What are your thoughts as a healer in Pvp?

Tasear · August 2018

Do you have any issues? Do you wish something with different? How happy are you with current state of things?

geonsocal · August 2018

I'm still a relative noob to healing...I had done it on occasions in pledge dungeons, but, didn't really start focusing characters on it until the last year or so...

such a fun and simple job...

i can't really think of any issues or major changes to healing that I'd want in cyrodiil...

maybe lower the cost of efficient purge...

Beardimus · August 2018

I'm not a pro healer but enjoy it on both sorc & templar. Sorc is more enjoyable for wider use in Cyro / BG I find.

Templar I'm still learning but find I use restro skills / purge / support skills over class ones. Can be hard to see / feel alot of the ground based Templar stuff in sieges etc

Think only issue would be the balance between personal survival & setup to support others is alot harder in PvP to PvE for healers.

Issue with any buffs are we don't want to go back to more unkillable / tanky solo build meta

Tasear · August 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm not a pro healer but enjoy it on both sorc & templar. Sorc is more enjoyable for wider use in Cyro / BG I find.

Templar I'm still learning but find I use restro skills / purge / support skills over class ones. Can be hard to see / feel alot of the ground based Templar stuff in sieges etc

Think only issue would be the balance between personal survival & setup to support others is alot harder in PvP to PvE for healers.

Issue with any buffs are we don't want to go back to more unkillable / tanky solo build meta

Do you feel engaged in your role as healer in cydrolli, battlegrounds, dueling?

TheDoomsdayMonster · August 2018

I personally love Healing in PvP...

It is gratifying and its one of the few things that showcases the power that Templars wield...

It obviously isn't as s3xy as dps'ing, but there is skill involved in properly Healing/Mitigating Damage for your group while simultaneously staying alive as you know you'll be the enemies primary target to be focus fired down...

I like it!

worsttankever · August 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Do you have any issues? Do you wish something with different? How happy are you with current state of things?

I like that a healer is always in demand for small groups in Cydrodill and Imperial City. Resto staff is clutch, but it isn’t the only way to heal. I get tons and tons of thank you’s when I drop Siege Shield. I can still build for tankiness, damage, and sustain while providing group heals. But I think it puts me at a slight disadvantage against the toughest opponents in a 1 on 1 scenario.

I look forward to PTS buff of Siege Sheild. It is very expensive to cast, accompanied by purge, HOTs, etc. and likely defending against multiple attackers.

Also, I like upcoming changes to preventing proc sets triggering from Siege. Helps me manage incoming damage from multiple sources better.

I’ve played hybrid Templar, magicka Templar, and magicka DK as heals in PVP. All seem very capable to me.

BNOC · August 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm not a pro healer but enjoy it on both sorc & templar. Sorc is more enjoyable for wider use in Cyro / BG I find.

Templar I'm still learning but find I use restro skills / purge / support skills over class ones. Can be hard to see / feel alot of the ground based Templar stuff in sieges etc

Think only issue would be the balance between personal survival & setup to support others is alot harder in PvP to PvE for healers.

Issue with any buffs are we don't want to go back to more unkillable / tanky solo build meta

Make it pink? Bright orange? Something else. Actually, can you turn on "red" for your own abilities, or just friendly(other player)/enemy.

Maybe a moot point on my part because I don't actually know.

SneaK · August 2018

Templar Ritual should purge allies without a synergy. The decrease to all the defiles is also indirectly making Temp healers less of a resource.

Right now the most effective Temp healer is a HA Rememberance/Resto Ult spamming tank. That’s not intuitive for a lot of people to play. Give reasons to build around healing skills and not healing ults. Not nerfing the ults but making the skills more useful to not be required to use those ults. Make Nova great (again?).

SneaK · August 2018

Also buff Trinimac so DKs can have a unique healer build.

Sordidfairytale · August 2018

Make Combat Prayer a radius instead of a cone.

Datthaw · August 2018

I don't heal big zergs, most we had on our guild group was like 15 during mayhem. Normally we run 4-8 man groups. The way I heal on my temp is more of a buff/debuff toon. I run riposte/trans /bloods pawn. Small group is easier to heal I guess skill selection wise, I just keep BoL ready for low hp and try to throw out as many resto ults as I can when we're under pressure. But for the most part I try to dish out damage. The faster you kill stuff the less you have to heal.

Jeremy · August 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Do you have any issues? Do you wish something with different? How happy are you with current state of things?

Oh, I have issues. I wish things were different. And I'm not happy.

I have played as a healer on every other MMORPG to date - but this game may end up being the exception.

My class heals (Templar) are expensive, weak, and often pointless. I'm usually better off just spamming sweeps for heals. That's how horrible they are. I'll honestly never understand what people find so amazing about Templar Healers in PvP on this game. All I can think is maybe I have been spoiled from my time on WoW when Paladin healers were capable of powerful instant cast heals that could keep my life up against multiple attackers. They also had excellent mobility and could heal effectively on the run: where as breath of life seems to be good for emptying my Magicka pool.... and that's about it.

So what do I wish was different? Well... basically everything. Heals need to be cheaper, more powerful - and magicka needs to be easy to sustain. It's silly how a good dragon knight can walk up to me and just hack through my life even while I"m constantly casting breath of life till I run dry then just finish me off. I have to say this game has the weakest healing I've ever experienced in PvP on any game ever - and anyone who loves healing on this game would likely feel like a God on other games.

Forztr · August 2018

I used to main a Templar healer in PVP mostly as a solo zerg surfer and sometimes I'd run in a group. I tried out Pvp again with Midyear Mayahem and the strengths of the class have been gutted and weakness left weak since I last played it. So I changed from an Argonian Magplar to an Orc MagSorc healer/support and felt way more useful despite being the wrong race for the job.

Breath of Life is the Templar healers signature skill but over time has been whacked by the nerf bat so many times it feels almost useless. At the same time, Templars have had nothing in compensation.

BoL used to have a main heal and two secondary ones now only one and that's been reduced in size.
BoL used to be 360degree coverage now only 180 so when the low health guy runs behind you he doesn't get the heal he needs.
BoL used to get the 10% crit bonus from a passive but that bonus now only applies to damage.
BoL used to benefit from Templars having access to major mending.
The only three things a Templar brings is the healing Ult, Extended ritual for those savvy enough to use a synergy and fast resurrections.
In a game where burst damage and siege dominate the Templar burst heal isn't fit for purpose anymore Healing Ward is better and everyone has access to that.

Sorc PVP healer has great mobility with Boundless Storm and Streak without needing to be a Vampire for Elusive Mist.
Sorcs can stay in the backline to heal whereas a Templar needs to be more upfront to drop his ground abilities and healing Ult.
Sorcs have a better stun Rune Cage over Javelin.
Sorcs have Negate which can be used offensively to disrupt a ball group and defensively to get through sieged choke points.

If Purge was ever reverted to applying to allies and not just group mates then Templar healers would be extinct, heck they even made the other Templar must slot skill Repentance all but useless.

In conclusion, my pain point with PVP is my Templar main feels useless but on the flipside, my Orc Sorc healer is a lot of fun even if she is the wrong race and still a work in progress build wise.

Jeremy · August 2018

Forztr wrote: »

I used to main a Templar healer in PVP mostly as a solo zerg surfer and sometimes I'd run in a group. I tried out Pvp again with Midyear Mayahem and the strengths of the class have been gutted and weakness left weak since I last played it. So I changed from an Argonian Magplar to an Orc MagSorc healer/support and felt way more useful despite being the wrong race for the job.

Breath of Life is the Templar healers signature skill but over time has been whacked by the nerf bat so many times it feels almost useless. At the same time, Templars have had nothing in compensation.

That's pretty much my conclusion as well. The spell is next to useless now.

The_Lex · August 2018

Will the nerf to Defile make Templars less useful?

Beardimus · August 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm not a pro healer but enjoy it on both sorc & templar. Sorc is more enjoyable for wider use in Cyro / BG I find.

Templar I'm still learning but find I use restro skills / purge / support skills over class ones. Can be hard to see / feel alot of the ground based Templar stuff in sieges etc

Think only issue would be the balance between personal survival & setup to support others is alot harder in PvP to PvE for healers.

Issue with any buffs are we don't want to go back to more unkillable / tanky solo build meta

Do you feel engaged in your role as healer in cydrolli, battlegrounds, dueling?

That's a good question. PUG I would say no. In either bg or cyro.

People play as they were, you are just a bonus. Group heals getting AP.

In a cordinated group way way more engaged as the group work with you, can see your gain/value. The buffs, debuggs, movement to help you.

Also new players as healers get marked being low on scoreboards. Making something of healing should be important

Maybe we need a way to denote you are a dedicated healer. An emoji word saying. Or in BG an icon. Would be need to put and everyone know. Sure you can chat but maybe something more.

RighteousBacon · August 2018

geonsocal wrote: »

maybe lower the cost of efficient purge...

Uh no thank you

Tasear · August 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm not a pro healer but enjoy it on both sorc & templar. Sorc is more enjoyable for wider use in Cyro / BG I find.

Templar I'm still learning but find I use restro skills / purge / support skills over class ones. Can be hard to see / feel alot of the ground based Templar stuff in sieges etc

Think only issue would be the balance between personal survival & setup to support others is alot harder in PvP to PvE for healers.

Issue with any buffs are we don't want to go back to more unkillable / tanky solo build meta

Do you feel engaged in your role as healer in cydrolli, battlegrounds, dueling?

That's a good question. PUG I would say no. In either bg or cyro.

People play as they were, you are just a bonus. Group heals getting AP.

In a cordinated group way way more engaged as the group work with you, can see your gain/value. The buffs, debuggs, movement to help you.

Also new players as healers get marked being low on scoreboards. Making something of healing should be important

Maybe we need a way to denote you are a dedicated healer. An emoji word saying. Or in BG an icon. Would be need to put and everyone know. Sure you can chat but maybe something more.

That was talked about last meeting making battleground healers feel more rewarded.

p00tx · August 2018

I do okay on my Argonian Magplar healer, but I feel like they've been slowly shifting their toolkit away from PvP and more toward PvE. Conal primary heals, limiting targets to group members, and shrinking the number of players affected by heals is counter-intuitive in a fast paced arena where you maybe healing anywhere from 2-24+ people and those people will be running and doing back-flips all around you in complete chaos. Making a Templar "house" is no longer viable in today's iteration of PvP, so we need to make Magplar portable, fast(er), and less limited if they're going to continue to be useful in a group environment.

gannicus1389 · August 2018

they make or break a game. i ther eis a good healer on a enemy team in bg, you pretty much cant do much.

chesspilgrim · August 2018

i am certainly still learning the game. after a year and a half, aproximately, i’ve yet to hit max cp (~520). i play my main, a templar healer 98% or more of the time. i see myself as maybe an average player in terms of skill. i see my issues with pvp healing in two broad categories: technical and conceptual.

technical issues are rampant, frankly. i don’t know first-hand what goes on in playtesting, but it appears that it is mostly a time for youtube content creators to get in early and give out free publicity. i’m sure some bugs get fixed, but there are many that are still problems after a long time. i measure time as long because zos has time to continue to put out new content. i’m all for having a calendar and putting new content out on schedule, but the old content is still bugging out, so what is going on in meetings? which is it, they are unable to fix these things or they are unwilling? does cyrodil crash in the pts or not? because it crashes as soon as new content goes live.

why is it that i can cc break a mob’s cc without problem while doing a dolmen but it is sometimes seemingly impossible to cc break in battlegrounds? why do my potions fail to give me immunity? i’m talking about in the first 10 seconds. can i risk a sprint to keep up with my group? if we arrive at a flag and i don’t have full stam, will i be able to do anything after the series of fears, stuns, and roots that i know are coming? these are serious issues for a magplar with only 17k stamina. how much of my trouble is my lack of skill and how much of it is glitchy implementation? surely some of my trouble can be blamed on ps4 and high ping, but surely not all. it is frustrating and it is ongoing. i would like to hear from the devs themselves, what are reasonable expectations? how should things work?

another big technical problem, for me, is understanding how damage and damage mitigation are actually calculated, then figuring out how to make a build that is fun but doesn’t suck lemons in pvp. does spell damage affect shields? does crit damage effect my shields? bleed damage is not effected by my physical resistance? why not? am i bleeding because a nb hit me with iocaine powder? can i buy a facemask in the crown store, or what? these little details are not explained in game, and they can result in players with very poor performance and lots of frustrations.

as for concept issues, this is a great game that is trying to do great things, but they are getting a little lost, imo. if a large part of the player base is casuals, and the devs want to increase the pvp player population, then there are a large number of confusing or just counter intuitive game mechanics that have yet to be resolved. i love that there are multiple classes that can perform the role of healer. that is very open minded of zos. however, there is somehow a real problem with maintaining seperate class identities yet equal ability to perform roles. zos has created a trap for themselves. if everyone cannot do everything, then how can everyone have a chance to do each and every thing that might be done? if everyone can do everything, then how does zos find a way to give every class the same abilities while maintaining the veneer that they are class specific? and afterward, how do they balance everything? right now, it appears that they are a bit upside down, because they try to introduce new and exciting sets while the old game mechanics are still out of alignment.

for example, i like that the game has a [seemingly] well developed lore. so, what in the nine hells is a templar vampire? how did that happen, and did someone inform stendar? zos can’t figure out how to balance healers, and they’ve got nightblade assassin healers and templar vampire healers both running around healing in battlegrounds and cyrodil. is it a surprise to them that there is no easy solution to balance that healing with all forms (meaning many forms that are equally convoluted in their calculations) of incoming damage?

i will say this, not every player has half a dozen or more characters at max level. some players want to play a given playstyle they already like, or do everything on one character. i don’t know who wants to get a character to nearly max level only to find out that his or her preferred role has been given to another class. or, to be faced with decisions that are counter to their world view, like vampirism, in order to compete.

is this a fantasy rpg that has group roles…or…is this an open world where one may do whatever one wishes? i don’t see how it can be both. a large number of dedicated players will use every tool at their disposal, and justifiably so if zos permits it, in order to be successful (i.e. dominant) in pvp. then, zos wants to make tiny changes to tweak gameplay and balance classes. but, class and role have become irreparably entangled, under zos’s supervision, and they want to make changes like “x seconds on a cool-down” to resolve issues to players’ satisfaction. if they will allow so many other ridiculous things, then zos should allow players to change classes. i personally will not change from templar, but i think it is not out of the question that others might choose to make a change.

anyhow, that is my overview of things. take from it freely as you will, with my compliments.

Tasear · August 2018

chesspilgrim wrote: »

i am certainly still learning the game. after a year and a half, aproximately, i’ve yet to hit max cp (~520). i play my main, a templar healer 98% or more of the time. i see myself as maybe an average player in terms of skill. i see my issues with pvp healing in two broad categories: technical and conceptual.

technical issues are rampant, frankly. i don’t know first-hand what goes on in playtesting, but it appears that it is mostly a time for youtube content creators to get in early and give out free publicity. i’m sure some bugs get fixed, but there are many that are still problems after a long time. i measure time as long because zos has time to continue to put out new content. i’m all for having a calendar and putting new content out on schedule, but the old content is still bugging out, so what is going on in meetings? which is it, they are unable to fix these things or they are unwilling? does cyrodil crash in the pts or not? because it crashes as soon as new content goes live.

why is it that i can cc break a mob’s cc without problem while doing a dolmen but it is sometimes seemingly impossible to cc break in battlegrounds? why do my potions fail to give me immunity? i’m talking about in the first 10 seconds. can i risk a sprint to keep up with my group? if we arrive at a flag and i don’t have full stam, will i be able to do anything after the series of fears, stuns, and roots that i know are coming? these are serious issues for a magplar with only 17k stamina. how much of my trouble is my lack of skill and how much of it is glitchy implementation? surely some of my trouble can be blamed on ps4 and high ping, but surely not all. it is frustrating and it is ongoing. i would like to hear from the devs themselves, what are reasonable expectations? how should things work?

another big technical problem, for me, is understanding how damage and damage mitigation are actually calculated, then figuring out how to make a build that is fun but doesn’t suck lemons in pvp. does spell damage affect shields? does crit damage effect my shields? bleed damage is not effected by my physical resistance? why not? am i bleeding because a nb hit me with iocaine powder? can i buy a facemask in the crown store, or what? these little details are not explained in game, and they can result in players with very poor performance and lots of frustrations.

as for concept issues, this is a great game that is trying to do great things, but they are getting a little lost, imo. if a large part of the player base is casuals, and the devs want to increase the pvp player population, then there are a large number of confusing or just counter intuitive game mechanics that have yet to be resolved. i love that there are multiple classes that can perform the role of healer. that is very open minded of zos. however, there is somehow a real problem with maintaining seperate class identities yet equal ability to perform roles. zos has created a trap for themselves. if everyone cannot do everything, then how can everyone have a chance to do each and every thing that might be done? if everyone can do everything, then how does zos find a way to give every class the same abilities while maintaining the veneer that they are class specific? and afterward, how do they balance everything? right now, it appears that they are a bit upside down, because they try to introduce new and exciting sets while the old game mechanics are still out of alignment.

for example, i like that the game has a [seemingly] well developed lore. so, what in the nine hells is a templar vampire? how did that happen, and did someone inform stendar? zos can’t figure out how to balance healers, and they’ve got nightblade assassin healers and templar vampire healers both running around healing in battlegrounds and cyrodil. is it a surprise to them that there is no easy solution to balance that healing with all forms (meaning many forms that are equally convoluted in their calculations) of incoming damage?

i will say this, not every player has half a dozen or more characters at max level. some players want to play a given playstyle they already like, or do everything on one character. i don’t know who wants to get a character to nearly max level only to find out that his or her preferred role has been given to another class. or, to be faced with decisions that are counter to their world view, like vampirism, in order to compete.

is this a fantasy rpg that has group roles…or…is this an open world where one may do whatever one wishes? i don’t see how it can be both. a large number of dedicated players will use every tool at their disposal, and justifiably so if zos permits it, in order to be successful (i.e. dominant) in pvp. then, zos wants to make tiny changes to tweak gameplay and balance classes. but, class and role have become irreparably entangled, under zos’s supervision, and they want to make changes like “x seconds on a cool-down” to resolve issues to players’ satisfaction. if they will allow so many other ridiculous things, then zos should allow players to change classes. i personally will not change from templar, but i think it is not out of the question that others might choose to make a change.

anyhow, that is my overview of things. take from it freely as you will, with my compliments.

If you see bugs then report in a well documented format. Like when and what you were doing. How do you think it happened. Was third lag, low for, in area with a lot of conflict? Also ithelp avoid people thinking it's human perspection with videos, screenshots, or just more information.

Randirkithdhrosrane · August 2018

I don't have a PvP healer, but if I did it would be something along the lines of:

pleasedontdiepleasedontdiepleasedontdie

Gargis · August 2018

Playing a healer in this game is terrible. This game is just a placeholder now until CU is released.

Ppl die too easy, good dps can kill healers solo or take up so much resource that the healer is a moot point.

Fights over too fast and overall the pvp is just bad, and beyond boring.

Go to keep, siege, watch ppl melt at door despite healing, ults, shield, cleanses, hots, whatever, does not matter.

Brutusmax1mus · August 2018

I have healed with every class in the game, mainly for pvp small group. It's incredibly fun, especially with the proactive type healing and not reactive.

My only complaint is having to choose between an offensive ult and using it with the group, or saving my healing ultimates for when we may(typically outnumbered so normally do) need it. It's a hard decision.