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Gold making (PS4 NA) - a new player's experience
Pertinkus
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Hey all
I started playing 2 months ago. Just hit 1000k gold plus a 300k home. Really just selling stuff I have obtained through drops and gathering. Not yet crafting to try and make profit.
My question is twofold; I see people in game begging for 3000g for respecs for example, but given my experience I can't see how people can not have excess gold in game. Can anyone offer some insight into this?
Leading on from the above question, given how easy it appears to earn gold is it too easy or should there be more gold sinks?
Thanks in advance!
I started playing 2 months ago. Just hit 1000k gold plus a 300k home. Really just selling stuff I have obtained through drops and gathering. Not yet crafting to try and make profit.
My question is twofold; I see people in game begging for 3000g for respecs for example, but given my experience I can't see how people can not have excess gold in game. Can anyone offer some insight into this?
Leading on from the above question, given how easy it appears to earn gold is it too easy or should there be more gold sinks?
Thanks in advance!
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pauli133✭✭✭✭✭
✭My question is twofold; I see people in game begging for 3000g for respecs for example, but given my experience I can't see how people can not have excess gold in game. Can anyone offer some insight into this?
It doesn't matter how easy it easy to earn gold (and it really is easy) - there is a certain fraction of the population that is always going to beg, mooch, or grift for it. It's just human nature.5 -
BomblePants✭✭✭✭✭
✭But.... I haven’t found it easy to make gold.... I mean, I make gold but not that much..... I don’t think I’ve even gotten above £30,000.....
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some insight?
Other players don’t play like you do. Here’s an anecdote from my own experience.
For the first year playing the game, I had one character. My game activities focused solely on overland questing and no group content. I was in a guild with a trader, but didn’t really use it because it just seemed like a way to store excess inventory (I had no ESO+ either). Since I was interested in crafting, I deconned almost all gear I picked up. The only gold I made was basically from questing. I never had more than 100k at any given time, and any gold I made would get burned on bank and inventory space for crafting materials. I also liked having customized outfits, so I would buy motifs and use crafted gear to control my appearance. Both motifs and materials were ungodly expensive. I never respecced either because it was too expensive and gold was too hard to come by. I never bought a horse for the same reason. It was expensive, and functionally pointless to me.
So yeah, it is NOT easy to earn gold, and many players do NOT have it in excess. The only reason things are different for me now is because I joined a *real* trading guild that showed me how to make gold through ledgermain activites. That said, I don’t beleive in farming and still mostly do solo questing. ESO+ enables me to hoard crafting mats and sell the excess on market like I could not before... and I know the going rate for them better. Apparently I’m still poor by the standards of this forum. *shrug*Edited by Starlock on August 19, 2018 1:17PM9 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
Most of my fortune came from potion reagents, perfect roe, and raw/refined crafting mats.
Edited to add: I've probably spent twice my current gold (4 mil) over again buying motifs and housing stuff, so being patient and waiting for stuff to drop in price is another way to make/keep your money.Edited by VaranisArano on August 19, 2018 1:13PM0 -
Pertinkus✭✭I meant to say in my initial post that maybe within 1 week of starting I joined a trading guild, and 4 weeks after starting joined a fees based trading guild. Whenever I get a drop that maybe I've seen people talking in game chat about (mother's sorrow comes to mind) I'll check prices and sell. I fairly quickly found tamriel trade, and whilst it only has PC trade prices it gives one a guide.
I wish I knew how easily gold pours in; I would not have bought Ravenhurst but would have waited for Gardner House. Although having said that, now I shall try and follow my own advice, be patient, and wait till I can afford Daggerfall Overlook.0 -
Pertinkus✭✭Varanis agree completely. I played WoW for some time and enjoyed the AH meta. But was always happy to make a killing in gold and sell then use whatever it was for myself when prices were reasonable. All things jewellery crafting strike me like that in this game currently. Grey rings for 500g - grey intricate rings for 3000g!0
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
Edited by Starlock on August 19, 2018 1:23PM1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
Heh, I made my fortune because some kind guildmate of mine sent me some Columbine Is been selling back to me, and said, "So, you know this sells for more than 20g? You should maybe try master merchant."
I owe my fortune to that guy. Before that, I was vendoring ingots to make money
But I suspect most of my reagent sales don't go to the people who are just questing and playing the game. The people who actually use crafted potions in bulk are PVPers and end-game PVEers. Those are people who may not have the time to farm or enjoy farming the way I do, but their demand for potions for their content is pretty high.
Or to put it another way, on a leveling character where I just quested, I wound up with 30-40k by level 50. I can usually make that much a day with an hour or two of farming for raw mats to sell.Edited by VaranisArano on August 19, 2018 1:54PM1 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
how do the rich folks make their gold on the backs of the poor ?
if youre poor in this game it is because you choose to be. it is so easy to sell and make gold in this game that it honestly confuses me when i see posts from people saying they cant make gold.
i rarely farm. i go trader to trader and buy low and sell high. or if there is a hot item i will farm for it. i made my original money on low level blue recipes. i was looking to complete them and noticed that the hard to find ones were worth a good chunk of gold. so i made 5 alt characters and put one skill point in recipe improvement and did the crafting writs on them every day. i started getting the low level recipes and selling them, and went from there.
i am in 14 trading guilds now. i am not filthy rich but anything i want i just go buy it . this wasnt accomplished on the backs of anyone but me going and getting what i want. its not hard.
you can either play for complete immersion and be poor, or farm a little or buy cheap in zone chat and resell, it is not hard.
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Pertinkus✭✭Well said Xilf. I'm not sure either what Starlock meant by making gold off of the backs of the poor. Essentially the game spews out resources - just a matter of discerning which are in demand and selling them. Good for the folks who want to make a few gold, good for the folks who buy and whose priorities in game are not around seeking various resources.1
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SickleCider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Making gold isn't the issue--holding onto it is the real challenge. I'm always buying things from the guild stores, so my balance fluctuates wildly. I have that same kind of impaired impulse control in real life.
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xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭Versispellis wrote: »Making gold isn't the issue--holding onto it is the real challenge. I'm always buying things from the guild stores, so my balance fluctuates wildly. I have that same kind of impaired impulse control in real life.
agreeeeeeeeeeeed
i'll sign in and have 1.2 million, and two hours later i'll have 30k.
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
how do the rich folks make their gold on the backs of the poor ?
if youre poor in this game it is because you choose to be. it is so easy to sell and make gold in this game that it honestly confuses me when i see posts from people saying they cant make gold.
It really isn’t that easy. The game never teaches you at any point that the only way to make gold ‘easily’ is to get it from other players via trading. Maybe you had someone teach you from the start because you did social stuff in the game but for those of us who didn’t, you don’t know this stuff. On xbox recently we’ve had a few events that brought in many new players. I see them ask stuff like ‘where do I sell fish’ and what the point of perfect roe is. They don’t know the guild system, nor the crafting system. They lack the cash flow to afford the dues of the better trading guilds (or any dues at all), and don’t have giant stashes of mats to do writs or sell. They probably don’t know about ledgermain either and to make that really work you need that skill line maxed.
The way this game is set up, it takes money to make money... and you must have a good trader. It takes knowledge not provided in-game (like many things in this game, actually). Not at all what I would call easy, but I guess if you started off with the privelage of a trader and the needed knowledge, you’d have never gone through the experiences many of us have had.Edited by Starlock on August 19, 2018 5:44PM1 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
how do the rich folks make their gold on the backs of the poor ?
if youre poor in this game it is because you choose to be. it is so easy to sell and make gold in this game that it honestly confuses me when i see posts from people saying they cant make gold.
It really isn’t that easy. The game never teaches you at any point that the only way to make gold ‘easily’ is to get it from other players via trading. Maybe you had someone teach you from the start because you did social stuff in the game but for those of us who didn’t, you don’t know this stuff. On xbox recently we’ve had a few events that brought in many new players. I see them ask stuff like ‘where do I sell fish’ and what the point of perfect roe is. They don’t know the guild system, nor the crafting system. They lack the cash flow to afford the dues of the better trading guilds (or any dues at all), and don’t have giant stashes of mats to do writs or sell. They probably don’t know about ledgermain either and to make that really work you need that skill line maxed.
The way this game is set up, it takes money to make money... and you must have a good trader. It takes knowledge not provided in-game (like many things in this game, actually). Not at all what I would call easy, but I guess if you started off with the privelage of a trader and the needed knowledge, you’d have never gone through the experiences many of us have had.
when i first started playing, i had never played another mmo aside from defiance. me and my four friends didnt know jack squat about the game. when i first found out that stealing was encouraged, i did nothing but that for over a month.
all a new person has to do is look at any guild trader or multiple or pay attention to area chat and they will see what is in demand.
you mention the guild system and the crafting system --- both have pop ups that tell you about them when you first start them.
dont get me wrong, when youre first starting this game there is a vast learning curve, but it only takes a few hours of watching the text chat while youre playing to see what it is demand.
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
how do the rich folks make their gold on the backs of the poor ?
if youre poor in this game it is because you choose to be. it is so easy to sell and make gold in this game that it honestly confuses me when i see posts from people saying they cant make gold.
It really isn’t that easy. The game never teaches you at any point that the only way to make gold ‘easily’ is to get it from other players via trading. Maybe you had someone teach you from the start because you did social stuff in the game but for those of us who didn’t, you don’t know this stuff. On xbox recently we’ve had a few events that brought in many new players. I see them ask stuff like ‘where do I sell fish’ and what the point of perfect roe is. They don’t know the guild system, nor the crafting system. They lack the cash flow to afford the dues of the better trading guilds (or any dues at all), and don’t have giant stashes of mats to do writs or sell. They probably don’t know about ledgermain either and to make that really work you need that skill line maxed.
The way this game is set up, it takes money to make money... and you must have a good trader. It takes knowledge not provided in-game (like many things in this game, actually). Not at all what I would call easy, but I guess if you started off with the privelage of a trader and the needed knowledge, you’d have never gone through the experiences many of us have had.
when i first started playing, i had never played another mmo aside from defiance. me and my four friends didnt know jack squat about the game. when i first found out that stealing was encouraged, i did nothing but that for over a month.
all a new person has to do is look at any guild trader or multiple or pay attention to area chat and they will see what is in demand.
you mention the guild system and the crafting system --- both have pop ups that tell you about them when you first start them.
dont get me wrong, when youre first starting this game there is a vast learning curve, but it only takes a few hours of watching the text chat while youre playing to see what it is demand.
I think the experience is different on PC. When I first started on xbox, there was no zone chat. Well, there was, but it was audio only. As someone coming into the game to quest and role play, the hell if I was going go step into zone chat all the time. When text chat did come out, it is off by default in console. I had no interest in socializing, so I never saw this stuff you talk about here. I don’t remember any pop up about guilds either, but again, as someone not interested in multiplayer at that time, I wouldn’t have paid any attention to it. The only reason I got in a guild early on was someone spammed random invites at the Vulkiel Guard town. This weird thing popped up on my screen, and I went... uh.... accept? I guess? xD
So yeah, basically I got zero income from players. And didn’t abuse ledgermain. If you don’t trade to other players and don’t do ledgermain, your income is paltry. Mobs drop hardly any gold, quest rewards for gold scale to your level (and still do in spite of One Tamriel, which is kinda stupid) and are ~600g tops, and vendoring items is maybe 80g. It’s rough.Edited by Starlock on August 19, 2018 6:07PM0 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey all
I started playing 2 months ago. Just hit 1000k gold plus a 300k home. Really just selling stuff I have obtained through drops and gathering. Not yet crafting to try and make profit.
My question is twofold; I see people in game begging for 3000g for respecs for example, but given my experience I can't see how people can not have excess gold in game. Can anyone offer some insight into this?
Leading on from the above question, given how easy it appears to earn gold is it too easy or should there be more gold sinks?
Thanks in advance!
The problem with this game in regard to making gold is that it is basically focused on selling at a guild trader and nothing else, which is a problem when many players have zero interest in playing shop keeper or they play intermittently so get kicked from most trade guilds.
Compare it to say Guild Wars 2, now sure the way to earn the most money in that is also playing shopkeeper/trader on the auction house, but the level of gold you earn from say just playing PvP (think battlegrounds) is much better than in ESO (where again you have to go play shopkeeper and go sell stuff), then even when you want to sell stuff in GW2 it is a much more pleasant convenient experience for those not interested in playing shopkeeper, because you just shove on it the AH (straight to buy orders if you want).Edited by Sylosi on August 19, 2018 8:15PM1 -
Pertinkus✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
how do the rich folks make their gold on the backs of the poor ?
if youre poor in this game it is because you choose to be. it is so easy to sell and make gold in this game that it honestly confuses me when i see posts from people saying they cant make gold.
It really isn’t that easy. The game never teaches you at any point that the only way to make gold ‘easily’ is to get it from other players via trading. Maybe you had someone teach you from the start because you did social stuff in the game but for those of us who didn’t, you don’t know this stuff. On xbox recently we’ve had a few events that brought in many new players. I see them ask stuff like ‘where do I sell fish’ and what the point of perfect roe is. They don’t know the guild system, nor the crafting system. They lack the cash flow to afford the dues of the better trading guilds (or any dues at all), and don’t have giant stashes of mats to do writs or sell. They probably don’t know about ledgermain either and to make that really work you need that skill line maxed.
The way this game is set up, it takes money to make money... and you must have a good trader. It takes knowledge not provided in-game (like many things in this game, actually). Not at all what I would call easy, but I guess if you started off with the privelage of a trader and the needed knowledge, you’d have never gone through the experiences many of us have had.
But that's the essence to my original question in a sense. I started 2 months ago with nil ESO experience. Played for a couple of days, then did some (brief!) reading online to find out what I should know. Two months later i have over a million gold. So by my experience, there is no barrier to entry and participation due to lack of knowledge ("new players") as I experienced it. Thoughts?0 -
lagrue✭✭✭✭✭
✭The goals you take on can become massive gold sinks throughout the game. I make on average 80k through regular play a day, (having a bunch of characters for writs is a big profit driver) but also burn through just as much. Gold is always useful.
Becoming a master crafter (nirnhoned especially), learning motifs, buying and furning multiple houses (hell I even have a full guild hall with crafting stations etc.) are all very costly things that eat up my gold and are just a fraction of my total expenses.Edited by lagrue on August 20, 2018 3:57AM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"0 -
lagrue✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hey all
I started playing 2 months ago. Just hit 1000k gold plus a 300k home. Really just selling stuff I have obtained through drops and gathering. Not yet crafting to try and make profit.
My question is twofold; I see people in game begging for 3000g for respecs for example, but given my experience I can't see how people can not have excess gold in game. Can anyone offer some insight into this?
Leading on from the above question, given how easy it appears to earn gold is it too easy or should there be more gold sinks?
Thanks in advance!
The problem with this game in regard to making gold is that it is basically focused on selling at a guild trader and nothing else.
Wrong. And with any luck I'm about to change your in-game life. There is a secret. It's not even a secret. It's called writs.
Now hear me out, what I'm about to propose does take some initial investment time - but once that time is put in, you have a permanent income.
By default the game gives you 8 character slots to play with. You can buy 7 more. The 7 are optional but will boost your income substantially but at the cost of real life financial investment. Now the big time investment will be getting 8 (or 15) characters to level 50. Once they're 50, they all come with a free skill respec, so if you only want them as a writ slave, you can take back the skill points they got from 0-50 and dump it all in the 7 crafting trees. These guys don't need to worry about research or anything, just have 1 main crafter for that, and these guys at the most basic to craft cp 160 stuff for writs.
Each character makes 4.6k a day from writs. If you can get the 8 characters to level 50, you're making a minimum income of 36.8k a day. If you have the extra character slots, your new minimum income is 69k flat.
Now I understand the intial setup is a daunting task, it could take a couple months easily, but realistically the longterm payoff making 37-69k a day for roughly 40 min of work is awesome. You can even do it on days you don't have so much time to play, and it's also easily maintained since writs drop surveys and therefore pay for themselves, in a sense. You will have to top up mats from time to time, but it's a sustainable income and requires absolutely no guild traders.
It can also have other unexpected profits via the vessels from writs as well.
Trust me when I say legitimate labour in ESO is actually profitable.
Edited by lagrue on August 20, 2018 4:14AM"You must defeat me every time. I need defeat you only once"2 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
how do the rich folks make their gold on the backs of the poor ?
if youre poor in this game it is because you choose to be. it is so easy to sell and make gold in this game that it honestly confuses me when i see posts from people saying they cant make gold.
It really isn’t that easy. The game never teaches you at any point that the only way to make gold ‘easily’ is to get it from other players via trading. Maybe you had someone teach you from the start because you did social stuff in the game but for those of us who didn’t, you don’t know this stuff. On xbox recently we’ve had a few events that brought in many new players. I see them ask stuff like ‘where do I sell fish’ and what the point of perfect roe is. They don’t know the guild system, nor the crafting system. They lack the cash flow to afford the dues of the better trading guilds (or any dues at all), and don’t have giant stashes of mats to do writs or sell. They probably don’t know about ledgermain either and to make that really work you need that skill line maxed.
The way this game is set up, it takes money to make money... and you must have a good trader. It takes knowledge not provided in-game (like many things in this game, actually). Not at all what I would call easy, but I guess if you started off with the privelage of a trader and the needed knowledge, you’d have never gone through the experiences many of us have had.
But that's the essence to my original question in a sense. I started 2 months ago with nil ESO experience. Played for a couple of days, then did some (brief!) reading online to find out what I should know. Two months later i have over a million gold. So by my experience, there is no barrier to entry and participation due to lack of knowledge ("new players") as I experienced it. Thoughts?
I think my point still stands that the game itself definitely does not teach you how to make gold. I’d call that a barrier. Not everyone researches games they play, and even in an mmo, not everyone socializes in them either. That was me for basically a year.
Some of the guildies I chat with abut this stuff have similar stories. No clue how to make gold unless someone else shows them. Word of mouth, researching online, having text chat enabled... without one of those things it isn’t intuitive. Actually, scratch text chat. On xbox at least it is a terrible reference for sales and scammers are frequent.
Making all this more intuitive is something ZoS could stand to improve, though I don’t know what that would look like. You see lots of threads about global auction houses around here. Something like that would have been obvious to me. Intuitive. The guild trader system is... not so much. It didn’t help that when I was first using traders - looking at what they had - the search functions were terrible (like, even worse than it is now if you can imagine) and nobody sold any gear for my level. I dismissed guild traders as useless because I was not max VR and could not afford anything in them anyway. The market and traders were (and to an extent still are) for level capped players, not new ones... or that was the impression anyway.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Currently I'm less than 80 furnitures plans away from knowing them all. With that said, if I didn't have a goal of knowing them all, I would definitely have over 25-30mil banked. Whether you have/make gold or not is a matter of priorities. In this case, a good use of time is my priority; I know I can make gold and buy a given plan faster than it would take me to farm it.ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.0 -
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✭✭Yep, gold is real easy to make - my first million was done without any trading, just questing, hoarding, selling excess stuff to NPC traders - didn't even resort to stealing. Made my own armour/weapons, food, potions, glyphs, etc., so no need to spend any money.
Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.0 -
Valabrog✭✭✭Hey all
I started playing 2 months ago. Just hit 1000k gold plus a 300k home. Really just selling stuff I have obtained through drops and gathering. Not yet crafting to try and make profit.
My question is twofold; I see people in game begging for 3000g for respecs for example, but given my experience I can't see how people can not have excess gold in game. Can anyone offer some insight into this?
Leading on from the above question, given how easy it appears to earn gold is it too easy or should there be more gold sinks?
Thanks in advance!
Well, if you play PVP, you spend a lot on potions, like really a lot. Also if you have 2 gear combos for PVE and PVP and want to golden those out (~300 k gold to golden 9 armor/weapons), not even talking about golden jewelry mats. Along with that - expensive homes, fancy motifs, outfit designer costs..
So if you play end game, the game is pretty demanding in gold and I cant see getting away without joining a strong trade guild or trading crowns for gold, or farming dolmens/delves/mats.
And there always will be scum around who beg for coins..Its funny to troll those.Edited by Valabrog on August 20, 2018 5:31AM1 -
NoTimeToWait✭✭✭✭✭Versispellis wrote: »Making gold isn't the issue--holding onto it is the real challenge. I'm always buying things from the guild stores, so my balance fluctuates wildly. I have that same kind of impaired impulse control in real life.
Why would you need to hold large amounts of gold anyway? This is a game, enjoy spending the cash freely. This game really doesn't require you to have lots of gold to spend. The only case was the house being sold during Halloween last year, and you had to have around 200k gold for that one.
The only time you ought to have lots of cash-on-demand is when you want to use some trading opportunities that arise from time to time (and that kind of opportunities often require 1-2+ mil gold). Otherwise it is just meaningless to hoard gold, because we have inflation and gold value drops with time
It really isn’t that easy. The game never teaches you at any point that the only way to make gold ‘easily’ is to get it from other players via trading. Maybe you had someone teach you from the start because you did social stuff in the game but for those of us who didn’t, you don’t know this stuff.
Ah, you see, there is a problem. Inflation, that I have already mentioned. It's definitely there, at least on EU PC server. I would evaluate last year's inflation at around 20%. This year it's going to be at least the same with this huge playerbase. And almost the same gold sink efficiency.
If ZOS shows to players efficient in-game ways to earn gold, the in-game gold amount will start inflating at fast pace.
Now, imagine what happens to prices on the market when suddenly everyone has tens or even hundreds of thousands gold free to spend. They will soar. It will diminish gold value significantly again without any reasonable improvement for casual players. And those, who don't research game mechanics or don't belong to big trade guilds will suffer even more.
And this kind of overinflation will make many things worse. Like, trader bidding, which already requires much more gold than before. Or potion ingredient's prices, which will lock out low-income players (and there will always be low-income players in comparison to market median) from end game (which is already happening at a small scale)But that's the essence to my original question in a sense. I started 2 months ago with nil ESO experience. Played for a couple of days, then did some (brief!) reading online to find out what I should know. Two months later i have over a million gold. So by my experience, there is no barrier to entry and participation due to lack of knowledge ("new players") as I experienced it. Thoughts?
Yes, there are lots of easy ways to earn gold, even without any specific knowledge. 20-25k per hour is easily achieved by thieving or gathering mats (which is essentially solo play). And many more other ways which will net you much more gold. The thing is, this game is not about farming gold (thankfully) and have lots of things to do besides farming. So many people just don't bother themselves to earn gold and enjoy the game the way they wantEdited by NoTimeToWait on August 20, 2018 1:49PM0 -
Pertinkus✭✭No what I'm surmising from this thread is
1) At least moderate amounts of gold is easy to obtain
2) If one is end game PVPing or PVEing being "rich" is problematic
3) Those that can't use google to at least find out how to make moderate gold are not very bright.
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »If you put in the time to farm for mats or desirable gear to sell, its easy to make money at this game.
If you don't, its hard to accumulate lots of gold from kills, quests, and vendoring stuff.
What’s interesting is that nearly all in-game gold ultimately comes from the sources you list in this second line. Thus, essentially the rich folks make their fortunes on the backs of the poor masses in this game.
When I was in the poor masses, I would sell alchemy reagens for like... 25g each regardelss of type. It blew my mind that anyone would pay that much for any of them. I’d still sell for that if it wern’t for flippers... but it blows my mind even more that folks think some of those mats are worth 100g each or more.
well.. the reason so flowers cost more then others is becasue
1. they don't spawn as often as some of the others.
2. they are used in potions that are extremely useful and as such, players go through quickly at end game.
so becasue of 2 of the above, some flowers are overabundant and yet not very useful or often used, while others... are the opposite. and so they cost more.
that said.. for the longest time my gold came primarily from stealing and doing dailies, especially crafting dailies. on a flip side - trading would not be as brisk and abundant if these sources of gold did not exist. as for gold sinks.... weekly trader bids take care of the bulk of that.Edited by Linaleah on August 21, 2018 5:48AMdirty worthless casual.
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