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Should Veteran Maelstrom Weapons be Available in the Crown Store?
Mattock_Romulus
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The consensus of the Pay to Win thread seems to be that it's ok for items to be in the crown store so long as said items are available in game. What do you think?
Should Veteran Maelstrom Weapons be Available in the Crown Store? 299 votes
Yes! Explain.
9%
28 votes
No! Explain.
87%
263 votes
Other! Explain.
2%
8 votes
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No! Explain.LOL NO. you want vma weapons you earn them, if you cant earn them then you possibly don't need them.Edited by Aliyavana on August 14, 2018 11:56PM12 -
Celeste411✭✭✭No! Explain.Absolutely not. And I say that as someone who is still stuck on round 5 >.<5 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No! Explain.Ugh
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No.
Are you sure that was the conclusion?
I’m not even capable of doing VMA and it would be a boon to me and I still think that’s a horrible idea. No. No? No.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No! Explain.This isnt Elder Scrolls: Pay To Win. Jump into VMA and get your weapons like everyone else.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax6 -
TheInfernalRage✭✭✭✭✭No! Explain.I don't think I need to explain. NO NO NO NO NO. HELL NO.
I haven't passed vMA myself, but anything PAY TO WIN is cancer.5 -
Wa2p✭✭✭No! Explain.So, despite the assumed consensus from that thread. Actual weapons and armor shouldn't be buy-able as those should come from playing the game, despite definitions of what "Pay to Win" means there is a "Moral" definition as well (moral being used here because I can't think of a better word.) For example (cosmetic), by definition trial skins could be offered in the crown store, because it's a cosmetic and also you can earn it in game. "morally" though, people would see that as cheating your experience, meaning if I got the vHoF skin, it could be that I have deep pockets or I did the trial; if it's the former I am a liar.
Weapons and armor add a whole other factor to this, as it is pay to succeed. I won't say win because maelstrom, master, etc. items don't make you win, they can help facilitate a victory in whatever condition you want to succeed (though if you're pulling 9k dps without congrats you now have ~13k dps with them). People who have gotten them believe the journey is substantial in one understanding their build/character/limits/abilities etc. The weapons themselves are proof of that learning. By offering them for purchase the journey itself is lost, thus the value from having them is also lost, and therefore fake. Yes, there are those that want to lord over with their supreme drops because they are super awesome and the best. But as I said, they don't make you win, they just help a bit. So while by definition it's not 'pay to win' it's "morally" pay to win.
[removed baiting comment] there is more to words then the outright definition. There is a moral, sociological, perceptive point as well that is often not considered with a definition (also not to split hairs, because p2w is thrown around all the time, when it's really not or people wanting to treat one thing like the other because as people we like our very simple and restrictive boxes.
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*edit for some silly spelling issues due to auto correct.Edited by ZOS_JesC on August 15, 2018 1:29PM3 -
DorianDragonRaze✭✭✭✭No! Explain.No! No pay-to-win, that's all.I used to be an adventurer like you, then I got the ESO on my hard drive...1 -
Swifigames✭✭✭I would think not.
But then again...what if they could calculate how many times you've died in VMA trying and to what stage you made it?
Like take me, for example...
I've never finished *giggidy...it's no joke.
I took a break from it yesterday. But the previous few days I've spent countless hours trying and failing on the absolute final stage. I can occasionally make it past the first round of crystals and usually end up dead shortly after. Hours, thousands of gold in repairs, more than a stack of soul gems, more pots than I can remember have been burned through...only for failure.
Calculate all that up, and for qualifying participants you can just buy a random VMA drop in the CS for cash.
....on second thought forget that idea. It's tough and I'm somewhat angry about how difficult it is, but by golly it just is what it is.
I just hope I can finish it soon. I'm getting ptsd thinking about going back in."We don't want other worlds, we want mirrors." - Gibarian
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ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No! Explain.Swifigames wrote: »I would think not.
But then again...what if they could calculate how many times you've died in VMA trying and to what stage you made it?
Like take me, for example...
I've never finished *giggidy...it's no joke.
I took a break from it yesterday. But the previous few days I've spent countless hours trying and failing on the absolute final stage. I can occasionally make it past the first round of crystals and usually end up dead shortly after. Hours, thousands of gold in repairs, more than a stack of soul gems, more pots than I can remember have been burned through...only for failure.
Calculate all that up, and for qualifying participants you can just buy a random VMA drop in the CS for cash.
....on second thought forget that idea. It's tough and I'm somewhat angry about how difficult it is, but by golly it just is what it is.
I just hope I can finish it soon. I'm getting ptsd thinking about going back in.
You can do it .
Save the clip and watch over and over , find out the mistakes and try the best to avoid next time .
Everything is same in VMA except stage 7 poison mushrooms location keep it going ! 0 -
gepe87✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other! Explain.No. But deconstruct X MS weapons to get the desired one should be enough.Gepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
If you see edits on my replies: typos. English isn't my main language0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No! Explain.Absolutely *** not.
Droppable on Normal, certainly. Buyable? No.2 -
mateosalvaje✭✭✭✭No! Explain.No. It took me 2 years to beat the first time. I would take season-long breaks after getting so frustrated I wanted to tear my face off. I wanted a lightning staff, but got a battle axe. If I ever do get that lightning staff, it'll be because I earned it. The thought of just buying it makes me feel icky inside. No.I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again.0 -
mateosalvaje✭✭✭✭No! Explain.So, despite the assumed consensus from that thread. Actual weapons and armor shouldn't be buy-able as those should come from playing the game, despite definitions of what "Pay to Win" means there is a "Moral" definition as well (moral being used here because I can't think of a better word.) For example (cosmetic), by definition trial skins could be offered in the crown store, because it's a cosmetic and also you can earn it in game. "morally" though, people would see that as cheating your experience, meaning if I got the vHoF skin, it could be that I have deep pockets or I did the trial; if it's the former I am a liar.
Weapons and armor add a whole other factor to this, as it is pay to succeed. I won't say win because maelstrom, master, etc. items don't make you win, they can help facilitate a victory in whatever condition you want to succeed (though if you're pulling 9k dps without congrats you now have ~13k dps with them). People who have gotten them believe the journey is substantial in one understanding their build/character/limits/abilities etc. The weapons themselves are proof of that learning. By offering them for purchase the journey itself is lost, thus the value from having them is also lost, and therefore fake. Yes, there are those that want to lord over with their supreme drops because they are super awesome and the best. But as I said, they don't make you win, they just help a bit. So while by definition it's not 'pay to win' it's "morally" pay to win.
So while you're likely trolling, there is more to words then the outright definition. There is a moral, sociological, perceptive point as well that is often not considered with a definition (also not to split hairs, because p2w is thrown around all the time, when it's really not or people wanting to treat one thing like the other because as people we like our very simple and restrictive boxes. )
*edit for some silly spelling issues due to auto correct.
I agree with everything you said, but fake people ALREADY pay millions of gold to buy skins
Edited by mateosalvaje on August 15, 2018 1:45AMI've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again.0 -
Wa2p✭✭✭No! Explain.mateosalvaje wrote: »
and that's frustrating for people, because it's a lie. I get it's a money making tactic for the hardcore players, given there is little money at either PVE or PVP endgame. But still at least that's in game money, not actual money, they at least excelled in some part of the community even if that's economy. Pulling out ones wallet requires little effort. Even more so if they have the payment information saved.0 -
BretonMage✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No! Explain.I'm usually not a competitive player, and I don't care about stats or showing off or whatever, but I do believe that hard-earned rewards should probably not be purchaseable.1 -
imredneckson✭✭✭✭✭No! Explain.Mattock_Romulus wrote: »The consensus of the Pay to Win thread seems to be that it's ok for items to be in the crown store so long as said items are available in game. What do you think?
I have never beaten VMA since well I suck at PvE content but no they should not be offered in Crownstore. That is 100% pay to win and its a spit in the eye of everyone who has worked hard to beat and farm VMA.Legions of Mordor Guild Officer
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✭✭✭✭✭No! Explain.I do not think I need to explain. Also, there was no consensus in any thread that suggested it was ok to sell top gear in the crown store.0 -
VilniusNastavnik✭✭✭✭✭No! Explain.VMA is cancer with oceanic ping so I just downright refuse to do it. Even still.. I would not want people to buy the weapons.Active Toons:
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Meld777✭✭✭✭✭Yes! Explain.
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭No! Explain.if they do this youll see the games population die in hours of release of it this would nail esos coffin way early. now if they sold the cosmetic version i wouldnt be against that but the weapons hahahahaha NO!!!0 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes! Explain.VMA is quite a bit easier with vMA weapons. Don’t worry, people that need to buy them aren’t gonna be pushing trial scores.0 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭No! Explain.kylewwefan wrote: »VMA is quite a bit easier with vMA weapons. Don’t worry, people that need to buy them aren’t gonna be pushing trial scores.
@kylewwefan if this happens the games population will drop dead in hours of the release so no horrible idea cause itll kill the game way to early in its life cycle1 -
Thunderknuckles✭✭✭✭No! Explain.TheInfernalRage wrote: »I don't think I need to explain. NO NO NO NO NO. HELL NO.
I haven't passed vMA myself, but anything PAY TO WIN is cancer.
Yeah it is, and IF they did that the things would cost 40K crowns each.0
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