Balancing is toxic to the game

ankeor · August 2018

While ZOS trying to (look like) balance the game they clearly fail at it most of the time and players (as you can see in forum) do not actually ask for balance for their favorite roles (except magdens), they want other roles to be nefred so they can feel terrible as well. Thus no one is pleased with what they get and game becomes a boring mess in time. My suggestion is, not trying to balance the game rather make everytinhg broken as hell at what they are doing as long as people knows what they are doing. We know no one in ZOS HQ has six stones to create a "perfectly balanced" game as no game can be. Let everything be broken and enjoy it.

AND WHEN EVERYTHING IS BROKEN, NOTHING WILL BE.

Ragebull · August 2018

Ok

Aznox · August 2018

Thank you for voicing your opinion.

I disagree.

Game is 98% balanced.

People are loosing their mind over the remaining 2%.

VaranisArano · August 2018

You know Syndrome was the villain, right?

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

You know Syndrome was the villain, right?

He was a villain but his inventions could have been used for the improvement of life in general. It's more for the last quote.

OP's Right. Traditional balancing hasn't worked with this game and hasn't made it fun. Put the Everquest Lite design back in the box, just let *** be fine again.

When everyone has an OP skill for PVP, *** will balance itself out. Just let people be powerfull enough to have some build freedom for crap sake.

ankeor · August 2018

Aznox wrote: »

Thank you for voicing your opinion.

I disagree.

Game is 98% balanced.

People are loosing their mind over the remaining 2%.

This is kind of a meme post tbh. I don't have any issue with the game apart from performance issues. I just think that we don't need to chase perfect balance since we can't achive it. Many game went downhill on that road.

VaranisArano wrote: »

You know Syndrome was the villain, right?

It doesn't mean he is wrong.

Waffennacht · August 2018

TTK would become a simple matter of a coin flip

DuskMarine · August 2018

lets be honest if they had more classes say around 10 they could balance the game so much easier than the current 5 we have. their limiting themselves and instead of actually balancing the game their only breaking it. in order for true balance we need 5 more classes cause you dont have enough counterability in the game right now for 5 classes. practically every patch something comes up broken for a class cause they cant get it right cause there is to few things to balance.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

lets be honest if they had more classes say around 10 they could balance the game so much easier than the current 5 we have. their limiting themselves and instead of actually balancing the game their only breaking it. in order for true balance we need 5 more classes cause you dont have enough counterability in the game right now for 5 classes. practically every patch something comes up broken for a class cause they cant get it right cause there is to few things to balance.

Oh god no, have you seen what happens when they try to make other classes? And specifically do so for PVP?

You get Warden, a class that's useless in PVE DPS and broken in PVP. No thank you.

Valrien · August 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

lets be honest if they had more classes say around 10 they could balance the game so much easier than the current 5 we have. their limiting themselves and instead of actually balancing the game their only breaking it. in order for true balance we need 5 more classes cause you dont have enough counterability in the game right now for 5 classes. practically every patch something comes up broken for a class cause they cant get it right cause there is to few things to balance.

Oh god no, have you seen what happens when they try to make other classes? And specifically do so for PVP?

You get Warden, a class that's useless in PVE DPS and broken in PVP. No thank you.

I still really can't see how Warden is broken for PvP

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

lets be honest if they had more classes say around 10 they could balance the game so much easier than the current 5 we have. their limiting themselves and instead of actually balancing the game their only breaking it. in order for true balance we need 5 more classes cause you dont have enough counterability in the game right now for 5 classes. practically every patch something comes up broken for a class cause they cant get it right cause there is to few things to balance.

Oh god no, have you seen what happens when they try to make other classes? And specifically do so for PVP?

You get Warden, a class that's useless in PVE DPS and broken in PVP. No thank you.

I still really can't see how Warden is broken for PvP

It was broken originally because the cliff racer couldn't be dodged and did crazy high damage and scaled really well. Then it was nerfed. And ZOS never bothered to buff any other aspect because they nerf, not buff, and the class languished as nothing more then a support class.

This is their modus operandi. They dont care if a class is underperforming which is why their balance approach doesn't work.

ak_pvp · August 2018

I liked the old game, pre warden and morrowind nerfbombs. It was best around the homestead era.

They added a lot of QoL to make classes better, but kept the "fun stuff." Megatanks, maluplars/DKs tanking 12 people and having a chance to kill some of them, blazing shield builds, proctato gankers, petsorcs with easily sustainable 30k shields streak and solid offense. Super speedy stam classes, magblade bombers pre proxy nerf.

Every playstyle was viable and had a strength, and whilst things were annoying, a good player had the ability to use the excess of resources and potential damage to kill and survive against whoever, all the cheese was kept in check by high skill ceilings.

shaielzafine · August 2018

ankeor wrote: »

We know no one in ZOS HQ has six stones to create a "perfectly balanced" game as no game can be. Let everything be broken and enjoy it.

AND WHEN EVERYTHING IS BROKEN, NOTHING WILL BE.

I will agree with you that their combat design team has not been doing a good job. But nobody enjoys gamebreaking bugs. At all.

usmguy1234 · August 2018

ankeor wrote: »

While ZOS trying to (look like) balance the game they clearly fail at it most of the time and players (as you can see in forum) do not actually ask for balance for their favorite roles (except magdens), they want other roles to be nefred so they can feel terrible as well. Thus no one is pleased with what they get and game becomes a boring mess in time. My suggestion is, not trying to balance the game rather make everytinhg broken as hell at what they are doing as long as people knows what they are doing. We know no one in ZOS HQ has six stones to create a "perfectly balanced" game as no game can be. Let everything be broken and enjoy it.

AND WHEN EVERYTHING IS BROKEN, NOTHING WILL BE.

Actually Zos just buffs the classes that their devs play and nerf the rest to oblivion.

ankeor · August 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

ankeor wrote: »

While ZOS trying to (look like) balance the game they clearly fail at it most of the time and players (as you can see in forum) do not actually ask for balance for their favorite roles (except magdens), they want other roles to be nefred so they can feel terrible as well. Thus no one is pleased with what they get and game becomes a boring mess in time. My suggestion is, not trying to balance the game rather make everytinhg broken as hell at what they are doing as long as people knows what they are doing. We know no one in ZOS HQ has six stones to create a "perfectly balanced" game as no game can be. Let everything be broken and enjoy it.

AND WHEN EVERYTHING IS BROKEN, NOTHING WILL BE.

Actually Zos just buffs the classes that their devs play and nerf the rest to oblivion.

lol

DuskMarine · August 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

lets be honest if they had more classes say around 10 they could balance the game so much easier than the current 5 we have. their limiting themselves and instead of actually balancing the game their only breaking it. in order for true balance we need 5 more classes cause you dont have enough counterability in the game right now for 5 classes. practically every patch something comes up broken for a class cause they cant get it right cause there is to few things to balance.

Oh god no, have you seen what happens when they try to make other classes? And specifically do so for PVP?

You get Warden, a class that's useless in PVE DPS and broken in PVP. No thank you.

its not broken in pvp its probly the most useless class in the game if their not running borderline heavy armor.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

lets be honest if they had more classes say around 10 they could balance the game so much easier than the current 5 we have. their limiting themselves and instead of actually balancing the game their only breaking it. in order for true balance we need 5 more classes cause you dont have enough counterability in the game right now for 5 classes. practically every patch something comes up broken for a class cause they cant get it right cause there is to few things to balance.

Oh god no, have you seen what happens when they try to make other classes? And specifically do so for PVP?

You get Warden, a class that's useless in PVE DPS and broken in PVP. No thank you.

its not broken in pvp its probly the most useless class in the game if their not running borderline heavy armor.

Then that's just confirmation on what I've been saying. They dont care if a class is underpowered.

More reason we should focus on making things reasonibly powerfull and fun to play. The game was fun pre-morrowind. Ever since morrowind, it hasn't been fun.

lassitershawn · August 2018

When I spam Balance I'm pretty sure my healers would agree with you.

Mr_Walker · August 2018

Very rare I see pve players begging for nerfs. Maybe it’s time to have skills affect pvp players in distinct ways, and zos can then concentrate on the endless nerfing merry-go-round without detrimentally affecting pve.

Gnortranermara · August 2018

Aznox wrote: »

Thank you for voicing your opinion.

I disagree.

Game is 98% balanced.

People are loosing their mind over the remaining 2%.

Sure... if you're just making up numbers, then that might be true in your own little world.

For anyone interested in actual facts, though, the DPS gap is far more than 2%. At the extremes, the best Wardens are still 30k+ behind the best Nightblades and Sorcs. Looking at average players, there's still a 10-20k gap. That's far more than 2%.

Fur_like_snow · August 2018

Won’t comment on PvE since that isn’t my thing but some sets and skills feel unbalanced in PvP which wouldn’t be a problem if it didn’t take 3-6 months for the “adjustment”.

Priyasekarssk · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

lets be honest if they had more classes say around 10 they could balance the game so much easier than the current 5 we have. their limiting themselves and instead of actually balancing the game their only breaking it. in order for true balance we need 5 more classes cause you dont have enough counterability in the game right now for 5 classes. practically every patch something comes up broken for a class cause they cant get it right cause there is to few things to balance.

Oh god no, have you seen what happens when they try to make other classes? And specifically do so for PVP?

You get Warden, a class that's useless in PVE DPS and broken in PVP. No thank you.

I still really can't see how Warden is broken for PvP

Make argonian stamina warden heavy armor. You are immortal god in PVP. Many people told DK also so overpowered on same level almost impossible to kill. Reason is argonian are immune to disease, poison and most of the defile debuff effects . On top of that heavy armor and healing bonus. Warden & DK are completely immune to range hits with wings and shimmering shields. With CC immunity and major expedition up , you are immortal god of PVP with blocking and resource passive. Only way to kill you is to get surrounded by 5-10 people and do *** tons of melee damage.

Seems DK is going to get more buffs in next patch as usual. I dont know what immortal gods will do . Probably ask more buffs for DK.

In PVE warden struggle even to produce sustained DPS. Warden is garbage in PVE dps when compared to other classes.

DanteYoda · August 2018

Buffing and nerfing is all pointless when their servers are unplayable..

Beardimus · August 2018

Balancing Is toxic. But more for the forum than the game.

Half the people I play with aren't even away of patch changes as they on console.

And most just copy and paste what the next streamer says lol when stuff does change.

Sharee · August 2018

"Balancing is toxic. Please leave my ability overpowered"

- love,
Me.

ak_pvp · August 2018

Sharee wrote: »

"Balancing is toxic. Please leave my ability overpowered"

- love,
Me.

Wasn't this literally you with sloads?

Qbiken · August 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

"Balancing is toxic. Please leave my ability overpowered"

- love,
Me.

Wasn't this literally you with sloads?

Nah, that was dwemer...

Azuramoonstar · August 2018

balance is an issue in all games. And it is impossible to fully balance a game.

Look at overwatch, hero buffs and nerfs almost happen on a daily basis. They buff skills, then nerf them, then buff them again, nerf them again and then just flat out change the skill all together to repeat the cycle.

when you use the same skills for pve and pvp it is hard to balance, people are going to find advantages to win. People complain when you buff one skill and nerf another.

devs try their best, but it will never be good enough.

Kikke · August 2018

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Thank you for voicing your opinion.

I disagree.

Game is 98% balanced.

People are loosing their mind over the remaining 2%.

Sure... if you're just making up numbers, then that might be true in your own little world.

For anyone interested in actual facts, though, the DPS gap is far more than 2%. At the extremes, the best Wardens are still 30k+ behind the best Nightblades and Sorcs. Looking at average players, there's still a 10-20k gap. That's far more than 2%.

Lies! A magden in my guild does 60k dps in trials.

Doctordarkspawn · August 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Thank you for voicing your opinion.

I disagree.

Game is 98% balanced.

People are loosing their mind over the remaining 2%.

Sure... if you're just making up numbers, then that might be true in your own little world.

For anyone interested in actual facts, though, the DPS gap is far more than 2%. At the extremes, the best Wardens are still 30k+ behind the best Nightblades and Sorcs. Looking at average players, there's still a 10-20k gap. That's far more than 2%.

Lies! A magden in my guild does 60k dps in trials.

Good for you. I'd go as far as to say most magdens dont achieve this.

Because the rotation is the rotation version of darksouls and most people dont got time for that.

Kikke · August 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Thank you for voicing your opinion.

I disagree.

Game is 98% balanced.

People are loosing their mind over the remaining 2%.

Sure... if you're just making up numbers, then that might be true in your own little world.

For anyone interested in actual facts, though, the DPS gap is far more than 2%. At the extremes, the best Wardens are still 30k+ behind the best Nightblades and Sorcs. Looking at average players, there's still a 10-20k gap. That's far more than 2%.

Lies! A magden in my guild does 60k dps in trials.

Good for you. I'd go as far as to say most magdens dont achieve this.

Because the rotation is the rotation version of darksouls and most people dont got time for that.

True xD but just sayin! It aint impossible