not really competitive players in any meaningful sense (even those that think they are), so the player pool for BG was always going to be small, then add it was initially restricted to Morrowind only and its launch was a clusterf**k of bugs/issues (some of which still exist) then really it was doomed to nothing else other than a tiny playerbase.

If they wanted to add smaller PvP to a game like ESO then they should of either gone really small (2v2) so they could have serperate queues for duos, solos, but filling them and matchmaking would obviously be much easier than 4v4v4. (let's not even go into the joke that they made it a 3-way or how it is so badly designed there is often no incentive to attack the strongest team) or they should of gone the other direction and gone for 12vs12 or something, designed something with longish matches, no deathmatch, go with conquest or something to split those players and that way people could still queue as a 4 man, but have less impact in a match.

BG's in ESO are a tour de force of ineptitude, the outcome of which is they will continue to die as they are not fit-for-purpose for anyone who genuinely wants good PvP.

I enjoy BGs... unexpectedly and more than I enjoy Cyrodiil.

1. I don't get why the MMR is here though. Should be removed.
2. I don't give a s--- about outfit pages or whatever reward.
3. Improved queueing can improve BG's A LOT.

And yeah, you're supposed to be the guy responsible for this. So:

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Thanks in advance.

callen4492 wrote: »

As much complaining as there is about pre-mades on this forum, I think there would be far more complaining if they took away groups in bg’s. I enjoy playing with my friends and would be incredibly disappointed if they took that away from bg’s.

Got a solution for you:

Join a guild or make some BG friends and make your own pre-made. Otherwise, don’t complain.

And I got a solution for you:

They do two separate queues for premade and random, so you and your friends can go play against other friends and won't be incredibly disappointed (maybe), isn't nice?

While me and the other lot wasting time in there to get the motifs that will drop duplicate and invisible can have real random situations.

At any rate, since I like cyrodiil and not bg and I only go there for the motifs, I want to clarify I don't give a damn about premade most of the times compared to the issue of these motifs available only in there, dropping doubles, split in weights and not even allowed to be traded (this for @ZOS).

callen4492 wrote: »

As much complaining as there is about pre-mades on this forum, I think there would be far more complaining if they took away groups in bg’s. I enjoy playing with my friends and would be incredibly disappointed if they took that away from bg’s.

Got a solution for you:

Join a guild or make some BG friends and make your own pre-made. Otherwise, don’t complain.

This.

1) My Gf & friends play battleground just for fun we have together, also depending on the different type of match ( capture the relic, domination etc.).
In every online game people with direct comunication have advantage, this is nothing new. Make friends and get a microphone or don't complain.

2)

Not only does it only give you a scrap of a piece of an outfit page

I have no problem with it, it is only aesthetic, and it doesn't have light/medium/heavy options.

And if you happen to get rewarded a page you already have, you just get nothing, it doesn't show any page rewards at all.

I have never tried, if it’s true, I agree with your complaint.

3) I've rarely had a bugged match; more often the problem turned out to be the players themselves. I think that the 15 min deserter penalty is good, otherwise a lot of people would leave the team that is losing or because of the low-level teammates .

People spend half an hour to an hour getting into an actualy BG match due to glitched group creator

Rarely half an hour, but I agree, it needs to be fixed

itza failure cos premades

This is the reason why we need a tournament PVP Arenas teams or solo. The Queue would be fast and simple for a for a tournament bracket of eight all the way up to a bracket of 64 sol,o but teams I say bracket of eight teams.

I agree they should make separate queing and ratings system for pre-mades. It's not fun really isn't. It forces you to run certain specs and certain builds and dudes are gonna have their immovable pots and yada yada. Nobody wants that drama. Put some gear on duke it out in a pug rinse and repeat. That's fun.

I get that people want to ramp it up. Art of war and all. But I think what the op says about the majority of players liking pug style is key here. Its not functional or fun as is. Except to the few.

Its definitely a stretch, because BGs are close to being good. The gameplay aspect nearly fine now, its the behind the scenes things that needs urgent changes.

Gameplay I would change:

• Flag games: Flags flip at even speeds not on numbers, flags only go to white when contested no matter number, i.e. even with 3 - 2 people it'd go only to white rather in favor of the higher. This is as there is currently no point in defence since a full team would just sit and run even if they can't kill you. It incentives actual keeping and fighting over flags, now if you do it you lose out.
• Deathmatch: Change what constitutes a kill. Kill stealing in my eyes seems fine, but the way wrath works is problematic.
• CTR: Little bit needs to be changed with interrupts, maybe but a stacking debuff around the relic area so camping on it isn't as liked, though you can still defend by going in/out and perimitering.

The meta things I would change are:

• MMR,
• Split premades,
• Queue bugs
• The motif tables. As said, the tables still hold the learned ones but it doesn't show them, so you end up with diminishing drops. This is awful and near imposible to get since they are bound, and you have to roll through all the other ones you already have. There also needs to be a massive increase to the daily drops too.

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I really think the entire issue would be solved by just abolishing MMR and throwing you into a BG with the quickest random players available, no matter a "skill rating".

Yeah, that's how it launched. People moaned, wanted mmr. Got mmr. People moan.

Beardimus wrote: »

CyberSkooma wrote: »

I really think the entire issue would be solved by just abolishing MMR and throwing you into a BG with the quickest random players available, no matter a "skill rating".

Yeah, that's how it launched. People moaned, wanted mmr. Got mmr. People moan.

Never really had a problem before except premades. But now the MMR system is endless, so its really hard to find people of your own MMR and queues are super long, Also since I play nearly only BGs I have an incredibly high MMR, so am always put with premades who have inflated MMRs.

Big no from me on completely random groups. MMR could be enhanced maybe, but it is good to have a system that levels the ground m, especially for new players and casuals. I could imagine though splitting the queuing system in two and allow only solo or FULL groups to queue.

Style pages - nothing new here, with every release ZOS increases the amount on grind on these items (see Welkynar in vCR too). It has reached a disgusting level.

All Group Finder queue systems are buggy and flawed, much improvement needed urgently. For example there should not need to drop everyone back to the queue if 1 out 12 fails the ready check.