I am far from a casual...but that is by choice. I chose to play with other people and get better gear for larger group content involving other players. The only time my elitism comes into play is if the people I am playing with refuse to afford the same curteosy when playing with other people.

Yeah, it is a game, but when you play 4-16 hours everyday...you want the other players no matter how casual to at least read the skills they are using and to rightly know when something is beyond their skill level...

Main a nonpetmagsorc and constantly carry people through dungeons...When you have run dungeons hundreds of times it should be well remembered it might be somebody's first...you don't want a bad experience when it seemed like fun.

In closing...the tutorial should say: This ain't Skyrim, do more then light attack.

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Shadowbane collapsed due to being a bug ridden mess from day one. They released and never could get it very stable. Listen from 11:00 on..

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bwquIdQjlr8

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Your way is the way of death. It must be opposed at all cost. You are the unwitting murderer of MMO's attempting to drive out it's lifeblood: casual players. You must. Be. Defeated.

Oh, Lawdy. Drama Queen much?

Little bit dramatic, but as other people have pointed out, when the casuals leave, is all over.

You want a classical example of this? Search Shadowbane on youtube. Click on the first video you see. Shadowbane is a classical example of when the casuals (Named sheep there, for a PVP focused game, which I hate) leave, the hardcore audience tends to cannibalize itself and the game collapses.

It is what it is. The hardcore players enjoy the game they have because of casual gamers, and anyone who tries to force the casuals out is directly advocating for the death of the game. Period. It is what will happen, so that is their position. And I'm not shy about shouting it at them until they get it.

If they want to advocate for the death of the game, let them wear that title. They are the enemy of everyone who enjoys the game. Dramatic? Yes. But not incorrect.

Shadowbane collapsed due to being a bug ridden mess from day one. They released and never could get it very stable.

Shadowbane was also a bug-ridden mess but it also relied souly on PVP.

PVP is by it's nature a game on life support. It needs an influx of low skill players for the high skill players to feed upon. Once that influx dries up, the high skills cannibalize each other and then leave.

And I will scream that until judgement day because that is the truth. It's whats happened with Shadowbane, and ESO's PVP, which is why people keep trying to revive it by advocating we tie other game mechanics to the imperial city and -nothing else-. They need to prop up PVP repeatedly just to keep it alive.

Sorry Doc I don't believe that about PVP. Daoc was one of the best PVP games and it maintained a healthy pvp core of veterans that lasted quite a long time until they bombed us with mandatory pve in Trails of Atlantis for our artifacts. A *** expansion proved how a company could cannibalize it's own players. ESO's PVP seems just fine to me. There's a ton of players out there and the nights when i chose to pvp after work it's normally pop locked. Once again it wont be a lack of new players out in Cyrodiil that kills ESO PVP, it will be the DEVS lack of development and commitment to those they worked so hard in the beginning to bring in (Ex-Daoc & Warhammer players).