@ManDraKE , in this case, the voices calling against Shuffle is louder because many other random buffs/debuffs are more of a choice. Here, two things overlapped: dubious usefulness of Evasion, and the fact that it's slapped as strategy-defining skill for medium armor line (and a lot of people - myself included - already bemoaning that in PvE, stamina melee in medium armor is so much less survivable than light-armored magicka). While light armor actually gets shield used both in PvP and PvE, medium armor gets a skill that nobody bothers to slot in PvE at least, on top of the fact that medium armor user usually gets more incoming damage. Hence the heat around the subject.

@ManDraKE , so, you feel that right now the game is balanced, do you? I'm not sure whether they're overreacting or you're not seeing other parts of the picture. Likely both, in fact. In fact you said it yourself - you don't do a lot of PvE.

And right you are, melee is always more dangerous. That's the point. Right now, melee (= medium armor, with some exceptions) is both more dangerous, and has fewer defensive abilities, since unlike with light armor, medium armor's defining skill is useless in PvE. If you have ideas on how to make melee more rewarding and sought after in endgame (without making it more survivable, since you're against it), feel free to share ideas. Let's be constructive, shall we.

And, sorry, it's overly simplified look at PvE. It's not about dummy fights. Avoiding or mitigating damage is a thing in PvE too; survival is a thing. But in fact, I think you're starting to confuse Evasion and Shuffle. The snare removal is irrelevant to the discussion; it's the Evasion that is the focus of the problem.

> Shuffle is a PvP skill and should be balanced as such

Shuffle is a medium armor skill. Sorry, but medium armor is not a PvP exclusive thing.

@ManDraKE , there is a degree of truth to that, but only a small degree. It's true that in group content, there is a role separation - it is like that by design, so healers provide healing and buffs, tank takes a lot of damage and concerned most with survival and least with damage; damage dealers are concentrating more on damage than being a universal combat machines with full set of utility and self-buffing functions. That's what roles are made for.

But that's about where it ends. Easier non-DLC dungeons may be strictly what you're describing, but in more difficult content, it's not as simplified as "tank holds boss, healers keep everyone alive, damage dealers do damage and sidestep or block each time scripted event kicks in". There is always great degree of randomness, damage floating around, trolls heave rocks, gargoyles stomp inside the crowd and healers don't have negate timely - I can't even start going over all the cases; and of course survivability must be in place to recover from potential wipes. My observations are very different from yours; most damage dealers run some heals (stamina almost universally slots Vigor). I have seen endless number of times how, on the verge of wipe, last standing sorc DD brings shields up and resurrects the team, or someone pops vigor and kites the boss until there's a good moment to recover. I'm not sure if that was fixed already, but wings go a long way in Mazzatun where they reflect poisonous spits in a chaotic and wipe-prone fight. I've slotted Corrosive Armor numerous time on harder fights where damage's flying around - it's invaluable, to have eleven seconds of god mode to start resurrecting people.

So, yes, in newer and harder content, people have to run some utility and heals to survive. Read on about vMoS HM, damage dealers run resto staves backbarred to have survivability. So yes, answering your question, to some degree it does translate to PvE, nothing as simple and mechanical as you may see it. And stamina is currently is at disadvantage, because if you're stamina DD in PvE endgame, you're a liability to healer. If it was about following mechanics, stamina would be feeling much better, but no, active survival skill does matter in PvE. I have a feeling that PvP-exclusive people see PvE as a bunch of scripted mechanical steps: learn them, do enough damage by properly clicking buttons, and you're immortal and guaranteed high scores. Well, no. We're far from the point where individual survival skills would stop mattering in PvE.

P.S.: Oh, and I'll say it - snare removal isn't needed in vet Maelstrom. There, I said it. I run it, and I never ever slotted Shuffle. So, no need to measure endgame by arena alone.