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In PvP, can a StamDK beat a MagDK, both with S&B in both bars?
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Assuming the two players have the same level of experience, so the fight is balanced in that way, can a Stamina DK beat a Magicka DK in a duel, both of them using one-handed weapon and shield in both bars?
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AngelFires333✭✭✭✭✭I know nothing about it.
Tho I would imagine it depends on many factors.
Skill, gear etc.
Why Don't you go into Cyro as one of said class's and find the opposite class.
You will soon find out, i am sure.0 -
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✭✭✭✭AngelFires333 wrote: »I know nothing about it.
Tho I would imagine it depends on many factors.
Skill, gear etc.
Why Don't you go into Cyro as one of said class's and find the opposite class.
You will soon find out, i am sure.
If I got to the forums to ask, it is because of something.
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RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stam DK > Mag DK
CUZ I will apply 45% Defile on ur arse and will send u to see Jesus...4 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭This will be the equivalent of Paladin vs. Druid fight in Vanilla WoW. The fight will go on forever.3 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stam dk gets it damage from wrecking blow, and 2-hand execute.
Magdk uses class based dots.Edited by KingYogi415 on January 19, 2018 11:55PM0 -
ChildOfLight✭✭✭Nothing beats permablocking magDKs in duel. Let alone a stamDk.Edited by ChildOfLight on January 19, 2018 11:59PMPC EU
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✭ChildOfLight wrote: »Nothing beats permablocking magDKs in duel. Let alone a stamDk.
LA until they're out of stam?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's not fair cause StamDKs will just rely on Weapon Skills, while MagDKs have a whole host of Class Skills. 2Hander players will completely wreck you because of uppercut and the execute, but MagDKs will stun and whip you for days.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No. S/B both bars especially not since SDK relies on weapon abilities for damage. The worst you could do is defile abuse them into a turtle, but hardly a win. Mdk can keep more dots and main attacks on you through block and wittle you away whilst healing with damage abilities/DB. You would lose a hot from FM (or rally in a pure duel build.)
Maybe some super niche dot build could do, but not with double s/b. The meta is really for outnumbered for 7th, ultigen and burst.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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SRASinister✭✭✭If it was sword and board with 2 handed back bar (that rally or momentum) then the stam dk would win most likely. They have access to almost the same amount of dots while the stam dk can use herioc slash and reverberating bash. A bigger stam pool means it can block more too not to mention corrosive with 7th legion is just too nasty.
Idk green's dragon blood and vigor with a potion might be enough to heal double sword and board.Xbox One NA: Sins of Daemons0 -
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✭✭✭SRASinister wrote: »If it was sword and board with 2 handed back bar (that rally or momentum) then the stam dk would win most likely. They have access to almost the same amount of dots while the stam dk can use herioc slash and reverberating bash. A bigger stam pool means it can block more too not to mention corrosive with 7th legion is just too nasty.
Idk green's dragon blood and vigor with a potion might be enough to heal double sword and board.
green dragon blood boosts your healing quite a bit, use a powered sword on back bar too, you heal very well with vigor and gdb0 -
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Hell no a Mag DK on a 1v1 vs a Stam DK lol anyone who says a Stam DK would win clearly never plays one nor has fought a skilled Mag DK.
That perma-block game is way too strong and sure Stam DK can do that too but remember Stam DKs need Stamina to dole out the damage while Mag DKs do not.
They can continue to CC you with fossilize/talons which procs their whips indefinitely thus giving them more healing while DoTs whittle you down. Using Reverb on them doesn't do anything as they can still heal decently especially with that perma-block game.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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✭✭If both players have the same level of PvP experience and the stam DK is indeed using SnB on both bars, then they are both equally terrible. I am not counting tanks, since they mostly classify as hybrids or HP builds.
With 2H / SnB on stam DK in an open world 1v1, the matchup drastically changes, in which case yes, a stam DK can indeed beat a mag DK. I would even say that for open world I'd favor the stam DK, as you can keep FMomentum up constantly, keep applying Major defile, denying power lashes and keeping DoTs up, ultimately outsustaining the mDK. These are some pretty long fights tho, the ones I ran into lasting well over a minute or 2 usually.
A lot of the tools used by both side will drastically change the odds however - if the mDK is using Durok's Bane, if the stam DK is using Lingering HP pots or Immovable, if one or the other runs a defile spec, if the stam DK runs Heroic Slash, etc etc...PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭Sorry guys but magdk is top notch in duels.
Snares+dots+skoria+3-4k whips=too much pressure for a SDK to handle (and we're not talking about a medium armor setup right? You'll be melter after the first skoria proc )1 -
Sleep724✭✭✭✭✭It’s possible, however slightly, with reverb. Without it, the fight will go on and on. I theory crafted a double s/b Stam Dk and it turned into a poor mans mag dk lol. Fossilize, rearming trap, v-claw, Selenes and poisons currently. Lot of fun to play with a unique build but you obviously gimp yourself.0
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✭✭✭✭I'm kind of suprised to see people think the stamDK has a chance on this.
without forward momentum, that stamDK will die literally like sitting duck.
With forward momentum and 2h , magDK still has the upper hand but with duel SnB its just... lol.
Not even a chance.
Now yes, its easier for stamDk to have access to defile, but the magDK can just go and equip duroks... what then?Edited by Ragnarock41 on January 20, 2018 3:25AM3 -
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Hell no a Mag DK on a 1v1 vs a Stam DK lol anyone who says a Stam DK would win clearly never plays one nor has fought a skilled Mag DK.
That perma-block game is way too strong and sure Stam DK can do that too but remember Stam DKs need Stamina to dole out the damage while Mag DKs do not.
They can continue to CC you with fossilize/talons which procs their whips indefinitely thus giving them more healing while DoTs whittle you down. Using Reverb on them doesn't do anything as they can still heal decently especially with that perma-block game.
well, he says same level of experience,
So if both of the players are really, really dumb.
Then sure, sDK can win.
But we're talking about a pug duel here, which is pointless.0 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭It's not fair cause StamDKs will just rely on Weapon Skills, while MagDKs have a whole host of Class Skills. 2Hander players will completely wreck you because of uppercut and the execute, but MagDKs will stun and whip you for days.
I love people who think Dizzy Swing is any good. Its the worst spammable in the game for PVP. Easily avoided even without dodging. Actually retreating is the wrong way to approach dizzy swing users, try staying really close. It needs a buff (0.4sec speed up) and then we can call it dangerous.Edited by Abysswarrior45 on January 20, 2018 5:22PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭Stam DK should always win this matchup because reverb+befoul eats mDK alive
Yup, atleast S&B mDK.
If it was stam DK vs destro/resto or 2H/resto mDK I'd say mDK is somewhat favoured thanks to Healing Ward.
Overall, I'm not terribly impressed by S&B on mDK. Very tanky, yes... but the damage/sustain is kinda meh
A permablock stam DK with TK can also just hold block when below 50% and TK+Vigor alone will outheal all incoming damage from a S&B mDK.Edited by DDuke on January 20, 2018 5:46PM0 -
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✭✭✭Stam DK should always win this matchup because reverb+befoul eats mDK alive
Yup, atleast S&B mDK.
If it was stam DK vs destro/resto or 2H/resto mDK I'd say mDK is somewhat favoured thanks to Healing Ward.
Overall, I'm not terribly impressed by S&B on mDK. Very tanky, yes... but the damage/sustain is kinda meh
A permablock stam DK with TK can also just hold block when below 50% and TK+Vigor alone will outheal all incoming damage from a S&B mDK.
I'd still say MDK would win, or atleast draw in double s/b if they are wearing light. Being a duel, sustain isn't hard so run 2x damage with skoria, and getting healing, even whilst defiled vs a double s/b stamDK isn't hard either.
Root, (No FM) go behind, put all dots up, CC on cooldown, either they can't damage you, or they run low on stamMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭✭✭Stam DK should always win this matchup because reverb+befoul eats mDK alive
Yup, atleast S&B mDK.
If it was stam DK vs destro/resto or 2H/resto mDK I'd say mDK is somewhat favoured thanks to Healing Ward.
Overall, I'm not terribly impressed by S&B on mDK. Very tanky, yes... but the damage/sustain is kinda meh
A permablock stam DK with TK can also just hold block when below 50% and TK+Vigor alone will outheal all incoming damage from a S&B mDK.
I'd still say MDK would win, or atleast draw in double s/b if they are wearing light. Being a duel, sustain isn't hard so run 2x damage with skoria, and getting healing, even whilst defiled vs a double s/b stamDK isn't hard either.
Root, (No FM) go behind, put all dots up, CC on cooldown, either they can't damage you, or they run low on stam
They can't damage you, but not for that reason (you can still turn while rooted, just let go of WASD keys when using skills).
If that stam DK is S&B/S&B, the maximum skill range is 5m, where as the mDK will be able to whip from 8m away.
I don't know if I'd ever run such a setup on stam DK, Forward Momentum feels like a must have on a class with that low mobility (doesn't even have Empowering Chains like mDK).0 -
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✭✭Open world anything goes, slot stam ravaging poisons and the StamDK is lunch meat.
In a legit duel SnB/SnB vs SnB/SnB without rally and forward momentum the magdk would win. Talons Fossilize powerlash. Block casting. All SORTS of heals. Etc. no contest.1 -
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✭ChildOfLight wrote: »Nothing beats permablocking magDKs in duel. Let alone a stamDk.
LA until they're out of stam?
Are you just gonna assume the other player isnt block casting dots talons whips etc while u light attack like a sitting duck? Lol
Trust me dont try that lol. Not gonna work especialy since they can heavy attack you while u do that also.Edited by Ihatenightblades on August 9, 2018 10:59PM0
