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DirkRavenclaw✭✭✭✭I use the ADdon, Im living in Germany/Dutch Border and European Privacy Laws just got beefed up, so heavy that i, for example, cant acces certain US Newspaper Pages. The addon cant monitor what i do in game without me allowing it to do this.Council Member of AtWritsEnd, Member of LoneWolfeHelp, Donor of GhostSeaTradingCO., Factor of EastEmpireTradingCO.,HonourGuard of ´DominionImperialGuard(DIG/PVP)
Master Crafter including Jewelry, i craft for Mats and Donation, always happy to help, if Im not in the Middle of PVP, i play since around 14 Months0 -
Runs✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭How reliable is this thing? I see the city the vendor is in, the name of the vendor and when I arrive there is no vendor by that name.....
Not sure if it's been mentioned but, it could be the name of the Outlaw's Refuge trader.Runs| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
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PC NA CP 1250+ and still a noob
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OrdoHermetica✭✭✭✭✭
✭By itself, TTC is of marginal usefulness. It tracks listings, not actual sales, and there's often a significant delay in updating information, as TTC updates only happen on /reloadui or logging. If you're trying to price things solely based on TTC info, you're going to struggle.
However, if you combine it with MM, it becomes much more useful. While real-time listings aren't exactly a strong point of TTC (though using its site to get a sense for where to look for things is still quite helpful), the addon excels at tracking global trends, since it's looking at all guilds, not just the ones you're in like MM/ATT does.
Basically, TTC will give you a feel for how to price things in a general sense, and can often warn you of sharp declines or increases in prices well before MM does, unless you happen to be in several of the busiest trade guilds in the game at the same time. If MM is telling you a price that's wildly out of line with TTC, then that's a red flag worth taking into consideration, because it means your guild is doing something weird with pricing more often than not.
So... yes, TTC is worth it. I use it every single day, several times a day. But it's not really a stand-alone tool.1 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭How reliable is this thing? I see the city the vendor is in, the name of the vendor and when I arrive there is no vendor by that name.....
it's reliable both in terms of the vendor and the actual pricing. What you see is data from actual listings. However these are listings seen by players with TTC addon active when scanning guild traders, not actual sales. So don't mistake the listings average necessarily being a very accurate representation of average prices. TTC is good to use to see where something is currently listed for sale, and also to possibly get a somewhat idea of price in case Master Merchant addon has no sales data for an item.1 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »
"a intrusive malware that watches everything you do in the game"...
Can I have some of whatever it is you are smoking?
Did your antivirus tell you that? Ever heard of something called "False positives"? You really shouldn't go around spreading such malicious rumors. TTC is a reputable addon/piece of software. But of course it does collect a bunch of data ingame... that's the whole point. Report the false positive to the developers of your antivirus and add the Client.exe to your antivirus exceptions list. Oh and you really should delete that comment before more people read it and believes your misinformation.
.Edited by Jayman1000 on August 16, 2018 3:10AM2 -
cheops✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesome
Are you using BitDefender by any chance?
The TTC client is an exe file running from your 'documents' folder and antivirus software looks out for that sort of thing. It does not mean that that it IS malware though.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
You need to provide some sort of evidence when you makes serious accusations like this.
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesomeMLGProPlayer wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
The site wouldn't exist without the add-on. And the add-on doesn't monitor anything that it doesn't say it monitors.
and actually the site would exist. theyd just have to check for stuff in various guild stores which i think they already do.
No, the site wouldn't exist without the add-on. It requires that people use the add-on to keep the listings up-to-date (the listings don't magically populate).
And your AV is throwing up false positives.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 16, 2018 3:34AM2 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭also, it doesn't update listings in real time, there is maybe an hour delay? so there is a good chance that listing you saw was uploaded by the very person who bought the item.
It is depending on user that scan Guild Stores and upload those prices to TTC server. Scanning takes time during which items might have been sold already. Each time a user interact with guild store game download a copy of database to client even without TTC add on, so that is how ESO work.
I haven't seen any indication on malware, so you could poster provide proof of this?
more or less what I said. if you are, say a TTC user and come across a great listing - you buy it, addon scans it, uploads it to site once you log out, or reload UI.. and... the listing shows up on the website, despite no longer existing in a store. it eventually gets removed from the website, when someone else scans listings in original store and the item is no longer there, but it can take a while. i've seen listings on TTC that say "last seen 8 hours ago" that are most definitely no longer in a store, but the site hasn't gotten updated yet. so generally, when using TTC to shop, I go by most recently seen and the price that is about average to MM sales data (personaly I always cross reference).
using TTC to find good deals is just about pointless. using TTC to narrow down your search to find an item, period is pretty decent. using it to cross reference prices with MM, I found to be VERY useful.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »The add-on is great ... the website is not great.
The website is arguably the best community resource in this game.
Before I discovered TTC, I would routinely spend 1-2 hours searching guild traders for a single item. Now I just search and go buy the item I need. What was a 1-2 hour process became 5 minutes.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 16, 2018 3:43AM5 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »also, it doesn't update listings in real time, there is maybe an hour delay? so there is a good chance that listing you saw was uploaded by the very person who bought the item.
It is depending on user that scan Guild Stores and upload those prices to TTC server. Scanning takes time during which items might have been sold already. Each time a user interact with guild store game download a copy of database to client even without TTC add on, so that is how ESO work.
I haven't seen any indication on malware, so you could poster provide proof of this?
more or less what I said. if you are, say a TTC user and come across a great listing - you buy it, addon scans it, uploads it to site once you log out, or reload UI.. and... the listing shows up on the website, despite no longer existing in a store. it eventually gets removed from the website, when someone else scans listings in original store and the item is no longer there, but it can take a while. i've seen listings on TTC that say "last seen 8 hours ago" that are most definitely no longer in a store, but the site hasn't gotten updated yet. so generally, when using TTC to shop, I go by most recently seen and the price that is about average to MM sales data (personaly I always cross reference).
using TTC to find good deals is just about pointless. using TTC to narrow down your search to find an item, period is pretty decent. using it to cross reference prices with MM, I found to be VERY useful.
I've found a ton of great deals using TTC.
vast majority of the time, by the time I get to the trader with that great deal listing, even when on the site it says "updated now" - its already gone. occasionally its still there, but the ratio of success to failure is so bad, that I've given up on using TTC to find deals. I scan listings as I'm at a trader and grab good deals if I find any, but otherwise, TTC is mostly to give me a general idea of where I could find a decent enough price on an item I'm looking for... or whether I can find it at all.
that said, website, rather then in game addon is fantastic to figure out general prices for Alinor furnishing patterns. why website? becasue of this absolutely moronic thing they did with item ideas where you get the same exact recipe with multiple vendor prices, depending on a level of the character you looted the recipe on. ugh. in game addon doesn't consolidate them. but web search - does.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***1 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesome
Are you using BitDefender by any chance?
The TTC client is an exe file running from your 'documents' folder and antivirus software looks out for that sort of thing. It does not mean that that it IS malware though.
malware bytes it pulls it everytime i have it and always classifies it as malware so i just dont mess with it. had a few techs even tell me if its saying that then thats what it is. so do i condone using the addon, since it comes up as malware heck no but the site yea thats something i use on a regular basis.0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesome
Are you using BitDefender by any chance?
The TTC client is an exe file running from your 'documents' folder and antivirus software looks out for that sort of thing. It does not mean that that it IS malware though.
malware bytes it pulls it everytime i have it and always classifies it as malware so i just dont mess with it. had a few techs even tell me if its saying that then thats what it is. so do i condone using the addon, since it comes up as malware heck no but the site yea thats something i use on a regular basis.
A lot of software gets flagged as "malware" because it might have functional similarities to some malware. That doesn't mean it is malware. It's just a false positive. Anti-virus software isn't smart. It read code in black and white.
You can't use the site and bash the add-on. It's extremely hypocritical as the site cannot exist without the add-on.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 16, 2018 5:12AM2 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesome
Are you using BitDefender by any chance?
The TTC client is an exe file running from your 'documents' folder and antivirus software looks out for that sort of thing. It does not mean that that it IS malware though.
malware bytes it pulls it everytime i have it and always classifies it as malware so i just dont mess with it. had a few techs even tell me if its saying that then thats what it is. so do i condone using the addon, since it comes up as malware heck no but the site yea thats something i use on a regular basis.
A lot of software gets flagged as "malware" because it might have functional similarities to some malware. That doesn't mean it is malware. It's just a false positive.
You can't use the site and bash the add-on. It's extremely hypocritical as the site cannot exist without the add-on.
actually its not hypocritical you can use a site but if they have something that your antivirus finds to be malware that youd have to download to get your info on there then you have every right to be against the addon. theres many sites on the internet some of their downloadable stuff can carry malware but their sites are beautiful. so its not hypocritical to talk different over one or the other based on a antivirus program. i just wont use the addon doesnt mean that im not allowed to share the experience with both. ive tried to fix it but it always flags it so am i willing to take a chance certainly not. someone else wants to use it go right ahead whos honestly stopping you.0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesome
Are you using BitDefender by any chance?
The TTC client is an exe file running from your 'documents' folder and antivirus software looks out for that sort of thing. It does not mean that that it IS malware though.
malware bytes it pulls it everytime i have it and always classifies it as malware so i just dont mess with it. had a few techs even tell me if its saying that then thats what it is. so do i condone using the addon, since it comes up as malware heck no but the site yea thats something i use on a regular basis.
A lot of software gets flagged as "malware" because it might have functional similarities to some malware. That doesn't mean it is malware. It's just a false positive.
You can't use the site and bash the add-on. It's extremely hypocritical as the site cannot exist without the add-on.
actually its not hypocritical you can use a site but if they have something that your antivirus finds to be malware that youd have to download to get your info on there then you have every right to be against the addon. theres many sites on the internet some of their downloadable stuff can carry malware but their sites are beautiful. so its not hypocritical to talk different over one or the other based on a antivirus program. i just wont use the addon doesnt mean that im not allowed to share the experience with both. ive tried to fix it but it always flags it so am i willing to take a chance certainly not. someone else wants to use it go right ahead whos honestly stopping you.
It's hypocritical because the website requires people to use the add-on in order to stay up-to-date. It wouldn't exist otherwise.
And you aren't sharing your experience with the add-on. The add-on hasn't harmed your computer in any way. You're just citing a false positive.
No one is saying you have to use the add-on, but to bash it while saying you use the website is beyond silly.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 16, 2018 5:20AM1 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesome
Are you using BitDefender by any chance?
The TTC client is an exe file running from your 'documents' folder and antivirus software looks out for that sort of thing. It does not mean that that it IS malware though.
malware bytes it pulls it everytime i have it and always classifies it as malware so i just dont mess with it. had a few techs even tell me if its saying that then thats what it is. so do i condone using the addon, since it comes up as malware heck no but the site yea thats something i use on a regular basis.
A lot of software gets flagged as "malware" because it might have functional similarities to some malware. That doesn't mean it is malware. It's just a false positive.
You can't use the site and bash the add-on. It's extremely hypocritical as the site cannot exist without the add-on.
actually its not hypocritical you can use a site but if they have something that your antivirus finds to be malware that youd have to download to get your info on there then you have every right to be against the addon. theres many sites on the internet some of their downloadable stuff can carry malware but their sites are beautiful. so its not hypocritical to talk different over one or the other based on a antivirus program. i just wont use the addon doesnt mean that im not allowed to share the experience with both. ive tried to fix it but it always flags it so am i willing to take a chance certainly not. someone else wants to use it go right ahead whos honestly stopping you.
It's hypocritical because the website requires people to use the add-on in order to stay up-to-date. It wouldn't exist otherwise.
And you aren't sharing your experience with the add-on. The add-on hasn't harmed your computer in any way. You're just citing a false positive.
No one is saying you have to use the add-on, but to bash it while saying you use the website is beyond silly.
your era with how the internet works makes no sense lol. you can talk about a website being good but you are allowed to warn people if you find something off about it. false positive or not its better to air on the side of precaution just incase. and after every addon i download i always scan my computer after it comes in to make sure nothing tagged along. so once again its not hypocritical to use a site but talk about something within the site that you can get from its potential problems. again this isnt the only site of its kind so your really getting mad for no real reason outside of you think im talking down on it when im really not just mentioning a discovery. you can do with information as you please.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesome
Are you using BitDefender by any chance?
The TTC client is an exe file running from your 'documents' folder and antivirus software looks out for that sort of thing. It does not mean that that it IS malware though.
malware bytes it pulls it everytime i have it and always classifies it as malware so i just dont mess with it. had a few techs even tell me if its saying that then thats what it is. so do i condone using the addon, since it comes up as malware heck no but the site yea thats something i use on a regular basis.
Antivirus software use heuristics that look for certain traits and behavior in executables. The software doesn't actually know if the exe is malware because it doesn't know whether or not you want it to do what it is doing. There is a lot of functionality of software that can look like malware even when that software is doing nothing harmful and only what you want it to do. I have no idea what is going in this case, but you should be able to see how a program designed to pull data from another program and send it over the Internet is the kind of thing you would want to flag to be safe. Since the addon is not well known software, antivirus software likely won't know to not flag it.
It is clear you aren't going to back off your claim, but think about this. You are insisting it is malware despite having no knowledge of it doing anything unwanted.2 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
its just what my antivirus says so i dont touch it with a ten foot pole. but the site is awesome
Are you using BitDefender by any chance?
The TTC client is an exe file running from your 'documents' folder and antivirus software looks out for that sort of thing. It does not mean that that it IS malware though.
malware bytes it pulls it everytime i have it and always classifies it as malware so i just dont mess with it. had a few techs even tell me if its saying that then thats what it is. so do i condone using the addon, since it comes up as malware heck no but the site yea thats something i use on a regular basis.
Antivirus software use heuristics that look for certain traits and behavior in executables. The software doesn't actually know if the exe is malware because it doesn't know whether or not you want it to do what it is doing. There is a lot of functionality of software that can look like malware even when that software is doing nothing harmful and only what you want it to do. I have no idea what is going in this case, but you should be able to see how a program designed to pull data from another program and send it over the Internet is the kind of thing you would want to flag to be safe. Since the addon is not well known software, antivirus software likely won't know to not flag it.
It is clear you aren't going to back off your claim, but think about this. You are insisting it is malware despite having no knowledge of it doing anything unwanted.
but its always better to be safe than sorry in any case correct? its merely just a antivirus bringing it up. but it is still something people should know in any case. we have antiviruses for a reason. but its better that people know about its potential and the maker see that its being brought up by an antivirus as something its not intended to be. it always goes on information is what you do with it. and a very trusted antivirus/antimalware program flagging does bring up some flags that something might not be right with it. but if the creator sees this then they could tweak it so it wont come up as this. im no stranger to getting addons for games so i scan everything i get. but its always good to bring it up so the issue can be raised then it can be tweaked if it needs to be.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »The add-on is great ... the website is not great.
LOL. The website is great, the addon not so much. Though some people have to used it to get the uploaded data.
You need to get your facts straight.0 -
Armatesz✭✭✭✭✭Carbonised wrote: »But isn’t something like this open to abuse?.. it does not tell you if the item no longer listed was sold or removed from listing status which says to me that anybody (or even worse a group of people) could inflate average market prices by schil listing items, browsing the guild store so these items get added to the database and then removing them from the store. Over a period of time in demand items could be forced to be more expensive than they necessarily need to be and then the dishonest seller/s relist at what seems to be super cheap price all of a sudden and get the vast majority of sales.
TTC isn't MM.
In any case, I see 20 paranoid speculations about 'price fixing' and MM for every 1 -actual- price fixing via MM.
It's heavily overrated how much 'price fixing' that goes on on the trade market.
If you go on xbox na and look at the guild traders it becomes apparent of a year looking through guild traders that ttc looks to be price fixing. Perhaps because no basis of a flat rate being for any said item kinda complicates things or maybe something else.Ärmätèsz
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Carbonised wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »The add-on is great ... the website is not great.
LOL. The website is great, the addon not so much. Though some people have to used it to get the uploaded data.
You need to get your facts straight.
OK, here are the facts on the website:
- Website listings aren’t real time ... you can head to a trader listing only to find the item not there.
- The website is definitely not console-friendly. Listings for Xbox and PS4 are few and far between.
- Not everyone or every guild participates in TTC ... even on PC. Therefore, you’re never sure you’re getting the best deal.0 -
Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »The add-on is great ... the website is not great.
LOL. The website is great, the addon not so much. Though some people have to used it to get the uploaded data.
You need to get your facts straight.
OK, here are the facts on the website:
- Website listings aren’t real time ... you can head to a trader listing only to find the item not there.
- The website is definitely not console-friendly. Listings for Xbox and PS4 are few and far between.
- Not everyone or every guild participates in TTC ... even on PC. Therefore, you’re never sure you’re getting the best deal.
- The website shows when the data was uploaded last time, so if the data is less than 1-2 hours old, the chances of the item being there is large. Yes, I have also gone to a trader for an item that had been sold, but it sure beats going to 30 traders at random just to hope to find the item there at pure chance.
- It's an addon for PC users, I know it doesn't really work for consoles, but I'm a PC user and it works great for me, and others on PC
- Plainly false. Everyone uploads data to the website from all guilds simply from visiting them with the addon, and I can assure you that every guild trader on the entire server is represented, even the tiny ones in outlaw refuges or out in the middle of nowhere. The website also stores the listed item and price for some time after it has been sold, for comparison when you do searches.
Edit: The fact of the matter is that the website is GREAT for looking for rare and unique items, such as weapons for a special set that is rarely sold, I have found several of these through the website, sometimes that item being the only one listed on the entire server at the time of my search. I have also found LOADS of rare furniture pieces, simply by looking them up. And most importantly, I have found almost all my rare furniture plans via the website, sometimes sold from traders out in the middle of nowhere, where I would NEVER have found the recipe on my own, if I was just browsing traders as usual. There is plenty negative to say about TTC and its incluence on the trading market, but the fact of the matter is that for buyers it's a GREAT source to easily find especially rarer stuff such as motif pieces, recipes and such.Edited by Carbonised on August 16, 2018 7:01AM1 -
Carbonised✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Carbonised wrote: »But isn’t something like this open to abuse?.. it does not tell you if the item no longer listed was sold or removed from listing status which says to me that anybody (or even worse a group of people) could inflate average market prices by schil listing items, browsing the guild store so these items get added to the database and then removing them from the store. Over a period of time in demand items could be forced to be more expensive than they necessarily need to be and then the dishonest seller/s relist at what seems to be super cheap price all of a sudden and get the vast majority of sales.
TTC isn't MM.
In any case, I see 20 paranoid speculations about 'price fixing' and MM for every 1 -actual- price fixing via MM.
It's heavily overrated how much 'price fixing' that goes on on the trade market.
If you go on xbox na and look at the guild traders it becomes apparent of a year looking through guild traders that ttc looks to be price fixing. Perhaps because no basis of a flat rate being for any said item kinda complicates things or maybe something else.
There are very few listings on TTC on consoles, which probably makes it easier to coordinate. I'm on PC, and there is very little price fixing on PC. Many cases that seem to be "price fixing" is actually just the collective user base reading the signs and trends on the market and increasing their prices accordingly, you know, like people do in real life circumstances as well.1 -
Armatesz✭✭✭✭✭Carbonised wrote: »Carbonised wrote: »But isn’t something like this open to abuse?.. it does not tell you if the item no longer listed was sold or removed from listing status which says to me that anybody (or even worse a group of people) could inflate average market prices by schil listing items, browsing the guild store so these items get added to the database and then removing them from the store. Over a period of time in demand items could be forced to be more expensive than they necessarily need to be and then the dishonest seller/s relist at what seems to be super cheap price all of a sudden and get the vast majority of sales.
TTC isn't MM.
In any case, I see 20 paranoid speculations about 'price fixing' and MM for every 1 -actual- price fixing via MM.
It's heavily overrated how much 'price fixing' that goes on on the trade market.
If you go on xbox na and look at the guild traders it becomes apparent of a year looking through guild traders that ttc looks to be price fixing. Perhaps because no basis of a flat rate being for any said item kinda complicates things or maybe something else.
There are very few listings on TTC on consoles, which probably makes it easier to coordinate. I'm on PC, and there is very little price fixing on PC. Many cases that seem to be "price fixing" is actually just the collective user base reading the signs and trends on the market and increasing their prices accordingly, you know, like people do in real life circumstances as well.
Yeah on console it becomes apparent that the ttc is using data from a guild trader in mournhold. Nowhere else is the data reflecting an honest holding of the pricing of items which makes its system flawed on console. From what I can deduce it is not something to take serious on console. It is safer just to consider the suggestions mostly null and void, from a console perspective of course.Ärmätèsz
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✭Yeah on console it becomes apparent that the ttc is using data from a guild trader in mournhold. Nowhere else is the data reflecting an honest holding of the pricing of items which makes its system flawed on console. From what I can deduce it is not something to take serious on console. It is safer just to consider the suggestions mostly null and void, from a console perspective of course.
must... resist... urge to.. post... pc.... masterrace meme....
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