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So Can We Nerf Fear And Fossilize Next?
Valrien
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Logically, that would be the next move for ZOS to make, seeing as how Fossilize is effectively a double CC (which means to fully remove it, you need to consume twice the stamina) and Fear sends you running off into a random (potentially catastrophic) direction and is only a little bit easier to break free from than Rune Cage.
Then again, these aren't Sorc or Templar abilities so I suppose they don't really need nerfing /s
Then again, these aren't Sorc or Templar abilities so I suppose they don't really need nerfing /s
Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Been waiting on Fear's ridiculous animation problems for a long, long time. I don't like that Fossilize is a double CC, but I haven't had problems reliably breaking the hard or soft with it.2 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Give fear and fossilize the same range as rune cage then we can talk pal
DK is a melee class and NB has a reliable gap closer, pal.
In other words, what good would a ranged Fossilize do and why would it matter what range Fear was for NB if they can be on your ass 24/7?Edited by Valrien on August 13, 2018 5:00PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Logically, that would be the next move for ZOS to make, seeing as how Fossilize is effectively a double CC (which means to fully remove it, you need to consume twice the stamina) and Fear sends you running off into a random (potentially catastrophic) direction and is only a little bit easier to break free from than Rune Cage.
Then again, these aren't Sorc or Templar abilities so I suppose they don't really need nerfing /s
you cant nerf fear period thats impossible. its basically melee range required and it makes you of course run away in fear. if you have issues with that break free is your friend if that doesnt work it becomes a l2p issue. fossilize i can agree as a dk players its really annoying but good for me. but again you can break free of it almost immediately.2 -
PuddingZebra✭✭✭They already slightly nerfed fear.
"Aspect of Terror: Decreased the duration of the snare from this ability and its morphs to 2 seconds from 4 seconds."
While it's not too much, it makes it easier to escape.
Fossilize costs quite a chunk of magicka as far as I know and has melee range.
Fear has even less range, and is quite a different type of CC.(you dont get stuck in one place)
Nerfing them even in the slightest would render them inferior to other CCs. and I really dont want them removing even more class diversity
You see, I am a Pink Flying Pudding Zebra.4 -
GawdSB✭✭✭✭✭Bro you’re so salty. Not all classes are the same, if you start doing this I want my DK to get an execute.27
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✭✭✭PuddingZebra wrote: »They already slightly nerfed fear.
"Aspect of Terror: Decreased the duration of the snare from this ability and its morphs to 2 seconds from 4 seconds."
While it's not too much, it makes it easier to escape.
Fossilize costs quite a chunk of magicka as far as I know and has melee range.
Fear has even less range, and is quite a different type of CC.(you dont get stuck in one place)
They should be able to be dodged.PuddingZebra wrote: »Nerfing them even in the slightest would render them inferior to other CCs. and I really dont want them removing even more class diversity
Welcome to the world of SorcsValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭Bro you’re so salty. Not all classes are the same, if you start doing this I want my DK to get an execute.
I'll give you mine if I can get Templar's or NB's. I hate Wrath so much.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »
In PvP it's pretty good. I can live without it though. I want a solid PvE execute that isn't just Bloodthirsty.
It has a delayed burst, big deal. I don't care about that, I want higher damage and higher activation threshold. Take the delay away for all I care lol
Edited by Valrien on August 13, 2018 5:13PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭✭✭Up until the recent Rune Cage nonsense, Fear was my absolute most-despised ability to get hit with in this game. Oh, how I despise it and despise whomever put it in the game! Being out of control of your character simply isn't fun in any circumstance, but watching him/her just run off in a random direction is pretty much miserable. And getting feared into lava in Battlegrounds? Grrrrr. I loathe it, and I honestly refuse to use it on other players also.
That said, this is all pure emotional reaction. Rationally, I know I'm probably wrong and it totally belongs in the game."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
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✭✭✭Wowee an OP CC gets nerfed and of course someone has to cry about it, yeah it sucks, no good CC and wrath dodgable, but reach sorcs were passable. How many threads is this now? For the love of got someone put stun back on frags so that this man can stop.
NB and DKs CCs are under a quarter of cage's max range, low/no dmg, and can't be lined up with a combo that guarantees death on even tankier characters.
"What would a ranged fossilize do" Allow DKs to control higher ranged opponents better, because last patch a sorc/NB both had better CC potential.Edited by ak_pvp on August 13, 2018 5:13PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭DuskMarine wrote: »
In PvP it's pretty good. I can live without it though. I want a solid PvE execute that isn't just Bloodthirsty.
what sorc executes in pve your damage is much higher without it.0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Wowee an OP CC gets nerfed and of course someone has to cry about it, yeah it sucks, no good CC and wrath dodgable, but reach sorcs were passable. How many threads is this now? For the love of got someone put stun back on frags so that this man can stop.
NB and DKs CCs are under a quarter of cage's max range, low/no dmg, and can't be lined up with a combo that guarantees death on even tankier characters.
A class gets nerfed into a really bad state and people complain about it...oh, the humanity.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
In PvP it's pretty good. I can live without it though. I want a solid PvE execute that isn't just Bloodthirsty.
what sorc executes in pve your damage is much higher without it.
...that's the point. That's literally the point I just made.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Give fear and fossilize the same range as rune cage then we can talk pal
Give all ridiculous debuffs that NB produces from range in cloak . PAL . Sorc not even have 1 minor debuff.
We can talk about runcage later. NB requires no skill. All NB needs is how to cloak thats it. Heavy attack + incap. Or cloak + lethal arrow spam. stream it and earn lot of money. Great skill. All are instant skill. No dynamic rotation. Just make a macro. Problem solved. Have molag kena + clever alchemist. Have ridiculous weapon damage. Get out of fight whenever we want. When fullly buffed 5K weapon damage and guranteed crit, Just 2 heavy attacks kill 80 percent of the players. No lethal arrow , no debuffs. Just 2 heavy attacks.
Medidate while hidden. Now NB can see whoever uses detection pots. I cannot see who debuffed me. Have ridculous dps in PVE. Kick every other dps class in vet trials. Dont release stats and all numbers to public.
Answer to all ZOs *** bias. Roll out a NB or DK and never look back. Learn how to cloak and how to use shadow image. NB is greatest example of pay to win. ESO is pay to win model . Which ever class has more streamers , say NB & DK they will be always ridicuslously overpowered with all class passives. Classes which are not have garbage class passives.
Oh wait runcage is stopping it. Nerf it to the ground and continue the killing spree. NB & DK should be always be master class.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 13, 2018 5:28PM4 -
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✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
In PvP it's pretty good. I can live without it though. I want a solid PvE execute that isn't just Bloodthirsty.
what sorc executes in pve your damage is much higher without it.
...that's the point. That's literally the point I just made.
you said with bloodthirsty im talking even without that your damage is still better to just keep doing your rotation.0 -
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✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
In PvP it's pretty good. I can live without it though. I want a solid PvE execute that isn't just Bloodthirsty.
what sorc executes in pve your damage is much higher without it.
...that's the point. That's literally the point I just made.
you said with bloodthirsty im talking even without that your damage is still better to just keep doing your rotation.
Again, that's the point. The execute is not worth using, unlike Radiant and Impale. Bloodthirsty is good because your entire rotation turns into an execute.Edited by Valrien on August 13, 2018 5:19PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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RobZha✭✭✭Leave fossilize alone, nerfer!
(Other classes are fine with nerfs though, bring it on!)0 -
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✭✭✭Wowee an OP CC gets nerfed and of course someone has to cry about it, yeah it sucks, no good CC and wrath dodgable, but reach sorcs were passable. How many threads is this now? For the love of got someone put stun back on frags so that this man can stop.
NB and DKs CCs are under a quarter of cage's max range, low/no dmg, and can't be lined up with a combo that guarantees death on even tankier characters.
A class gets nerfed into a really bad state and people complain about it...oh, the humanity.
"Really bad state"
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »
I am happy to hit by runecage than fossilize or fear any day. Who cares about balance or counter play.
" Fossilize is useless ?"
Pleae make a magic sorc. Magic sorc is overpowered right ? I already made a NB & DK , because magic sorc is garbage.. Lets play 1v1 and prove lets which class is overpowered.0 -
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✭✭Logically, that would be the next move for ZOS to make, seeing as how Fossilize is effectively a double CC (which means to fully remove it, you need to consume twice the stamina) and Fear sends you running off into a random (potentially catastrophic) direction and is only a little bit easier to break free from than Rune Cage.
Then again, these aren't Sorc or Templar abilities so I suppose they don't really need nerfing /s
If they increase the range to match rune cage's, then sure
Oh and add some damage to fear aswell.Edited by Master_Kas on August 13, 2018 5:38PMEU | PC4 -
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✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
I am happy to hit by runecage than fossilize or fear any day. Who cares about balance or counter play.
" Fossilize is useless ?"
Pleae make a magic sorc. Magic sorc is overpowered right ? I already made a NB & DK , because magic sorc is garbage.. Lets play 1v1 and prove lets which class is overpowered.
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✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Give fear and fossilize the same range as rune cage then we can talk pal
Range is not the only issue.
Fear gets multiple targets and NBs have a gap closer and more front burst than anyone. They also have the best escape tool of anyone. I believe Fear is also the worst annimation of the bunch, as you are always going to take at least 2-3 steps in some awkward direction.
Fossilize is a double CC (both hard and soft), and plays right into a DKs toolkit of a pressure melee class. Both go through block and dodge, both have the same inherent CC break and Immunity problems that compound this problem. How about you only get immobilized if the CC runs it's course?
RC is certainly the least powerful skill of the three at this point.
ZOS missed the mark completely with rune cage. Yes it was overperforming, but nothing they did fixed the problem. Lets also not forget that the buff was a response to a HUGE nerf to our most class defining skill, Frags. The biggest problem is the animation has a weird delay, and CC is just broken half the time. Did they fix that? NOPE. The second biggest problem was the range, especially with keep buffs. The obvious solution here was to bring in somewhere in the middle, like a gap closer range, for some balance and to fit the rest of the toolkit. Of course, they didnt do that.
The damage was not the issue, I would take a followup immobilize over a bit of damage any day. What they did was make that part of the skill completely meaningless. If you stay in a hard CC for 3 seconds against a good player, you are toast no matter what.
Making it undodeable is just a stamblade (the most OP class in the game in both PVE and PVP) buff. Sure it benefits other stam classes, but nobody makes use of the rolly polly evade playstyle better than stamblade, and they can do it in Heavy Armor if they want. To add insult to injury, the sloads nerf looks like it was written by a group of stamblades. Getting a little silly at this point, and they nerfed our ability to detect them by giving it a visual.
I dont think I have ever read patchnotes that indirectly buff one class as much as these do.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on August 13, 2018 5:52PM3 -
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✭Logically let's nerf everything. Then we can uninstall the game and play something else. I'm so tired of these nerf threads. Let's see, logically, since rune cage nerf was a huge buff to stam nb and other med classes, we should just nerf them, right? L2PEdited by ZarkingFrued on August 13, 2018 6:09PM1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ZarkingFrued wrote: »Logically let's nerf everything. Then we can uninstall the game and play something else. I'm so tired of these nerf threads. Let's see, logically, since rune cage nerf was a huge buff to stam nb and other med classes, we should just nerf them, right? L2P
Obligatory L2P after completely unnecessary nerf.
You guys are just filling out all of my scavenger hunt today.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Give fear and fossilize the same range as rune cage then we can talk pal
Range is not the only issue.
Fear gets multiple targets and NBs have a gap closer and more front burst than anyone. They also have the best escape tool of anyone. I believe Fear is also the worst annimation of the bunch, as you are always going to take at least 2-3 steps in some awkward direction.
Fossilize is a double CC (both hard and soft), and plays right into a DKs toolkit of a pressure melee class. Both go through block and dodge, both have the same inherent CC break and Immunity problems that compound this problem. How about you only get immobilized if the CC runs it's course?
RC is certainly the least powerful skill of the three at this point.
ZOS missed the mark completely with rune cage. Yes it was overperforming, but nothing they did fixed the problem. Lets also not forget that the buff was a response to a HUGE nerf to our most class defining skill, Frags. The biggest problem is the animation has a weird delay, and CC is just broken half the time. Did they fix that? NOPE. The second biggest problem was the range, especially with keep buffs. The obvious solution here was to bring in somewhere in the middle, like a gap closer range, for some balance and to fit the rest of the toolkit. Of course, they didnt do that.
The damage was not the issue, I would take a followup immobilize over a bit of damage any day. What they did was make that part of the skill completely meaningless. If you stay in a hard CC for 3 seconds against a good player, you are toast no matter what.
Making it undodeable is just a stamblade (the most OP class in the game in both PVE and PVP) buff. Sure it benefits other stam classes, but nobody makes use of the rolly polly evade playstyle better than stamblade, and they can do it in Heavy Armor if they want. To add insult to injury, the sloads nerf looks like it was written by a group of stamblades. Getting a little silly at this point, and they nerfed our ability to detect them by giving it a visual.
I dont think I have ever read patchnotes that indirectly buff one class as much as these do.
I believe you are too late. I realized this very early when compared to many top player standards. I believe . ESO is made for NBs & DKs. Its kind of pay to win, since most streamers are using only NBs & DKS for long time. See proc sets. Hardly anything for sorcs. Almost 30 percent of class passives are garabge for magic sorc for PVP. No debuffs included. Its a group of NBs & DKs are making class balance. Class representative is a joke. Nb requires almost only one skill how to cloak and land incap or land 2 lethal arrows. You have your kill.
You cannot macro sorc. You can literally macro DK & NB. You need to have a lot of skill to pull sorc combo.
I think I made a better decision by abandoning magic sorc. Even in PVE its not great either. Getting kicked for vet trials. Pets will never be fixed nor viable. Never get a PVP specific proc set.
Any NB issue it will be fixed asap. Its called pay to win. If you are good player in magic sorc , trust me you will become god when you choose to play NB or DK.Edited by Priyasekarssk on August 13, 2018 7:31PM1