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Dizzying Swing/Wrecking Blow Feels Unrewarding As A Spammable
Aliyavana
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Am I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant (seeing as pvpers use dizzying swing as a spammable for the cc anyway)
Edited by Aliyavana on August 16, 2018 7:43AM 14
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Am I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant.
dodge roll through your stuck in animation punish from behind. animation takes a wind up time you get stunned and punished, if you do connect the first hit pray to god you can get another one, if the person is faster than you theyll dance around you and punish you. it feels like your playing golf even. so yea i can get behind this being reworked or just done away with for a brand new skill.1 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Am I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant.
dodge roll through your stuck in animation punish from behind. animation takes a wind up time you get stunned and punished, if you do connect the first hit pray to god you can get another one, if the person is faster than you theyll dance around you and punish you. it feels like your playing golf even. so yea i can get behind this being reworked or just done away with for a brand new skill.
its especially infuriating if someone is running shuffle or is running swift jewelry and speed pots, its why wrecking blow should be reworked to be a instant spammable for us classes that lack a stam spammable3 -
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✭DuskMarine wrote: »Am I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant.
dodge roll through your stuck in animation punish from behind. animation takes a wind up time you get stunned and punished, if you do connect the first hit pray to god you can get another one, if the person is faster than you theyll dance around you and punish you. it feels like your playing golf even. so yea i can get behind this being reworked or just done away with for a brand new skill.
its especially infuriating if someone is running shuffle or is running swift jewelry and speed pots, its why wrecking blow should be reworked to be a instant spammable for us classes that lack a stam spammable
id like to have an ability that makes you actually use it as the weapon you have equipped. swing a sword like that and youve cut someone in half vertically.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Am I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant.
For me the main problem is that it is very hard to land with all the lag4 -
CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dizzy swing can still be a strong skill, even if it’s a bit of a pug stomper. It still sets up some devastating combos depending on the class. But I agree it could use some buffs, it’s such a sad shadow of its former glory. Anyone else remember the days of 8k+ empowering wrecking blows?
And that brings me to one of the most glaring skill issues in the game currently. What even is the point of wrecking blow? Since they changed how empower works, seriously, what is the purpose of this skill? To give up a hard stun to make your next light attack a bit stronger? This morph needs to seriously be reworked.7 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dizzy swing can still be a strong skill, even if it’s a bit of a pug stomper. It still sets up some devastating combos depending on the class. But I agree it could use some buffs, it’s such a sad shadow of its former glory. Anyone else remember the days of 8k+ empowering wrecking blows?
And that brings me to one of the most glaring skill issues in the game currently. What even is the point of wrecking blow? Since they changed how empower works, seriously, what is the purpose of this skill? To give up a hard stun to make your next light attack a bit stronger? This morph needs to seriously be reworked.
you only got your wrecking blows with empower to 8k? i was hitting between 16-20k with empowered ones. regular casts though were 8k to 10k though depending on crit.0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dizzy swing can still be a strong skill, even if it’s a bit of a pug stomper. It still sets up some devastating combos depending on the class. But I agree it could use some buffs, it’s such a sad shadow of its former glory. Anyone else remember the days of 8k+ empowering wrecking blows?
And that brings me to one of the most glaring skill issues in the game currently. What even is the point of wrecking blow? Since they changed how empower works, seriously, what is the purpose of this skill? To give up a hard stun to make your next light attack a bit stronger? This morph needs to seriously be reworked.
man as a stam sorc I feel like I am forced to take a *** feeling skill, I wish a rework was in order. @KenaPKK @FeaR Turbo Turbo @tasear @Alcast @NightbladeMechanics do you think you can tell zos that a rework to dizzying swing/wrecking blow might be needed in this speed meta? Something that feels more rewarding is what you can bring up in todays class meeting. Maybe a instant cast for wrecking blow? and dizzying swing might need a few buffs tooEdited by Aliyavana on August 16, 2018 6:16AM0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Am I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant.
For me the main problem is that it is very hard to land with all the lag
OMG, try hitting a wrecking blow in prime time vivec, such a mess5 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dizzy swing can still be a strong skill, even if it’s a bit of a pug stomper. It still sets up some devastating combos depending on the class. But I agree it could use some buffs, it’s such a sad shadow of its former glory. Anyone else remember the days of 8k+ empowering wrecking blows?
And that brings me to one of the most glaring skill issues in the game currently. What even is the point of wrecking blow? Since they changed how empower works, seriously, what is the purpose of this skill? To give up a hard stun to make your next light attack a bit stronger? This morph needs to seriously be reworked.
man as a stam sorc I feel like I am forced to take a *** feeling skill, I wish a rework was in order. @KenaPKK @FeaR Turbo Turbo @tasear @Alcast @NightbladeMechanics do you think you can tell zos that a rework to dizzying swing/wrecking blow might be needed in this speed meta? Something that feels more rewarding is what you can bring up in todays class meeting. Maybe a instant cast for wrecking blow? and dizzying swing might need a few buffs too
id rather it become something a bit more useful. particularly something for pvp and pve.0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »Dizzy swing can still be a strong skill, even if it’s a bit of a pug stomper. It still sets up some devastating combos depending on the class. But I agree it could use some buffs, it’s such a sad shadow of its former glory. Anyone else remember the days of 8k+ empowering wrecking blows?
And that brings me to one of the most glaring skill issues in the game currently. What even is the point of wrecking blow? Since they changed how empower works, seriously, what is the purpose of this skill? To give up a hard stun to make your next light attack a bit stronger? This morph needs to seriously be reworked.
man as a stam sorc I feel like I am forced to take a *** feeling skill, I wish a rework was in order. @KenaPKK @FeaR Turbo Turbo @tasear @Alcast @NightbladeMechanics do you think you can tell zos that a rework to dizzying swing/wrecking blow might be needed in this speed meta? Something that feels more rewarding is what you can bring up in todays class meeting. Maybe a instant cast for wrecking blow? and dizzying swing might need a few buffs too
id rather it become something a bit more useful. particularly something for pvp and pve.
wrecking blow if it was instant would help out 2h pve builds A LOT. As for dizzying swing, it should apply a debuff when a enemy has knockback immunity to make it feel more rewarding.1 -
weg0✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »you only got your wrecking blows with empower to 8k? i was hitting between 16-20k with empowered ones. regular casts though were 8k to 10k though depending on crit.
Hey hey hey, don’t do that. Don’t just gloss over a VERY important point. Wrecking Blow has very little worth now as the added LA dmg is a shadow of the skills old potential. These are the types of conversations we need to be having. (But yeah, 8k? Seriously? Was he swinging a broom?)
And OP, I agree. If they would just reduce the cast time a bit, maybe shave .2 secs off... that would help tremendously.Edited by weg0 on August 16, 2018 6:21AM2 -
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✭✭Still think Wrecking Blow should be instant cast with lower dmg.
Dizzy Swing could have a little less cast time but otherwise its not a bad skill if you can land it.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »Dizzy swing can still be a strong skill, even if it’s a bit of a pug stomper. It still sets up some devastating combos depending on the class. But I agree it could use some buffs, it’s such a sad shadow of its former glory. Anyone else remember the days of 8k+ empowering wrecking blows?
And that brings me to one of the most glaring skill issues in the game currently. What even is the point of wrecking blow? Since they changed how empower works, seriously, what is the purpose of this skill? To give up a hard stun to make your next light attack a bit stronger? This morph needs to seriously be reworked.
man as a stam sorc I feel like I am forced to take a *** feeling skill, I wish a rework was in order. @KenaPKK @FeaR Turbo Turbo @tasear @Alcast @NightbladeMechanics do you think you can tell zos that a rework to dizzying swing/wrecking blow might be needed in this speed meta? Something that feels more rewarding is what you can bring up in todays class meeting. Maybe a instant cast for wrecking blow? and dizzying swing might need a few buffs too
id rather it become something a bit more useful. particularly something for pvp and pve.
wrecking blow if it was instant would help out 2h pve builds A LOT. As for dizzying swing, it should apply a debuff when a enemy has knockback immunity to make it feel more rewarding.
well id rather it more or less be a ability that depends on the weapon used like hard hitting aoe for sword, a huge slam thatll bleed a enemy, maul would be the regular wrecking blow. instant cast would be nice to but like you said debuff the enemy somehow.1 -
Dextail✭✭✭As a stamina player.
I find it hard to justify a rework on this skill. Yes it’s a wind up that can easily be dodged.
However on the flip side insane amount of combos can landed off this skill.
DK) dots them before, land a wrecking, wings (or dB) executioner - dead
Warden) pre sub - wrecking - sub goes off, DB, executioner, dead
Etc etc. Most classes have a way of taking advantage of the stun and large hit the skill brings.
Changing this skill could see a large buff to stamina which honestly isn’t needed. I’m able to burst though approximately 30k health if they are in heavy. Shields are alittle bit more tricky as you want to combo at the right time but still possible.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As a stamina player.
I find it hard to justify a rework on this skill. Yes it’s a wind up that can easily be dodged.
However on the flip side insane amount of combos can landed off this skill.
DK) dots them before, land a wrecking, wings (or dB) executioner - dead
Warden) pre sub - wrecking - sub goes off, DB, executioner, dead
Etc etc. Most classes have a way of taking advantage of the stun and large hit the skill brings.
Changing this skill could see a large buff to stamina which honestly isn’t needed. I’m able to burst though approximately 30k health if they are in heavy. Shields are alittle bit more tricky as you want to combo at the right time but still possible.
WHEN IT LANDS. Have you tried landing a wrecking blow on a speedster in this speed meta? id like the option to have a instant cast spammable on my class which lacks a instant cast spammable, like stam sorcs.Edited by Aliyavana on August 16, 2018 7:10AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You can’t just look at the skill in a vacuum and buff it because it has shortcomings. If you’re running 2H you either have the best mobility skill in the game (Forward Momentum) or the only stam burst heal (Rally). That DW offers the better damage skills makes it a meaningful choice between 2H and DW. If you buff 2H to have a better spammable, why would you run DW (outside of dedicated bleed builds)?Edited by Feanor on August 16, 2018 7:24AMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can’t just look at the skill in a vacuum and buff it because it has shortcomings. If you’re running 2H you either have the best mobility skill in the game (Forward Momentum) or the only stam burst heal (Rally). That DW offers the better damage skills makes it a meaningful choice between 2H and DW. If you buff 2H to have a better spammable, why would you run DW (outside of dedicated bleed builds)?
you would run dw for the healing if that was the case. 2h is already a pain to run with lag and the current speed meta.Edited by Aliyavana on August 16, 2018 7:29AM0 -
Dextail✭✭✭If your having issues landing this skill due to being the person simply running out of range you need to learn to play.
If the person is actively running away from you, you should not ever land this skill and should not be attempting to land it.
“Instant cast spammable on my class” I didn’t know 2h was a class... secondly you can’t just think of skills in a vacuum. If they remove large amounts of the damage from this to make it instant it will be useless. Same with shroud dagger in DW skill is useless in pvp.
The skill is a high risk high reward skill. Every single time I connect with this skill I either A) kill them B ) deal significant damage and put them in defence C) drain their stamina pool and force them to heal.
Changing this skill could easily ruin or make OP many stamina builds.Edited by Dextail on August 16, 2018 7:34AM2 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If your having issues landing this skill due to being the person simply running out of range you need to learn to play.
If the person is actively running away from you, you should not ever land this skill and should not be attempting to land it.
“Instant cast spammable” I didn’t know 2h was a class... secondly you can’t just think of skills in a vacuum. If they remove large amounts of the damage from this to make it instant it will be useless. Same with shroud dagger in DW skill is useless in pvp.
The skill is a high risk high reward skill. Every single time I connect with this skill I either A) kill them B ) deal significant damage and put them in defence C) drain their stamina pool and force them to heal.
Changing this skill could easily ruin or make OP many stamina builds.
Ya, let me just learn to play against those people running speed pots with shuffle and siwft jewelry running around me and through me spamming spin to win. Even if I manage to hit it, shuffle still might rng my dizzying swing, have you tried getting it to land on a speed build just spamming spin to win? wrecking blow as a spammable can have its uses such as in pve. most pvpers use dizzying swing anyway and wrecking blow can become a more focused spammableEdited by Aliyavana on August 16, 2018 7:41AM3 -
The_Camper✭✭✭✭✭Haha its no question that swing should have a slightly lowered damage instant cast morph. better question would be, why not?
*Laughs in stamina nightblade with surprise attack. a lower cost instant cast spammable with ALMOST same damage as the 1sec cast dizzying swing. WITH a major fracture debuff for 15 seconds and another 4 sec stun from sneak tagged along with it*
and people still argue whether there should be a 2H spammable which would be freely available for most classes as a choice.Edited by The_Camper on August 16, 2018 11:50AM6 -
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✭✭✭Am I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant.
For me the main problem is that it is very hard to land with all the lag
OMG, try hitting a wrecking blow in prime time vivec, such a mess
Truth. Some players are so ungodly latent. Servers are a mess at times, but going up against out of region players certainly isn’t a big help.0 -
HankTwo✭✭✭✭✭I already wrote this elsewhere but I'll write it again:
Imo, dizzying swing shouldn't break animation just because the target 'bumps' into you. The cast should continue as long as the target stays in the 7m radius of the skill. Wrecking blow on the other hand needs a bigger change, and I like the idea of a morph with no cast time but reduced damage.PC EU
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Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭
I like the skill on my stamblade but you mentioned why i don’t use it ._. I definitely agree it needs worked onAm I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant.
For me the main problem is that it is very hard to land with all the lag
OMG, try hitting a wrecking blow in prime time vivec, such a mess
And with the speed meta..smh i feel bad for stams without a true spammable0 -
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✭Am I the only one that feels like this? I can charge up my attack but a enemy can run shuffle, swift jewelry and speed pots and just run around me spamming spin to win and be rewarded with less effort. Dizzying swing just feels overall less viable especially in this speed meta but as a stam sorc I have not many options to run as a spammable. If only the other morph, wrecking blow, was a instant cast and then I would switch to that in a instant.
For me the main problem is that it is very hard to land with all the lag
This. I'm living/working in Asia, and since z0$ seems to care less about Asian and Oceanic players, I have to play at 300+ ping constantly in Cyrodiil. Sometimes it's even difficult to land it on guards because of the horrible lag. Against a good player using speed/immovability pots, it's very rare to land it. On my death recap, I can often see the same person hit me with it twice, even when I seemed to be blocking, dodging, healing etc. Must be nice to play with good latency. The windup on DS and the lag combined suck.0 -
revonine✭✭✭✭Oh man, wrecking blow into empowered Take Flight, those were the days.Edited by revonine on August 16, 2018 2:07PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The Murkmire Arena weapon will make it so, that every second cast of Uppercut is an instant cast
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BaylorCorvette✭✭✭✭✭As a StamSorc that is forced to take weapon ability skills for their damage, it's very annoying to have to use dizzying swing if you want burst. Between server lag in Cyrodiil and people running swift jewelry it is extremely difficult to land this. Really wish they would rework Wrecking Blow to be instant cast but with reduced damage in respect to Dizzying Swing.Supreme Leader Corvette - StamSorc
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Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Carve/Brawler is a decent spammable. It needs a pretty significant buff though.
Lose the slow bleed, increase the burst point of impact damage.4