Super fun GODLIKE warden TANK/HEALER

Ihatenightblades · April 2018

I been theory crafting a dungeon/vdsa tank build that doesnt require a healer. So this way you can always have 3 dps and have heals up 100% of time.

I wanted a way to utilize the healing thicket but be able to literally spam it over and over to keep strong heals for myself and group.

To make that work the sets i use are
5pc dragon body all divines. ( you can swap for leeching plate also since healing thicket doesnt get much reduced cost since base cost is already low )
5 pc werewolf hide jewelry and weapons. Decisive or infused weapon trait with crusher enchant.
2 pc bloodspawn

I have been running this and i cant recall one time where I popped healing thicket and the next one wasnt ready by the time first one wore off. And its great with all the heals overtime you will be getting.

Im also a redguard 45k health 18k stam 15k magicka with 2100 magicka recover running atro mundus.

Reason why I choose redguard is the stamina regen with redguard + bull netch plus 3 sturdy pieces with 20% in reduced block cost you can PERMA BLOCK without losing any stamina.
Note - there is no point in argonian for this build its simply overkill on sustain.
The sustain on this build is insane and i really hope some would try it.

The front bar skills are

Pierce armor
Bull netch
Ice fortress
Absorb magicka
Polar wind

Backbar
Heroic slash
Shimmering shield
Inner fire
Gripping shards
Leeching vines

Note - Dk tanks are number one for toughest content that probably wont change anytime soon but i dont believe they are best tanks for vdsa. having the ability to pop healing thicket over and over for your allies and self is really nice especially in vdsa.

Imo if im on my dps doing vdsa with 3 dps and tank i would rather have a warden tank for off heals. Amazing off heals.

This build is also very flexible. If you have healer in group you can run war horn with amazinf uptime or if your group doesnt mind you not using warhorn you can use permafrost its really good in vdsa also.

And whatever you chose to do you will have ridiculous ult regen and ult cost !!

Overall this isnt the type of tank build you take into trials without major adjustments. But if you lookin for a tank to do dailys with very quickly with 3 dps and still have heals and tank then go for it. If you also want a amazing (and better imo ) tank for dsa i would use this. The magicka sustain is unreal and the stam sustain is unreal. 2100 magicka recover. While your stam pool is constantly being regenerated ( while blocking ).

The only problem you will have is you have to use frozen device in vdsa if you want to pull ads in and its not as convenient as lets say chains lol. But its really not a dealbreaker. The only dealbreaker on this build is if your group members can go without a warhorn. And there will be plenty lol.

Now this is no meta but definitely unique in its way that can heal and tank at same time

Hope you guys enjoy if you get the chance to run it

Integral1900 · April 2018

I love builds like this, something diffrent, well done indeed.

I have a warden healer/dps and that gets a few odd looks... until the beasties get into range of of its massive stack of aoe abilities... that shuts them up plenty quick

Vaoh · April 2018

Yep, that’s one thing I love about Wardens. It can pull off a hybrid role (with one half being a healer) very well.

This mainly comes from Healing Thicket though.... and Shimmering Shield tends to carry the class as a whole.

For Vet dungeons you can def get away with a tree-spamming, high health build in Medium or Heavy Armor. If in Medium I’d say to even run Tava’s Favor and use Evasion for trees every 10sec or less.

Ihatenightblades · April 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

Yep, that’s one thing I love about Wardens. It can pull off a hybrid role (with one half being a healer) very well.

This mainly comes from Healing Thicket though.... and Shimmering Shield tends to carry the class as a whole.

For Vet dungeons you can def get away with a tree-spamming, high health build in Medium or Heavy Armor. If in Medium I’d say to even run Tava’s Favor and use Evasion for trees every 10sec or less.

Ya if only shuffle worked still for heavy armor

NoTimeToWait · April 2018

Excellent post. Too bad it is possible to select only one of agree/awesome/insightful. Would love to select all three of them for this post. New builds and approaches is what we all need

imredneckson · April 2018

Started running this build about a week or two ago in Cyrodiil and damn its OP!

Ihatenightblades · April 2018

imredneckson wrote: »

Started running this build about a week or two ago in Cyrodiil and damn its OP!

Ya swap divines for impen it should be good. Hows the sustain in pvp? You run in ball group im guessing with this build? I thought about running it in battlegrounds to just spam trees for my group but didnt know how well my stam and magicka would hold up

Bigevilpeter · April 2018

I have a warden Tank/healer that uses both S&B and Ice staff, both recourrces have high regen so when one runs out switch to other bar till the first one fills, I use Ebon/Plague doctor and so I used tri stat drink and not food, have around 18 magika/stamina and almost infinte block and I still have almost infinite thicket

Liofa · April 2018

I recommend you try out War Machine instead of Werewolf

You can get insane uptimes on Major Slayer with the trees ^^ Your Healing output will be a bit lower but definitely will be the better choice in burn fights where your mates don't need a lot of healing ^^

imredneckson · April 2018

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Started running this build about a week or two ago in Cyrodiil and damn its OP!

Ya swap divines for impen it should be good. Hows the sustain in pvp? You run in ball group im guessing with this build? I thought about running it in battlegrounds to just spam trees for my group but didnt know how well my stam and magicka would hold up

The sustain is great at 1800 magicka regen and that's more than enough for it. Also I run this build in a group of 12 with my buddies.

EpicRekkoning · April 2018

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I been theory crafting a dungeon/vdsa tank build that doesnt require a healer. So this way you can always have 3 dps and have heals up 100% of time.

I wanted a way to utilize the healing thicket but be able to literally spam it over and over to keep strong heals for myself and group.

To make that work the sets i use are
5pc dragon body all divines. ( you can swap for leeching plate also since healing thicket doesnt get much reduced cost since base cost is already low )
5 pc werewolf hide jewelry and weapons. Decisive or infused weapon trait with crusher enchant.
2 pc bloodspawn

I have been running this and i cant recall one time where I popped healing thicket and the next one wasnt ready by the time first one wore off. And its great with all the heals overtime you will be getting.

Im also a redguard 45k health 18k stam 15k magicka with 2100 magicka recover running atro mundus.

Reason why I choose redguard is the stamina regen with redguard + bull netch plus 3 sturdy pieces with 20% in reduced block cost you can PERMA BLOCK without losing any stamina.
Note - there is no point in argonian for this build its simply overkill on sustain.
The sustain on this build is insane and i really hope some would try it.

The front bar skills are

Pierce armor
Bull netch
Ice fortress
Absorb magicka
Polar wind

Backbar
Heroic slash
Shimmering shield
Inner fire
Gripping shards
Leeching vines

Note - Dk tanks are number one for toughest content that probably wont change anytime soon but i dont believe they are best tanks for vdsa. having the ability to pop healing thicket over and over for your allies and self is really nice especially in vdsa.

Imo if im on my dps doing vdsa with 3 dps and tank i would rather have a warden tank for off heals. Amazing off heals.

This build is also very flexible. If you have healer in group you can run war horn with amazinf uptime or if your group doesnt mind you not using warhorn you can use permafrost its really good in vdsa also.

And whatever you chose to do you will have ridiculous ult regen and ult cost !!

Overall this isnt the type of tank build you take into trials without major adjustments. But if you lookin for a tank to do dailys with very quickly with 3 dps and still have heals and tank then go for it. If you also want a amazing (and better imo ) tank for dsa i would use this. The magicka sustain is unreal and the stam sustain is unreal. 2100 magicka recover. While your stam pool is constantly being regenerated ( while blocking ).

The only problem you will have is you have to use frozen device in vdsa if you want to pull ads in and its not as convenient as lets say chains lol. But its really not a dealbreaker. The only dealbreaker on this build is if your group members can go without a warhorn. And there will be plenty lol.

Now this is no meta but definitely unique in its way that can heal and tank at same time

Hope you guys enjoy if you get the chance to run it

I run a very similar build and it's fun as hell. I use spellpower jewelry and weapons for increase dps and use invigorating drain from vampire skill line for added ulti generation (15 ulti over 3 seconds). If you have 1 Templar dps in the group, have them toss shards and you get perma block.

Lynx7386 · April 2018

With summerset and jewelry crafting, I'm thinking maybe hist bark + tava's favor + blood spawn with heroic slash and shimmering shield will work pretty good. Throw in deceptive predator and you have a 20% chance to dodge attacks.

Ihatenightblades · April 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I have a warden Tank/healer that uses both S&B and Ice staff, both recourrces have high regen so when one runs out switch to other bar till the first one fills, I use Ebon/Plague doctor and so I used tri stat drink and not food, have around 18 magika/stamina and almost infinte block and I still have almost infinite thicket

Liofa wrote: »

I recommend you try out War Machine instead of Werewolf You can get insane uptimes on Major Slayer with the trees ^^ Your Healing output will be a bit lower but definitely will be the better choice in burn fights where your mates don't need a lot of healing ^^

Ya thats the beauty with warden tank it has so many options compared to dk where you are pure tank that holds agro and tosses war horn occasionally.

Klixen · April 2018

Perfect timing!

I've just finished leveling a Magplar and I've been thinking of trying a Warden build next. I'm a solo player, but I've been tempted to try some group content now that I'm more familiar with the game's mechanics.

But how do you think this build would do in solo content, like general questing and the main story for instance? Or is it really only suited for group play?

A few more questions:

Where did you spend your attribute points? Did you spend them all in one stat? Or a mix of all three (Magicka, Health, Stamina)?

What type of armor are you using? Heavy or Medium?

What type of weapon do you use? Staff? Sword and Shield or something else?

That's all I can think of for now (sorry to be a pest).

Ihatenightblades · April 2018

Klixen wrote: »

Perfect timing!

I've just finished leveling a Magplar and I've been thinking of trying a Warden build next. I'm a solo player, but I've been tempted to try some group content now that I'm more familiar with the game's mechanics.

But how do you think this build would do in solo content, like general questing and the main story for instance? Or is it really only suited for group play?

A few more questions:

Where did you spend your attribute points? Did you spend them all in one stat? Or a mix of all three (Magicka, Health, Stamina)?

What type of armor are you using? Heavy or Medium?

What type of weapon do you use? Staff? Sword and Shield or something else?

That's all I can think of for now (sorry to be a pest).

Not at all glad you asked

i run 5 heavy 1 med 1 light. The light and medium pieces are the blood spawn. The rest is 5 dragon or 5 leeching heavy.

Double snb for weapons werewolf hide jewelry and 1h whd shield make sure reinforced traits on shields.

I put all pts into health since i run tri food my max stam and max magicka is good with all health enchantments. I run vampirism stage 4 with all magicka recovery glyphs and atro mundus.

Klixen · April 2018

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Klixen wrote: »

Perfect timing!

I've just finished leveling a Magplar and I've been thinking of trying a Warden build next. I'm a solo player, but I've been tempted to try some group content now that I'm more familiar with the game's mechanics.

But how do you think this build would do in solo content, like general questing and the main story for instance? Or is it really only suited for group play?

A few more questions:

Where did you spend your attribute points? Did you spend them all in one stat? Or a mix of all three (Magicka, Health, Stamina)?

What type of armor are you using? Heavy or Medium?

What type of weapon do you use? Staff? Sword and Shield or something else?

That's all I can think of for now (sorry to be a pest).

Not at all glad you asked i run 5 heavy 1 med 1 light. The light and medium pieces are the blood spawn. The rest is 5 dragon or 5 leeching heavy.

Double snb for weapons werewolf hide jewelry and 1h whd shield make sure reinforced traits on shields.

I put all pts into health since i run tri food my max stam and max magicka is good with all health enchantments. I run vampirism stage 4 with all magicka recovery glyphs and atro mundus.

Thank you! I think I'm going to give this build a try.

But I'm guessing this build doesn't put out a lot of damage, so is there anything you'd change when you're just out in the world questing and leveling?

Thanks again.

Ihatenightblades · April 2018

Klixen wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Klixen wrote: »

Perfect timing!

I've just finished leveling a Magplar and I've been thinking of trying a Warden build next. I'm a solo player, but I've been tempted to try some group content now that I'm more familiar with the game's mechanics.

But how do you think this build would do in solo content, like general questing and the main story for instance? Or is it really only suited for group play?

A few more questions:

Where did you spend your attribute points? Did you spend them all in one stat? Or a mix of all three (Magicka, Health, Stamina)?

What type of armor are you using? Heavy or Medium?

What type of weapon do you use? Staff? Sword and Shield or something else?

That's all I can think of for now (sorry to be a pest).

Not at all glad you asked i run 5 heavy 1 med 1 light. The light and medium pieces are the blood spawn. The rest is 5 dragon or 5 leeching heavy.

Double snb for weapons werewolf hide jewelry and 1h whd shield make sure reinforced traits on shields.

I put all pts into health since i run tri food my max stam and max magicka is good with all health enchantments. I run vampirism stage 4 with all magicka recovery glyphs and atro mundus.

Thank you! I think I'm going to give this build a try.

But I'm guessing this build doesn't put out a lot of damage, so is there anything you'd change when you're just out in the world questing and leveling?

Thanks again.

Tbh if u run leeching it will give some damage and you can definitely kill mobs with the ice aoe plus spamming heavy attack pierce armor. You can definitely do quests with it.

Not too sure on taking a world boss solo. Might turn into a long fight but you definitely wont get killed and over time you will kill the boss so its really on patience.

If you plan on doing only questing and overland content then I recommend putting all points into stamina and keeping the health enchantments but switching out front bar snb to a dw werewolf hide setup so this way you can add tons of dps and still have the 100% uptime op tree heals.

I would keep back bar same and front bar i would take off pierce armor take off absorb magic and put subterranean assault and steel tornado.

You can switch in between styles depending on what you're doing this way and still be good at whatever your doing whether its questing or dungeons.

If you got anymore questions just ask

cmcorms · April 2018

OH hell ya! I just got up to cp160 and am looking to outfit a warden nord for a tank. This hybrid seems great as I have a DK orc that can focus on straight tanking.

I have been told that plague doctors is a really good set as well, what would running that sort of armour be like for this build?

Thanks for the great build.. I will definitely look into this, maybe a few tweeks to fit my play style!

Ihatenightblades · April 2018

KingJesterHead wrote: »

OH hell ya! I just got up to cp160 and am looking to outfit a warden nord for a tank. This hybrid seems great as I have a DK orc that can focus on straight tanking.

I have been told that plague doctors is a really good set as well, what would running that sort of armour be like for this build?

Thanks for the great build.. I will definitely look into this, maybe a few tweeks to fit my play style!

Nord is just as good for this build same with imperial

Plague doctor is a good set but i feel the extra health isn't necessary on a perma block since you probably wont ever need that extra 3500 health.

Utilizing your healing and ult regen is the key to this build i think switching out for a set that just gives stats wont be the same. Leeching plate is a great replacement for dragon. You get even more heals on top of polar wind and healing thicket.

But ya you can go so many ways with this build depending on what kind of group you have is how you determine wha you will wear I guess.

Like if u dont like dk tank at all or you just dont have one and want to main tank warden i know top end game players who have done every content in game with warden healer and warden tank so if anyone ever tells you that you cant tank this or that they don't know what they're talkin about.

The ONLY thing that separates a dk tank from warden tank is that they have green dragon blood.

If their health drops to 10% they can shoot up instantly to 90% health. Its why they are the meta in trials and pure block tanking.

And np

i figured atleast a few people would enjoy this build any more questions lmk

Brrrofski · April 2018

Yeh, I've been using one for a while and they are stupidly good for 4 man content.

I use ebon, seducer, 1 chokethorn, 1 chudan. Don't think I need that chudan so might go with something else. For some dungeons/dragonstar I swap it out for swarm mother. I hate those portals so don't use them. I'm vamp on mine also.

The idea is the same (great group healing) just a different method. Instead of ultimate gen and trees, I make use of polar wind (crits for 9k and I have 32% crit so that's fairly often) and light/heavy attack healing with lotus blossom (like 6k crit heals of light attacks). So great base group healing. Especially lotus blossom. You're doing heavies for stam anyway and weaving lights for ultimate gain.

Do all the usual stuff for ultimate gain like shimmering shield, heroic, light attacks, cast bull merch every 4 seconds etc so ult is up a lot. I go with the morph which heals after you leave the trees personally.

They have ridiculous survivability. Cast lotus blossom and you get 20 seconds of healing that cost zero resource... Polar wind is great heal at 40k health. Shimmering shield negates a lot of damage in down fights and costs nothing if fully absorbed (even next patch with a cost increase it's still going to cost little) and great ult gain coupled with trees. Running with no healer is no problem. I have 2.1 k magica regen, reduced cost with seducer and an argonian - sustain is no problem.

I can't go back to DK tank for 4 man content. It's so boring. Given the warden a break now - back on my saptank that I finally rebuilt since the siphoning changes and I'm having way too much fun on it to tank on anything else.

cmcorms · April 2018

I was going to ask this in a seperate thread, But I may as well ask here. How would being a werewolf affect this build? I want my nord to be werewolf instead of vamp (partially for roleplay purposes)

I have vamp on many other characters but have never played around with werewolf. If it doesnt have any affect then I'm fine with that.

Brrrofski · April 2018

KingJesterHead wrote: »

I was going to ask this in a seperate thread, But I may as well ask here. How would being a werewolf affect this build? I want my nord to be werewolf instead of vamp (partially for roleplay purposes)

I have vamp on many other characters but have never played around with werewolf. If it doesnt have any affect then I'm fine with that.

It would have no synergy at all.

Your damage as a WW would be very small and being a WW doesn't help the build in human form in anyway at all.

It won't hurt the build at all except take away the option of vampirism which imo, the positive outweighs the negatives for pve tanking - but it absolutely is not necessary.

Skander · April 2018

People would just leave you, becouse you would do potatoe dmg to them

cmcorms · April 2018

Brrrofski wrote: »

KingJesterHead wrote: »

I was going to ask this in a seperate thread, But I may as well ask here. How would being a werewolf affect this build? I want my nord to be werewolf instead of vamp (partially for roleplay purposes)

I have vamp on many other characters but have never played around with werewolf. If it doesnt have any affect then I'm fine with that.

It would have no synergy at all.

Your damage as a WW would be very small and being a WW doesn't help the build in human form in anyway at all.

It won't hurt the build at all except take away the option of vampirism which imo, the positive outweighs the negatives for pve tanking - but it absolutely is not necessary.

Ya I'm aware that vamp gives a great advantage (most of my other chars are) but just for this character I would rather stick to WW even if it gives no benefit at all.

I'll definitely check the build out tonight and let you know what I think of it!

Thanks again for all the help and such!

josiahva · April 2018

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

KingJesterHead wrote: »

OH hell ya! I just got up to cp160 and am looking to outfit a warden nord for a tank. This hybrid seems great as I have a DK orc that can focus on straight tanking.

I have been told that plague doctors is a really good set as well, what would running that sort of armour be like for this build?

Thanks for the great build.. I will definitely look into this, maybe a few tweeks to fit my play style!

Nord is just as good for this build same with imperial

Plague doctor is a good set but i feel the extra health isn't necessary on a perma block since you probably wont ever need that extra 3500 health.

Utilizing your healing and ult regen is the key to this build i think switching out for a set that just gives stats wont be the same. Leeching plate is a great replacement for dragon. You get even more heals on top of polar wind and healing thicket.

But ya you can go so many ways with this build depending on what kind of group you have is how you determine wha you will wear I guess.

Like if u dont like dk tank at all or you just dont have one and want to main tank warden i know top end game players who have done every content in game with warden healer and warden tank so if anyone ever tells you that you cant tank this or that they don't know what they're talkin about.

The ONLY thing that separates a dk tank from warden tank is that they have green dragon blood.

If their health drops to 10% they can shoot up instantly to 90% health. Its why they are the meta in trials and pure block tanking.

And np i figured atleast a few people would enjoy this build any more questions lmk

Warden does make the 2nd best tank in the game...but be realistic here...frozen gate is a sad substitute for chains...and the warden reflect is a poor substitute for wings since it doesnt "reflect" at all, just shoots a low-damage projectile back after absorbing a high damage one. Example: a DK tank can easily solo Chudan in vRoM with wings and sustain alone...would never happen with a warden tank...solo possible? Yes, but not as fast. I approve of the idea...I have a similar warden tank/healer hybrid that I will run vet dungeons with from time to time...but nothing is as effective as my shield-spamming DK meat tank. On that tank the group doesnt need a healer either...but requires group members to stay closer to pick up the shields...active shielding rather than healing...anything is better than a perma-blocking tank that doesnt actively contribute to the group though....if I had to play that type of tank...well, I wouldn't tank. ZOS hasn't shoehorned us tanks into that box quite yet but they sure are trying. Anyway, my point is its not GDB that makes DKs the tank of choice, its the fact they have a good root+the best reflect+the best ad pull. GDB is nice...but it doesn't take me from 10% to 90% by any means...and with my shield spamming I don't use it too often anyway, its my "Oh Sh**" heal

Brrrofski · April 2018

cmcorms wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

KingJesterHead wrote: »

I was going to ask this in a seperate thread, But I may as well ask here. How would being a werewolf affect this build? I want my nord to be werewolf instead of vamp (partially for roleplay purposes)

I have vamp on many other characters but have never played around with werewolf. If it doesnt have any affect then I'm fine with that.

It would have no synergy at all.

Your damage as a WW would be very small and being a WW doesn't help the build in human form in anyway at all.

It won't hurt the build at all except take away the option of vampirism which imo, the positive outweighs the negatives for pve tanking - but it absolutely is not necessary.

Ya I'm aware that vamp gives a great advantage (most of my other chars are) but just for this character I would rather stick to WW even if it gives no benefit at all.

I'll definitely check the build out tonight and let you know what I think of it!

Thanks again for all the help and such!

WW won't hinder it at all. The build won't help WW at all. For RP purposes go for it though.

Lynx7386 · April 2018

josiahva wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

KingJesterHead wrote: »

OH hell ya! I just got up to cp160 and am looking to outfit a warden nord for a tank. This hybrid seems great as I have a DK orc that can focus on straight tanking.

I have been told that plague doctors is a really good set as well, what would running that sort of armour be like for this build?

Thanks for the great build.. I will definitely look into this, maybe a few tweeks to fit my play style!

Nord is just as good for this build same with imperial

Plague doctor is a good set but i feel the extra health isn't necessary on a perma block since you probably wont ever need that extra 3500 health.

Utilizing your healing and ult regen is the key to this build i think switching out for a set that just gives stats wont be the same. Leeching plate is a great replacement for dragon. You get even more heals on top of polar wind and healing thicket.

But ya you can go so many ways with this build depending on what kind of group you have is how you determine wha you will wear I guess.

Like if u dont like dk tank at all or you just dont have one and want to main tank warden i know top end game players who have done every content in game with warden healer and warden tank so if anyone ever tells you that you cant tank this or that they don't know what they're talkin about.

The ONLY thing that separates a dk tank from warden tank is that they have green dragon blood.

If their health drops to 10% they can shoot up instantly to 90% health. Its why they are the meta in trials and pure block tanking.

And np i figured atleast a few people would enjoy this build any more questions lmk

Warden does make the 2nd best tank in the game...but be realistic here...frozen gate is a sad substitute for chains...and the warden reflect is a poor substitute for wings since it doesnt "reflect" at all, just shoots a low-damage projectile back after absorbing a high damage one. Example: a DK tank can easily solo Chudan in vRoM with wings and sustain alone...would never happen with a warden tank...solo possible? Yes, but not as fast. I approve of the idea...I have a similar warden tank/healer hybrid that I will run vet dungeons with from time to time...but nothing is as effective as my shield-spamming DK meat tank. On that tank the group doesnt need a healer either...but requires group members to stay closer to pick up the shields...active shielding rather than healing...anything is better than a perma-blocking tank that doesnt actively contribute to the group though....if I had to play that type of tank...well, I wouldn't tank. ZOS hasn't shoehorned us tanks into that box quite yet but they sure are trying. Anyway, my point is its not GDB that makes DKs the tank of choice, its the fact they have a good root+the best reflect+the best ad pull. GDB is nice...but it doesn't take me from 10% to 90% by any means...and with my shield spamming I don't use it too often anyway, its my "Oh Sh**" heal

If you're using the reflect morph of the warden's shield, you're doing it wrong. The advantage wardens have there is that shimmering shield grants major heroism, which can be combined with minor heroism from heroic slash for absolutely insane ultimate generation. Wardens can warhorn far more often than DK's due to that (or use trees if running without a healer, etc.)

I personally find frozen gate a little easier to use than chains, tbh. Chains has a bad habit of targeting the wrong enemy when you're in a mass of bad guys - you'll constantly be chaining the guy right in front of you due to the *** poor targeting system ESO has (at least on consoles), whereas with frozen gate you just target the ground and there's no mistake pulls on the wrong guy that way. It also applies major maim, which can be handy.

Ihatenightblades · April 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

KingJesterHead wrote: »

OH hell ya! I just got up to cp160 and am looking to outfit a warden nord for a tank. This hybrid seems great as I have a DK orc that can focus on straight tanking.

I have been told that plague doctors is a really good set as well, what would running that sort of armour be like for this build?

Thanks for the great build.. I will definitely look into this, maybe a few tweeks to fit my play style!

Nord is just as good for this build same with imperial

Plague doctor is a good set but i feel the extra health isn't necessary on a perma block since you probably wont ever need that extra 3500 health.

Utilizing your healing and ult regen is the key to this build i think switching out for a set that just gives stats wont be the same. Leeching plate is a great replacement for dragon. You get even more heals on top of polar wind and healing thicket.

But ya you can go so many ways with this build depending on what kind of group you have is how you determine wha you will wear I guess.

Like if u dont like dk tank at all or you just dont have one and want to main tank warden i know top end game players who have done every content in game with warden healer and warden tank so if anyone ever tells you that you cant tank this or that they don't know what they're talkin about.

The ONLY thing that separates a dk tank from warden tank is that they have green dragon blood.

If their health drops to 10% they can shoot up instantly to 90% health. Its why they are the meta in trials and pure block tanking.

And np i figured atleast a few people would enjoy this build any more questions lmk

Warden does make the 2nd best tank in the game...but be realistic here...frozen gate is a sad substitute for chains...and the warden reflect is a poor substitute for wings since it doesnt "reflect" at all, just shoots a low-damage projectile back after absorbing a high damage one. Example: a DK tank can easily solo Chudan in vRoM with wings and sustain alone...would never happen with a warden tank...solo possible? Yes, but not as fast. I approve of the idea...I have a similar warden tank/healer hybrid that I will run vet dungeons with from time to time...but nothing is as effective as my shield-spamming DK meat tank. On that tank the group doesnt need a healer either...but requires group members to stay closer to pick up the shields...active shielding rather than healing...anything is better than a perma-blocking tank that doesnt actively contribute to the group though....if I had to play that type of tank...well, I wouldn't tank. ZOS hasn't shoehorned us tanks into that box quite yet but they sure are trying. Anyway, my point is its not GDB that makes DKs the tank of choice, its the fact they have a good root+the best reflect+the best ad pull. GDB is nice...but it doesn't take me from 10% to 90% by any means...and with my shield spamming I don't use it too often anyway, its my "Oh Sh**" heal

If you're using the reflect morph of the warden's shield, you're doing it wrong. The advantage wardens have there is that shimmering shield grants major heroism, which can be combined with minor heroism from heroic slash for absolutely insane ultimate generation. Wardens can warhorn far more often than DK's due to that (or use trees if running without a healer, etc.)

I personally find frozen gate a little easier to use than chains, tbh. Chains has a bad habit of targeting the wrong enemy when you're in a mass of bad guys - you'll constantly be chaining the guy right in front of you due to the *** poor targeting system ESO has (at least on consoles), whereas with frozen gate you just target the ground and there's no mistake pulls on the wrong guy that way. It also applies major maim, which can be handy.

Na frozen gate sucks imo compared to chains. You literally have to cast a ground a ability and only teleports 1 enemy at time. Chains is much faster and efficient.

The_Yellow_King · August 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I have a warden Tank/healer that uses both S&B and Ice staff, both recourrces have high regen so when one runs out switch to other bar till the first one fills, I use Ebon/Plague doctor and so I used tri stat drink and not food, have around 18 magika/stamina and almost infinte block and I still have almost infinite thicket

I realize this thread is a few months old, but I have been very lucky with ebon and plague doctor drops and would really like to try this setup.

I have a level 3 argonian warden that i have nearly maxed out horse training on (I always work on 1 low level while I'm not playing it).

How does your bar differ from the front/back bars mentioned here?
What trait do you look for on the ice staff? I think my plague doctor ice staff dropped in sharpened which I'm sure is not ideal.
What stat points do you run? Half mag half stam?
Do you do decent damage with the ice staff?
What healing skills do you use?
Would we be better off with a healing staff instead of an ice staff, realizing that taunt would get dropped until you front bar again.

Thanks in advance!

Donny_Vito · August 2018

Interesting build, will have to try it out.

Fieju · January 2019

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I been theory crafting a dungeon/vdsa tank build that doesnt require a healer. So this way you can always have 3 dps and have heals up 100% of time.

I wanted a way to utilize the healing thicket but be able to literally spam it over and over to keep strong heals for myself and group.

To make that work the sets i use are
5pc dragon body all divines. ( you can swap for leeching plate also since healing thicket doesnt get much reduced cost since base cost is already low )
5 pc werewolf hide jewelry and weapons. Decisive or infused weapon trait with crusher enchant.
2 pc bloodspawn

I have been running this and i cant recall one time where I popped healing thicket and the next one wasnt ready by the time first one wore off. And its great with all the heals overtime you will be getting.

Im also a redguard 45k health 18k stam 15k magicka with 2100 magicka recover running atro mundus.

Reason why I choose redguard is the stamina regen with redguard + bull netch plus 3 sturdy pieces with 20% in reduced block cost you can PERMA BLOCK without losing any stamina.
Note - there is no point in argonian for this build its simply overkill on sustain.
The sustain on this build is insane and i really hope some would try it.

The front bar skills are

Pierce armor
Bull netch
Ice fortress
Absorb magicka
Polar wind

Backbar
Heroic slash
Shimmering shield
Inner fire
Gripping shards
Leeching vines

Note - Dk tanks are number one for toughest content that probably wont change anytime soon but i dont believe they are best tanks for vdsa. having the ability to pop healing thicket over and over for your allies and self is really nice especially in vdsa.

Imo if im on my dps doing vdsa with 3 dps and tank i would rather have a warden tank for off heals. Amazing off heals.

This build is also very flexible. If you have healer in group you can run war horn with amazinf uptime or if your group doesnt mind you not using warhorn you can use permafrost its really good in vdsa also.

And whatever you chose to do you will have ridiculous ult regen and ult cost !!

Overall this isnt the type of tank build you take into trials without major adjustments. But if you lookin for a tank to do dailys with very quickly with 3 dps and still have heals and tank then go for it. If you also want a amazing (and better imo ) tank for dsa i would use this. The magicka sustain is unreal and the stam sustain is unreal. 2100 magicka recover. While your stam pool is constantly being regenerated ( while blocking ).

The only problem you will have is you have to use frozen device in vdsa if you want to pull ads in and its not as convenient as lets say chains lol. But its really not a dealbreaker. The only dealbreaker on this build is if your group members can go without a warhorn. And there will be plenty lol.

Now this is no meta but definitely unique in its way that can heal and tank at same time

Hope you guys enjoy if you get the chance to run it

May I ask you about your Champions Points? also could you give me more detailed information about built? I'm new to the game and I wanted to make hybrid build for more interesting gameplay, I'm trying to fallow your build while making some of my own changes but I think I'm still unexperienced for this. Would you mind giving me exact names of eq you wear because those short names are mystery to me. If I will even drop such eq how am I suppose to change traits and enchantments? Is it possible? What's "Absorb Magicka" Abillity? I couldn't find it on google or eso wiki? Is this build concidered usefull on veteran dungeons or veteran raids/trials (if those are called so)? Whole idea behind this build is amazing and I'd gladly try to use it in game, maybe in time I'll be able to make my own but for now I would like to ask for some assistance from you if you don't mind.