Magika Sorcerer

Kel · August 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

Can we get some clips of your build in action?

Uploading a video is a little hard for me, and I'm not too keen on actually sharing the full deets of my personal builds with people like them, but if you're on PC/NA, I'd be happy to show you in person.

But i need a good laugh.

Why are you being hateful right now?

Because how condescending you sounded with telling people to not follow the archetype of mag sorc.

By all means if there was another option that made the class anywhere near as effective that shields destro/ resto then i'd play it. But there isn't.

A bow/ bow sorc simply isn't going to be better. There is no reason to use bow at all.

This is a time where mag sorc is going to from an acceptable small scale/ 1vx class to being gutted back to being even less mediocre than it was a few patches ago. Considering most classes can straight you negate most of the sorc burst a reliable cc was all they had and instead of fixing the buggy cc and checking it's strength zos did what they do best and be lazy and just nerf the skill to a worse state than when nobody was using it.

Mag sorc's get enough hate by the army of noobs on this forum lately, then there is you saying you haven't been more 'potent competitively' on your bow/ bow or bow/ 2h hybrid sorc when that just simply isn't true for sorc's.

This is why sorcs can't be taken seriously.

When you had rune cage, y'all were like "One skill doesn't make the sorc what it is. Rune cage is fine, we should keep it. It doesn't make that much of a diffrence."

Now it's been nerfed and all of a sudden, because of that one ability all you sorcs said didn't matter and didn't define your class, now you've been gutted and are less than mediocre?

Sorcs: Working hard to convince you thier op skill doesn't matter, but complaining about being gutted when it's nerfed...

Oh yeah, let's not forget the "but..but...nightblades..." crying. Because can't talk about sorcs without trying to divert and point the conversation elsewhere, right? My only nightblade is a tank and I also play sorc, so please save your inevitable "you must main a nightblade" built in dismissal as well...it holds no water.

Until sorcs can be un-biased in looking at thier class, why should anyone take them seriously? You keep saying one skill didn't make you op...until it was nerfed, now you're gutted? Make up your collective hive mind mentality, please...

Unsure any decent sorcs said rune cage was fine. All the decent ones on the PTS thread said it was OP but weren't listened to.

And you only are talking about half the story. Needs where in a bad place post Frag nerfs, everyone knew it, including zos hence They got the buff to cage, which has been regressed. As has gank from overload, as has our execute, empowered flags gone and execute nerfed.

So yeah sorcs are moaning because they are in a worse place than when everyone knew they were low down the order (last two patches)

If you still have issues with Sorcs post this patch. L2P is all folks can say. And what's on the horizon....ward nerfs. Great.

Yet still lousy players will say Sorcs are favorites and OP.....

I'll say this again, because everyone's in such a rush to jump on what I'm saying....

I also play sorc.
Never used rune cage before or after the buff/nerf. I'll refer you to my other post in this thread..

"If you feel I was overreacting, let me apologize. I am sorry.
I get frustrated with fellow sorcs who relied so heavily on the rune cage crutch that they cannot seem to function without it, and come to cry how sorcs are now useless.
It makes us look like whiny little kids, and I hate it.
Sorcs were strong, have been strong, and will continue to be strong.
Now it'll take a little more skill to pull off those kill numbers, and I don't think that's a bad thing. I'm ashamed to say fellow sorcs obviously don't feel the same. (In general, not directed at you personally.) Its sad and makes us look like female dogs...if you get my meaning..."

What I'm referring to is how before this nerf, sorcs were saying rune cage was no big deal. I could name a few, some in this very thread, that tried to downplay how op it was. Kudos to the ones who were honest about it, but most were not.
Now it's nerfed those same sorcs who were trying to convince everyone it was no big deal are now saying the sky is falling.
Not hard to see why it's annoying

ItsNebula · August 2018

Frags should have the CC and the full damage. Its easy to dodge at a distance, and most sorcs still couldnt get it to crit for 8k+ when proccd unless they were actually good.
Its sad that people think MagSorc is this OP and Broken class, when playing solo on it open world, its probably one of the hardest classes tbh.

How?
For starters, just about any MagSorc will get DESTROYED in the blink of an eye if hes caught by 2-3+ "Decent" players with shields down.. and for every second we spend casting our shields, is another second we arnt on the offense, another second the stam toons vigor will tic, another second they get to deal free damage..

Stop nerfing sorcs just because you cant kill one, people need to realize that. Unless they can 1vX perfectly fine on a MagSorc, they have no right to say that "MagSorc is Broken and OP"

DanteYoda · August 2018

Why do these threads always turn into hate fests... Mag sorc is powerful even without runecage, compared to many classes they are doing just fine..

Go try Warden and see how fast you migrate back to sorc..

Kikke · August 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Why do these threads always turn into hate fests... Mag sorc is powerful even without runecage, compared to many classes they are doing just fine..

Go try Warden and see how fast you migrate back to sorc..

Wait... What? A warden crying? About what? In PvP you are unkillable gods, in PvE you have amazing dps in a optimized team and most complex rotation(60k+) So a class that demands alot of skills, and if skilled can reach unknown limits. But nah, your crying about a roofed and locked newb killing class. GG!

NyassaV · August 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

Yes let's use the cc that has exponential cost increase, that is unidirectional... and broken by the time you turn around. Thank you for fixing all of our issues.

Sorry I think I said to use it offensively not use it as a spammable -.- Honestly just shut up and try it, streak through your enemy sometimes. It's fairly common to see 5k streaks

NyassaV · August 2018

Ozazz wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

streak offensively in today's age is pretty much near useless, you would pretty much have to play mgk for four years to really have a full credible opinion when it comes to this

You didn't actually address or explain anything as to why this would be an invalid tactic. The Sorc class rep taught me this and it works relatively well considering the entirety of the Sorc's kit. Need I also remind you it is the only class with 4 different types of CCs. And BTW the sorc class rep has been playing mgk for 4 years and I've been doing it for 3

Legit just shut up and try it. Yeah it's rough, sorry. Streak through your opponent and not away from them and watch them loose almost 5k health. Especially if you get a group of them mmmmmm... So nice

MirkoZ · August 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

Yes let's use the cc that has exponential cost increase, that is unidirectional... and broken by the time you turn around. Thank you for fixing all of our issues.

Sorry I think I said to use it offensively not use it as a spammable -.- Honestly just shut up and try it, streak through your enemy sometimes. It's fairly common to see 5k streaks

Streak is useless used for STUNNING in pvp since it has a very short duration of cc , when you turn around the stun ends.
Streak is useful for mobility.

Haashhtaag · August 2018

Crystal frag is sorcs go to class defining skill. It’s been gutted and destroyed.

Ozazz · August 2018

Look anybody to this day that still complains about mgk sorc or stamblade is just envious of the classes and jealous of the players that have success on them, AND ARE UNDERMINING THE SKILL IT TAKES TO PLAY ON THEM!!!
THERE IS NO REASON RIGHT NOW IN THIS GAME FOR HEAVY TO BE PERFORMING THE WAY as it IS
BEING BETTER THAN LIGHT AND MEDIUM, its ironic how people don't wont to address this!

How?
For starters, just about any MagSorc will get DESTROYED in the blink of an eye if hes caught by 2-3+ "Decent" players with shields down.. and for every second we spend casting our shields, is another second we arnt on the offense, another second the stam toons vigor will tic, another second they get to deal free damage..

Stop nerfing sorcs just because you cant kill one, people need to realize that. Unless they can 1vX perfectly fine on a MagSorc, they have no right to say that "MagSorc is Broken and OP" [/quote]

couldn't agree more my man, thank you

Ozazz · August 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

streak offensively in today's age is pretty much near useless, you would pretty much have to play mgk for four years to really have a full credible opinion when it comes to this

You didn't actually address or explain anything as to why this would be an invalid tactic. The Sorc class rep taught me this and it works relatively well considering the entirety of the Sorc's kit. Need I also remind you it is the only class with 4 different types of CCs. And BTW the sorc class rep has been playing mgk for 4 years and I've been doing it for 3

Legit just shut up and try it. Yeah it's rough, sorry. Streak through your opponent and not away from them and watch them loose almost 5k health. Especially if you get a group of them mmmmmm... So nice

i have over 5k hours on the class so for you to tell me to shut up well, this is honestly satire!
don't come in here with your negativity

Ozazz · August 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Why do these threads always turn into hate fests... Mag sorc is powerful even without runecage, compared to many classes they are doing just fine..

Go try Warden and see how fast you migrate back to sorc..

Wait... What? A warden crying? About what? In PvP you are unkillable gods, in PvE you have amazing dps in a optimized team and most complex rotation(60k+) So a class that demands alot of skills, and if skilled can reach unknown limits. But nah, your crying about a roofed and locked newb killing class. GG!

RIGHT! go play meta i'm sure you'll migrate back lol

Ozazz · August 2018

generalmyrick wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

its really depressing how this class has been regressing for years now while people still have the miss conception of being the best and truly undermine the player skill it takes to have success in pvp! Any stam class in pvp will treat you better in outnumbered situations modernly speaking. its pretty evident that zos had no regard for the skillful game play frag cc implemented in the game, so much of open world success and dueling revolved around it, not to mention if you were on a magic sorcerer vs another, the entire fight revolved around the cc. the skill has taken a 30% damage reduction, with might of the guild and they still deny us our cc mean while they debuff our only other reliable cc. there's a reason more people play stam sorc then magic lets be honest here . my 2 points would have to be frag cc and some type of snare removal thank you for your time.

MAG SORC is so op
>
i regret playing since launch on a lousy hated magplar.

i played 2 days without helm and shoulders (must have moved it to another character for some reason) and it played/felt MILES ahead of any other class i've played.

it makes the hardest content in the game DISGUSTINGLY EASY...

to put into terms i think communicate it quickly = it OUTCLASSES all other classes...it can heal, burst, sustain, move, etc. the best or better than every other class. for TALOS' sake = it comes with its own set of tanks! You can literally call down pets that will tank humans and npcs AND obstruct targeting to you! that's...that's...like having a passive that gives you "15% for the enemy to be unable to target you at all times."

it literrally needs its own spinoff dlc to showcase its awesomeness. the jedi would be like them if the sith didn't exist...

The MOMENT, SECOND, INSTANT a change class token is offerred my main is going to sorc school!

OP, sir... @Ozazz if anybody with skill played the sorc, it would truly be unstoppable!

sorry that you dont have a full comprehensive perspective on this class ! this thread 1st of all is for pvp matters not pve.

Ozazz · August 2018

Thialmer wrote: »

Not having a reliable cc is difficult for Sorcs, and is a solid nerf against the class. It's not that the class is now unplayable its that the consistency isn't there. Theres no real diversity anymore if you want to be at the top of the competitive pvp. You have to run master's with destructive touch, and that's sad. There needs to be a class based cc.

Also, playing a class for 2 months in pvp can tell you what you need to know. 4 years is crazy elitist.

but being here since the start is a accurate description more or less to the class and game. people must realize this but they wont! everyone has to have their trophies.

Ozazz · August 2018

Saturn wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

I run a bow/bow and bow/2h pseudo-hybrid magsorc, (I say pseudo-hybrid because he's still fully magicka), in both battlegrounds and open-world PVP, and I've never had more fun, OR been more potent competitively.

@Judas Helviaryn
I'm really curious to know what exactly that build entails, because that sounds very counterintuitive, lol.

I have to question your screenshots by the way, as MagSorcs running the execute are very easy to get kills with, especially in fast-paced battlegrounds, and I don't believe having lots of kills is necessarily proof of much. Because, not only can you steal kills from your team mates, but also the enemy teams. The MagSorc is uniquely primed to exploit the way bgs reward kill stealing, and regardless of who I fight with or against, if they are a halfway decent sorc, then they have a lot of kills. As a player who runs MagDK a lot, I find it frustrating that on paper the sorcs basically have all the kills, even if they were just rewarded for doing 5% of the overall damage to a target. For example, in the last picture, even with 23 kills and 10 assist you have less than 600k total damage, and every member of every other team have more assists than kills.

Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is, a video would probably have been better if you were trying to prove a point, since I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows how MagSorcs work in bgs.

you should get over a class that has been mutilated of its former glory and all its left with is the ability to siphon kills in 1 dimensional bg's. which earlier i discussed inst a accurate representation of how the class plays! and this tactic is only useful against clueless players that are not well seasoned nor have any pvp experience.

usmguy1234 · August 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

Yes let's use the cc that has exponential cost increase, that is unidirectional... and broken by the time you turn around. Thank you for fixing all of our issues.

Sorry I think I said to use it offensively not use it as a spammable -.- Honestly just shut up and try it, streak through your enemy sometimes. It's fairly common to see 5k streaks

I think it's funny that you assumed that I hadn't tried it. You've also got issues trying to beat a melee class in melee range with a ranged character but I digress.

generalmyrick · August 2018

Ozazz wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

its really depressing how this class has been regressing for years now while people still have the miss conception of being the best and truly undermine the player skill it takes to have success in pvp! Any stam class in pvp will treat you better in outnumbered situations modernly speaking. its pretty evident that zos had no regard for the skillful game play frag cc implemented in the game, so much of open world success and dueling revolved around it, not to mention if you were on a magic sorcerer vs another, the entire fight revolved around the cc. the skill has taken a 30% damage reduction, with might of the guild and they still deny us our cc mean while they debuff our only other reliable cc. there's a reason more people play stam sorc then magic lets be honest here . my 2 points would have to be frag cc and some type of snare removal thank you for your time.

MAG SORC is so op
>
i regret playing since launch on a lousy hated magplar.

i played 2 days without helm and shoulders (must have moved it to another character for some reason) and it played/felt MILES ahead of any other class i've played.

it makes the hardest content in the game DISGUSTINGLY EASY...

to put into terms i think communicate it quickly = it OUTCLASSES all other classes...it can heal, burst, sustain, move, etc. the best or better than every other class. for TALOS' sake = it comes with its own set of tanks! You can literally call down pets that will tank humans and npcs AND obstruct targeting to you! that's...that's...like having a passive that gives you "15% for the enemy to be unable to target you at all times."

it literrally needs its own spinoff dlc to showcase its awesomeness. the jedi would be like them if the sith didn't exist...

The MOMENT, SECOND, INSTANT a change class token is offerred my main is going to sorc school!

OP, sir... @Ozazz if anybody with skill played the sorc, it would truly be unstoppable!

sorry that you dont have a full comprehensive perspective on this class ! this thread 1st of all is for pvp matters not pve.

Apologies, Mr. @Ozazz ---> my comments were emcompassing the sorc in total...thread was named "magicka sorc," not "pvp magicka sorc."

so let me republish the pvp only points:
[*] i regret playing since launch on a lousy hated magplar.
[*] i played 2 days without helm and shoulders (must have moved it to another character for some reason) and it played/felt MILES ahead of any other class i've played.
[*] to put into terms i think communicate it quickly = it OUTCLASSES all other classes...it can heal, burst, sustain, move, etc. the best or better than every other class. for TALOS' sake = it comes with its own set of tanks! You can literally call down pets that will tank humans and npcs AND obstruct targeting to you! that's...that's...like having a passive that gives you "15% for the enemy to be unable to target you at all times."

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~Myrick

templesus · August 2018

Ozazz wrote: »

Look anybody to this day that still complains about mgk sorc or stamblade is just envious of the classes and jealous of the players that have success on them, AND ARE UNDERMINING THE SKILL IT TAKES TO PLAY ON THEM!!!
THERE IS NO REASON RIGHT NOW IN THIS GAME FOR HEAVY TO BE PERFORMING THE WAY as it IS
BEING BETTER THAN LIGHT AND MEDIUM, its ironic how people don't wont to address this!

How?
For starters, just about any MagSorc will get DESTROYED in the blink of an eye if hes caught by 2-3+ "Decent" players with shields down.. and for every second we spend casting our shields, is another second we arnt on the offense, another second the stam toons vigor will tic, another second they get to deal free damage..

Stop nerfing sorcs just because you cant kill one, people need to realize that. Unless they can 1vX perfectly fine on a MagSorc, they have no right to say that "MagSorc is Broken and OP"

mmmmm no, that sounds like a L2P issue. A simple dodge roll when shields fall gives you enough time to Bar Swap and reapply, any good sorc knows this.

As for your repeated “I have 5k hours on the class” that has no relevance to how good of a PvPer you are; for all we know 3k of it could’ve been spent questing and the other 2k Zerging.

If you actually want to convince people you know what you’re talking about then how about you drop some evidence.

YouTube is a great resource for this.

NyassaV · August 2018

Ozazz wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

streak offensively in today's age is pretty much near useless, you would pretty much have to play mgk for four years to really have a full credible opinion when it comes to this

You didn't actually address or explain anything as to why this would be an invalid tactic. The Sorc class rep taught me this and it works relatively well considering the entirety of the Sorc's kit. Need I also remind you it is the only class with 4 different types of CCs. And BTW the sorc class rep has been playing mgk for 4 years and I've been doing it for 3

Legit just shut up and try it. Yeah it's rough, sorry. Streak through your opponent and not away from them and watch them loose almost 5k health. Especially if you get a group of them mmmmmm... So nice

i have over 5k hours on the class so for you to tell me to shut up well, this is honestly satire!
don't come in here with your negativity

Again you failed to address the fact that the sorc rep and myself see it as a viable thing. Telling you to shut up and give it a try isn't negativity it's just saying "Please Actually try it before you say you don't like it and proceed to complain" You know, how trying knew food works.

NyassaV · August 2018

MirkoZ wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

Yes let's use the cc that has exponential cost increase, that is unidirectional... and broken by the time you turn around. Thank you for fixing all of our issues.

Sorry I think I said to use it offensively not use it as a spammable -.- Honestly just shut up and try it, streak through your enemy sometimes. It's fairly common to see 5k streaks

Streak is useless used for STUNNING in pvp since it has a very short duration of cc , when you turn around the stun ends.
Streak is useful for mobility.

If you think the duration of the stun is that important then please don't provide PvP input

Waffennacht · August 2018

I got as far as bow bow

Why not run boundless if you want expedition?

Why not staff/2h for FM with boundless?

Magnum shot and it's other morph wouldn't be worth it imo

I have ran 2h + FM boundless streak and TK for BGs

But with swift, there isn't much need for such a set up

Tasear · August 2018

Want to say your class representatives are listening but also remind you of the feedback form app. It will show major concerns that community is feeling each patch.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfXy_L7LW4Xa2rpwdV7_tEY4NonFdI6yIyI4zSK6J6uZWXhxA/viewform

More data the better so share this link everywhere!

frostz417 · August 2018

I am loving seeing all the sorc mains cry now that they’re finally getting nerfed after all the patches of getting buff after buff. Now y’all know how Templars,DK, and magdens feel. Deal with it.

MirkoZ · August 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

MirkoZ wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

Yes let's use the cc that has exponential cost increase, that is unidirectional... and broken by the time you turn around. Thank you for fixing all of our issues.

Sorry I think I said to use it offensively not use it as a spammable -.- Honestly just shut up and try it, streak through your enemy sometimes. It's fairly common to see 5k streaks

Streak is useless used for STUNNING in pvp since it has a very short duration of cc , when you turn around the stun ends.
Streak is useful for mobility.

If you think the duration of the stun is that important then please don't provide PvP input

Oh my god mate , when someone use streak on me I won't even cc break because I know that it is very short cc duration and so I save a lot of stamina.

Ozazz · August 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

MirkoZ wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

Yes let's use the cc that has exponential cost increase, that is unidirectional... and broken by the time you turn around. Thank you for fixing all of our issues.

Sorry I think I said to use it offensively not use it as a spammable -.- Honestly just shut up and try it, streak through your enemy sometimes. It's fairly common to see 5k streaks

Streak is useless used for STUNNING in pvp since it has a very short duration of cc , when you turn around the stun ends.
Streak is useful for mobility.

If you think the duration of the stun is that important then please don't provide PvP input

You can not utilize streak as a efficient cc and it was only bis in the case of using the meteor streak combo, this combo was best in the early stages of the game, but meteor rune prison became the go to! meteor streak is not near as efficient as it use to perform, reasoning behind this is because health/resistances have all gone up in cyrodiil due to heavy armnor.

Ozazz · August 2018

templesus wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

Look anybody to this day that still complains about mgk sorc or stamblade is just envious of the classes and jealous of the players that have success on them, AND ARE UNDERMINING THE SKILL IT TAKES TO PLAY ON THEM!!!
THERE IS NO REASON RIGHT NOW IN THIS GAME FOR HEAVY TO BE PERFORMING THE WAY as it IS
BEING BETTER THAN LIGHT AND MEDIUM, its ironic how people don't wont to address this!

How?
For starters, just about any MagSorc will get DESTROYED in the blink of an eye if hes caught by 2-3+ "Decent" players with shields down.. and for every second we spend casting our shields, is another second we arnt on the offense, another second the stam toons vigor will tic, another second they get to deal free damage..

Stop nerfing sorcs just because you cant kill one, people need to realize that. Unless they can 1vX perfectly fine on a MagSorc, they have no right to say that "MagSorc is Broken and OP"

mmmmm no, that sounds like a L2P issue. A simple dodge roll when shields fall gives you enough time to Bar Swap and reapply, any good sorc knows this.

As for your repeated “I have 5k hours on the class” that has no relevance to how good of a PvPer you are; for all we know 3k of it could’ve been spent questing and the other 2k Zerging.

If you actually want to convince people you know what you’re talking about then how about you drop some evidence.

YouTube is a great resource for this.

ive dueled the best players on console and know all the best players on console, currently moved to pc and im associated with some of the best players on this platform as well. i play two platforms for this game and have a very in depth opinion of the evolution of it and my class.
shall i provide a list of all the nurfs/debuffs to my class indirect or direct?

templesus · August 2018

Ozazz wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

Look anybody to this day that still complains about mgk sorc or stamblade is just envious of the classes and jealous of the players that have success on them, AND ARE UNDERMINING THE SKILL IT TAKES TO PLAY ON THEM!!!
THERE IS NO REASON RIGHT NOW IN THIS GAME FOR HEAVY TO BE PERFORMING THE WAY as it IS
BEING BETTER THAN LIGHT AND MEDIUM, its ironic how people don't wont to address this!

How?
For starters, just about any MagSorc will get DESTROYED in the blink of an eye if hes caught by 2-3+ "Decent" players with shields down.. and for every second we spend casting our shields, is another second we arnt on the offense, another second the stam toons vigor will tic, another second they get to deal free damage..

Stop nerfing sorcs just because you cant kill one, people need to realize that. Unless they can 1vX perfectly fine on a MagSorc, they have no right to say that "MagSorc is Broken and OP"

mmmmm no, that sounds like a L2P issue. A simple dodge roll when shields fall gives you enough time to Bar Swap and reapply, any good sorc knows this.

As for your repeated “I have 5k hours on the class” that has no relevance to how good of a PvPer you are; for all we know 3k of it could’ve been spent questing and the other 2k Zerging.

If you actually want to convince people you know what you’re talking about then how about you drop some evidence.

YouTube is a great resource for this.

ive dueled the best players on console and know all the best players on console, currently moved to pc and im associated with some of the best players on this platform as well. i play two platforms for this game and have a very in depth opinion of the evolution of it and my class.
shall i provide a list of all the nurfs/debuffs to my class indirect or direct?

Which console did you play on?

Valrien · August 2018

I like this guy

"Man, my build is so good. Y'all WISH you had it."

"Well, what is it?"

"Why would I ever back up my claims?"

Valrien · August 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Ok

You realize sorc has like... 4 different types of CCs in it's kit right?

Y'all need to stop complaining about what you already have and complain about something which you might actually need like a little more damage. Practice using streak offensively

You don't seem to know much about Sorc

Sorc could use a slight bit more damage but is overall pretty decent there. What it lacks is sustain and now CC.

Streak lasts far too little time to be of any use and is extremely clunky. Asking people to use Streak as an offensive stun is like putting someone up to the plate in the MLB with a monkey wrench. Sure, you might hit the ball sometimes but you should really just have a bat.

Valrien · August 2018

generalmyrick wrote: »

Ozazz wrote: »

its really depressing how this class has been regressing for years now while people still have the miss conception of being the best and truly undermine the player skill it takes to have success in pvp! Any stam class in pvp will treat you better in outnumbered situations modernly speaking. its pretty evident that zos had no regard for the skillful game play frag cc implemented in the game, so much of open world success and dueling revolved around it, not to mention if you were on a magic sorcerer vs another, the entire fight revolved around the cc. the skill has taken a 30% damage reduction, with might of the guild and they still deny us our cc mean while they debuff our only other reliable cc. there's a reason more people play stam sorc then magic lets be honest here . my 2 points would have to be frag cc and some type of snare removal thank you for your time.

MAG SORC is so op
>
i regret playing since launch on a lousy hated magplar.

i played 2 days without helm and shoulders (must have moved it to another character for some reason) and it played/felt MILES ahead of any other class i've played.

it makes the hardest content in the game DISGUSTINGLY EASY...

to put into terms i think communicate it quickly = it OUTCLASSES all other classes...it can heal, burst, sustain, move, etc. the best or better than every other class. for TALOS' sake = it comes with its own set of tanks! You can literally call down pets that will tank humans and npcs AND obstruct targeting to you! that's...that's...like having a passive that gives you "15% for the enemy to be unable to target you at all times."

it literrally needs its own spinoff dlc to showcase its awesomeness. the jedi would be like them if the sith didn't exist...

The MOMENT, SECOND, INSTANT a change class token is offerred my main is going to sorc school!

OP, sir... @Ozazz if anybody with skill played the sorc, it would truly be unstoppable!

I didn't realize this was a nightblade thread now.

Because you've literally just described nightblade minus the pets (btw only one Sorc pet is a tank. The other 3, including morphs but not the ulti, are quite flimsy).

Also, nightblades have a 15% dodge chance too! It's called Mirage.

Valrien · August 2018

Tbh, I am disgusted at how much of the community believes Sorc is in a good state. Even if other classes are underperforming alongside Sorc, there is no legitimate reason to request Sorc be gutted and to "shut up and deal with it."

If you're salty about your class being nerfed like all of the oh-so-pitiful Wardens and Templars then say something about it. Saying "LOL SORCS KNOW HOW WE FEEL NOW, GET OVER IT" is just non-constructive and overall does nothing good for anyone.

One poster here has highlighted how much CC Sorcerer has. The flaw in that argument is:
Many of them are useless.
-2 of our CC (one stun, one silence) are Ultimates that are otherwise nothing special and incredibly expensive.

-Our 2 roots are meh, but not entirely awful I suppose...Mines isn't really used for the root but it's nice that it's there and Encase really just doesn't see much use. Imo it would be much more useful if Encase was more of a circle AoE like Talons.

-Finally, we come to the regular stuns. One of them is a mobility skill with a 1.5 second CC...that is literally so short that by the time you turn around to finish your combo they are already up and blocking even if they didn't CC break AND has a stacking cost AND is clunky to use because it is a mobility skill. You are honestly better off picking Ball of Lightning and at least having some added projectile defense. The other is in the process of getting nerfed over and over and over until it is useless. Dodgeable and getting nerfed to be shorter...who knows what else? The skill was broken, yes. Quite literally in fact. But it is still broken, it just doesn't matter anymore because all you gotta do is dodge. The only change that needed to happen was RC needed fixing, not nerfing

Oh yeah, almost forgot Familiar, because people totally use that for the stun too, yes? I really shouldn't even need to say anything about that one.

Sorc DOES have a lot of CC. The problem is that most of them are absolutely useless and the others are becoming more and more useless by the patch. Not to mention, what's the point in having so much CC if there's such a thing as CC immunity? So that really isn't much of a valuable argument in the first place. You only need one stun and maybe a root and you're good to go.

I think some people need to take a long, hard look on their stances and re-evaluate them with the proper information. To re-iterate...I am absolutely disgusted at the sheer amount of bandwagon players who hate just to hate, and the self-proclaimed "Sorc mains" who say everything is fine or even OP (because we all know that they're probably not really Sorc mains and fall into the group of the former).