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PvP general help and understanding (Please.)

chaz
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Hello everyone and good day!

Today I like to share a very short story in what is going to lead up to my question. See back on the last day of March, 2018 I had left the gaming community ""Overall"" due to a situation that could not be helped. It was not until Late June of the same year when things became better and then in July I started returning to the gaming community. However that said, prior to that in February / March I "thought" I finally understood in my own way what I needed to do in order to build an immortal PvP tank. And I was really confident and proud that after years of playing my own style that I was able to accomplish such a feat.

I made a true indestructible tank that I would use to protect resources in Cyrodiil, and or if it were a Castle Keep raid I would make myself the target while our/well my factions DPS came in to defend and burn the invaders. So I was more of a last line of defense. However that said, I have another character that I made and I use it offensively as a Bow style ganker that did massive amounts of damage.

Alright, so after many months that have gone by since the first week of April of 2018, what the heck happened in terms of major changes? Is there a change log someone can point out to me that may help me understand what the developers did that pretty much made my characters almost useless? I mean in terms of, did they change the way armor traits work that reduce the cost of block? Did they mess with champion points in the way we have options to reduce cost block and or generate more shield power or another line that breaks shields of enemies? Was the way mundus stones work change? Or is it a combination of many things or just something overall specific that I can easily fix?

I ask this, to you of the community based on your expertise and experience regardless whether you know me or not, or like me or not. I know there may be some of you that remember me from way back when however things are different. I'm not saying that I'm famous or anything, I'm just saying that I have been though a lot and it changed me. I'm trying to become better at this in order to help my faction, and to give the other factions a fair challenge. On a personal level like anyone I just like to be good and since the tools are obviously there as soooo many seem to be running the same builds, it really is unfair to those, like me, that learn differently in order to be on that same level.

I'm not asking you to be my new best friend or have pity on me, I'm asking a community to which I game with for help in understanding what may have changed that messed up my 2 builds I use all the time for PvP that I once thought I knew what I was doing. And yes some people learn differently. Some people learn by hearing, some learn by seeing and so forth.

Well, I like to thank you all for reading this and if you take your time in thinking out an appropriate response I really do appreciate that. I'm sure in time I may figure it out by trial and error again, however I really do wish this time around to keep up with everyone and be on that same page. It's win/win for everyone. The enemy for me bring a fair challenge, my same alliance for bringing useful assistance, and myself for being good at what I do. ((apologies for anything mispelled))

May you have a blessed day!

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  • Drakkdjinn
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    You will now need to play the class instead of holding right click.
  • VaranisArano
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    So if you left at the end of March and just came back and your builds were working fine after the Dragon Bones DLC, the biggest difference is the Summerset Chapter. Here's the Patch Notes: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/413283/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-0-5-summerset-update-18

    If you haven't looked at your class changes yet, you should probably do so.

    Otherwise, there's the addition of the crafted set Sload's Semblance, which does an Oblivion Damage DOT, and certainly has the potential to be an issue for a PVP tank since its quite meta at the moment. This set is getting adjusted very soon when new DLC drops.

    Light attacks now do more damage to you, since they scale off of the highest attribute.

    Two-handed weapons now count as 2 set pieces, so there are a lot more monster sets available in PVP builds now.


    If you want more specific advice for how to fix your builds, I suggest you actually post your class and build. If not, the Patch Notes section of the forum should give you the changelog you want.
    Edited by VaranisArano on August 7, 2018 4:55PM
  • Darkestnght
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    Drakkdjinn wrote: »
    You will now need to play the class instead of holding right click.

    This comment was neither constructive or helpful in anyway.
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  • Minno
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    Drakkdjinn wrote: »
    You will now need to play the class instead of holding right click.

    This comment was neither constructive or helpful in anyway.

    He's not wrong if the only insight we have to his builds are block and ganking.
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  • mursie
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    Drakkdjinn wrote: »
    You will now need to play the class instead of holding right click.

    This comment was neither constructive or helpful in anyway.

    ODD - i found the comment extremely insightful given the changes to block and the relation to a post by an "unkillable tank" that previous to the block changes was a "last line of defense" soaking up damage while dishing none of his own, unkillable in a keep take defense.

    Erego, vis a vi, concordantly - it is quite obvious that the OP's biggest perceived change is infact the change to block.. .which is conducted by doing none other than holding down the right click.

    Ironically - your comment truly was neither constructive or helpful in anyway.
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  • VaranisArano
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    Drakkdjinn wrote: »
    You will now need to play the class instead of holding right click.

    This comment was neither constructive or helpful in anyway.

    Yet, its not entirely inaccurate. Thing is, ZOS has been trying very hard to balance/nerf PVP tanks ever since Morrowind, and they've mostly succeeded to the point that holding permablock isn't a very viable tanking playstyle right now in PVP. So if that's what the OP was trying to do, then yeah, the best advice right now is going to be to review their class' playstyle and try to play more like an active tank rather than trying to permablock in a 1vX situtation.

    Now, OP if that's not what you are struggling with, it would be nice to get more details so we can provide more focused and constructive help.
    Edited by VaranisArano on August 7, 2018 6:17PM
  • Spartabunny08
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    Woeler destroyed super tanks. They put him in charge of making changes and his idea of a tank is to play as a dps. They're rebalancing the entire class system as of awhile ago. It's a long process and in the forums you'll notice class representatives. This is their job and by the end of the year hopefully they'll figure out a better balance spectrum. It's a huge work in progress, they're taking their time and that's a good thing. Just have to see what happens.
  • chaz
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    Everyone thank you,

    @VaranisArano Thanks. I will need to catch up on that patch note to try and understand what was changed so that I can try to balance it out.

    Also, yes it's true I do play some games strictly KB&M, however I use exbawks 063 wired controller to play ESO.

    As far as the tank I built, I do shield stack and perma block and then try to dish out some damage and let ultimate build using blood spawn, I believe it's an ORC dragonknight with full access to Champion Points.

    My ganker is a Khajiit Templar. Both are Stam builds.

    One big thing I have noticed was this new jewelry crafting, and traits I have never seen before. I learned the first top 3, but with such a low crafting level I have no idea yet about the other traits. If this has impacted pvp this too would make sense.

    Alright, I'm going to read up on the patch notes.

    Thank you again.

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  • pzschrek
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    I'd help if you were interested in playing non-butthole playstyles.
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  • chaz
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    Yes thank you. I think I'm getting the hang of it however it seems so different now after those patches. I can't really tell if there is a huge difference between players using KB&M Vs. those that use controller. I'm currently in the process of changing one of my knight blade dps. I just farmed jailbreaker from Banished cells (1). I thought it would make me faster in general however I'm thinking it has something to do with CP's and maybe traits.

    Otherwise I'm making small changes here and there on several toons. I see a big difference between 4 of my toons. I have 2 DPS and 2 tanks. They both play completely different. So I'm trying to learn each capability to compare each ones weakness and strength. It's fun yet difficult.

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  • Waffennacht
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    So to answer your initial questions; yes to all

    They changed block cost calculations, so essentially sturdy etc have been changed so you can't permablock in the same manner as you may have experienced

    Yeap your class has changed too

    Yeap CPs have changed along with some calculations - essentially everything is multiplicative now (I will karate chop you @Minno )

    Playstyles are all about variety; I have one Uber tank and 2 Stam dd for PvP atm myself

    In this Meta undodgeable and Dodge are the key players with block and unblockable being right behind
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  • chaz
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    Darn, so not fair. I see those changes and seems like most now take very little damage, run super fast, turn invisible all the time. I feel like I need to sit down with a professional just to play a game.

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  • Kram8ion
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    All builds need constant tweaking and changing
    Constantly
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  • Avnr
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    next update block toggle instead of holding r click - that great news

  • Drakkdjinn
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    mursie wrote: »
    Drakkdjinn wrote: »
    You will now need to play the class instead of holding right click.

    This comment was neither constructive or helpful in anyway.

    ODD - i found the comment extremely insightful given the changes to block and the relation to a post by an "unkillable tank" that previous to the block changes was a "last line of defense" soaking up damage while dishing none of his own, unkillable in a keep take defense.

    Erego, vis a vi, concordantly - it is quite obvious that the OP's biggest perceived change is infact the change to block.. .which is conducted by doing none other than holding down the right click.

    Ironically - your comment truly was neither constructive or helpful in anyway.

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