WTB Fully-Leveled Characters (in the Crown Store)

lpw · August 2018

Tyrobag wrote: »

That is the literal definition of pay to win.. "Go to the crown store and buy something that puts me at the end game"

That is raw pay to win in its purest form.

1000 times wrong. Here is the definition of P2W:

"Paying for special items or downloadable content that provide a significant advantage over those playing for free."

A max level character is not an advantage. Pay to win is when you can buy something that could not be achieved unless you paid for it. For example, if they put twice max speed horses in the crown store only or perfected versions of maelstrom weapons. These would give an unfair advantage over free players.

Paying for something (a level 50 character) that can be achieved anyway in a few hours without paying is not pay to win and those players would have no advantage over other players.

weedgenius · August 2018

Facefister wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

I’d like to know how all these people are leveling toons from 0-50 in three hours rofl

Various EXP buffs and grinding partners.

You can only have one consumable XP buff active at a time. So, with a 150% XP buff and a grinding partner (for what? 10% grouped bonus?) I'm really going to grind ~3 million xp points in three hours? I don't think so.

Azuramoonstar · August 2018

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Tyrobag wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Seriously, I'd pay for those. I don't have the time to go leveling these days, but I wanna play more of the classes.

EDIT: Edited title for clarity. Crown Store, not RMT

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BACK TO A P2W GAME!!!!!!!!!!!

Das not P2W tho

That is the literal definition of pay to win.. "Go to the crown store and buy something that puts me at the end game"

That is raw pay to win in its purest form.

There is no way in Oblivion that ZoS would do something like that, even they aren't that greedy.

Just reaching endgame faster is not winning anything.
There are alot of people at endgame and I never felt like I was losing or they were winning when I first joined almost 1 year ago.
And now I'm equal to all of them. Even people many years older than me.

In mmo sense it is pay to win. As you buy acess to the end game. Which can ruin the game for those who don't pay.

White wabbit · August 2018

NupidStoob wrote: »

I have 11 chars. 7 are level 50 and the other 4 between 30 and 40. Two of the lowlevels I have since I started playing. At this point I just cba anymore to level them all to 50 and then level all the frigging skilllines. I would honestly consider buying something like this.

Level 50 char with all skills leveled to morph and all skilllines maxed as well as all basegame skyshards unlocked, must have a char that already fullfills all these requirements to be able to purchase. I'd pay 5k crowns for that no sweat. It can easily take more than 20 hours to get a new char fully leveled up including all the skilllines and skillpoints. Once is okay, twice is meh and after that it just becomes stupid.

Edit: Obviously it should not affect CP at all.

I have 12 maxed toons so I don't see your argument

Elanymire · August 2018

I'll agree that this is in no way remotely pay to win.

p2w is Buying something with real money that IS NOT obtainable in game that offers a power advantage over others. Pay to Progress Faster is not Pay to win.

I'm sorry you cant afford things. But people need to realise what pay to win really means. Merely buying a max level character is not pay to win. Not even close. Go play a korean mmo or similar and then you'll find out what p2w means. I dropped 10k in neverwinter (which isnt korean) easily and my character could literally solo the hardest group dungeons the game had while other player with lesser gear would need a full group for. it had a gearscore and the average player with good gear was around 14 to 16k tops. My characters varied from 20 - 26k gearscore.

I actually enjoy the levelling process in mmos its one reason I play them. But yeah this wouldnt be pay to win lol. Even ops expanded "max level" character still wouldn't be p2w as you could get it in game yourself just by running around for a day or two to collect books shards fighters guild levels itself as you kill daedra.

Mefromnorway · August 2018

Summerset is so boring to lvl up. should not be need to do in many chars if you have done it in 1 first. make a way to complet it for your 2 char and 3, 4 , 5 ,6 etc.............. complet psjic is a big zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz after you done it one time, make a token in crown shop so you can buy a complet setup for lvl 50 and summerset. and 1 more thing you need add more items soit will be more fun lvl up jewelry, to hard to craft example gold armor and epic, take ages.

Raraaku · August 2018

I'd rather not... Levels 1-50 are, in my opinion, critical to getting a feel of the class and its class-specific mechanics. I know it can be a hassle, but it's not that bad; particularly if your main or a friend/friendly crafter is willing to craft you training gear. If I focus solely on one of my alts I can level them to 50 in about 2-3 days; and that's just with questing and not doing any kind of grinding methods.

Buying a level 50 character feel... kind of cheap to me. I don't consider it pay-to-win, I just think it's lazy and view it as you cheating yourself more than anything.

White wabbit · August 2018

Won't be any need of exp scrolls or potions so can't see this happening

NupidStoob · August 2018

weedgenius wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

I’d like to know how all these people are leveling toons from 0-50 in three hours rofl

Various EXP buffs and grinding partners.

You can only have one consumable XP buff active at a time. So, with a 150% XP buff and a grinding partner (for what? 10% grouped bonus?) I'm really going to grind ~3 million xp points in three hours? I don't think so.

Full purple training gear, 150% xp bonus from scroll or ambrosia and a double XP event. Then you group up with someone strong and do something like skyreach or spellscar for 3 hours with the other person pulling you. Depending on how good the pulling is 3 hours should be enough for 50. What people like to forget though is that you still have to gather skillpoints and level skilllines and skills afterwards.

Another method is to use master writs. Enchanting ones are prolly best, but alchemy are usually easier to come by in huge quantities. Fill your inventory with 150 master writs, make a list on what you all need to craft and craft it. Go to master writ turn in and take master writ job, hand in etc. You don't need training gear for this as that only affects xp from kills. Grouping, 150% xp bonus and double xp should still work. Will definitely need more than 150 master writs though so it can get costly. Frankly I don't like this method to level a char to 50, but it's pretty awesome to level up a bunch of skills or weapon skilllines after your char is 50 since then you get max xp for each writ. Can even speed it up more by doing this during enlightenment.

Elanymire · August 2018

White wabbit wrote: »

Won't be any need of exp scrolls or potions so can't see this happening

Easily fixed. Just make it cost enough. eg 100$.

Lets face it too. I'm pretty sure a good chunk of people who do the maths would buy currency ( for example 300k gold a quick search reveals to cost about 22$ usd which would be enough to buy 50 hours worth of xp potions @ 3k each which they dont cost so youd get more in reality) to buy potions rather than buying scrolls which zenimax would not profit from at all.

NupidStoob · August 2018

White wabbit wrote: »

NupidStoob wrote: »

I have 11 chars. 7 are level 50 and the other 4 between 30 and 40. Two of the lowlevels I have since I started playing. At this point I just cba anymore to level them all to 50 and then level all the frigging skilllines. I would honestly consider buying something like this.

Level 50 char with all skills leveled to morph and all skilllines maxed as well as all basegame skyshards unlocked, must have a char that already fullfills all these requirements to be able to purchase. I'd pay 5k crowns for that no sweat. It can easily take more than 20 hours to get a new char fully leveled up including all the skilllines and skillpoints. Once is okay, twice is meh and after that it just becomes stupid.

Edit: Obviously it should not affect CP at all.

I have 12 maxed toons so I don't see your argument

No offense, but you having no life and not valuing your time is certainly not an argument against this. This is not different from buying horse upgrades in crown store.

Hessen · August 2018

lpw wrote: »

Tyrobag wrote: »

"Paying for special items or downloadable content that provide a significant advantage over those playing for free."

Paying for time could easily be considered an advantage. You don't think it is, fine, but others definitely do see it that.

The microtransactions model was born out of casual gamers wanting to pay to skip 'grinding' content, especially when you look at the casual mobile games that caused the boom in "buy 50 crystals for just £4.99".

Ultimately, paying for a max level character is the same as any other microtransaction where you are using money instead of time to achieve something. And many players have always had a big issue with that as it feels like the time effort is cheapened by people who can just use real money to instantly achieve the same thing.

Calling it 'pay to win' or not is just a bit of sidetracked semantics argument.

tunepunk · August 2018

Didn't Guild Wars 1 have something like that? Doing PVP you always created a max leveled character, but you could only choose skills you've unlocked with your PvE characters?

I wouldn't mind creating max level chars, as long as they were blank. You still had to go chase the skill points, lore books, and other stuff and level up skills and skill trees.

The level grind is kind of pointless, as your stats are upscaled anyway. The only difference is that you have to wear junk until you reach max level.

mrbeaujengels1 · August 2018

For the people that think this is a good idea, please watch what your saying, the people that spent hours and hours leveling there caracters will go absolutly ape ***. The purpose of the game is to level and Discover what is what. They do this then this game is officially finished.
I sincerely hope they won't even considder this

Violynne · August 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

oh yes it is.

But it's not.

and buying a fully maxed character sure as heck fits the bill.

This is why your statement isn't correct. The OP said fully leveled character.

Skipping levels 1-50 is something I could support with the condition the player must first have at least one character already at the current (max) level, which is now CP750.

ZoS can sell a token for release, and the token is only unlocked once the max CP is reached.

I will admit the reason I only have 4 alts is because leveling 4 more to 50 is just not feasible due to my limited play.

Not sure if I'd buy an alt fully leveled, but I'd be tempted.

Playing a DK looks like fun.

LuciusEsox · August 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Seriously, I'd pay for those. I don't have the time to go leveling these days, but I wanna play more of the classes.

EDIT: Edited title for clarity. Crown Store, not RMT

I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW.....

[snip] Talk about see the world from your own view mate.
[edited for profanity bypass]

NupidStoob · August 2018

mrbeaujengels1 wrote: »

For the people that think this is a good idea, please watch what your saying, the people that spent hours and hours leveling there caracters will go absolutly ape ***. The purpose of the game is to level and Discover what is what. They do this then this game is officially finished.
I sincerely hope they won't even considder this

I don't understand this sentiment at all. Why do people have to think "I had to deal with this stupid stuff so others have too" instead of "I know how stupid it is and I am glad if no one has to go through this anymore". After maxing psijiic order for the 6th time I felt like losing my mind. Wouldn't wish that on anyone to be honest.

The level 1-50 grind really isn't the issue anyways, it's the combination of gathering skillpoints, maxing skilllines and getting skills to morph.

If you are afraid that people will just skip the discovery process you can certainly restrict the system. For example not being able to buy a level 50 char without having one with all skilllines maxed already. Could even restrict it to classes.

weedgenius · August 2018

NupidStoob wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

I’d like to know how all these people are leveling toons from 0-50 in three hours rofl

Various EXP buffs and grinding partners.

You can only have one consumable XP buff active at a time. So, with a 150% XP buff and a grinding partner (for what? 10% grouped bonus?) I'm really going to grind ~3 million xp points in three hours? I don't think so.

Full purple training gear, 150% xp bonus from scroll or ambrosia and a double XP event. Then you group up with someone strong and do something like skyreach or spellscar for 3 hours with the other person pulling you. Depending on how good the pulling is 3 hours should be enough for 50. What people like to forget though is that you still have to gather skillpoints and level skilllines and skills afterwards.

Another method is to use master writs. Enchanting ones are prolly best, but alchemy are usually easier to come by in huge quantities. Fill your inventory with 150 master writs, make a list on what you all need to craft and craft it. Go to master writ turn in and take master writ job, hand in etc. You don't need training gear for this as that only affects xp from kills. Grouping, 150% xp bonus and double xp should still work. Will definitely need more than 150 master writs though so it can get costly. Frankly I don't like this method to level a char to 50, but it's pretty awesome to level up a bunch of skills or weapon skilllines after your char is 50 since then you get max xp for each writ. Can even speed it up more by doing this during enlightenment.

I tried the master writ method this weekend. It took me two hours just traveling from zone to zone and hitting every guild trader trying to find small writs. Even then, I only was able to buy enough writs to get my toon to level 30. Plus, I had to max both skill lines and grind out at least enough skill points to max the passives to even do the writs.

Even with purple training gear and a 150% XP bonus I really don't see grinding 3 mil XP in Skyreach as something that can be done in 3 hours but I could be wrong. Possibly but only if I sit around and wait for one of the few double XP events that happen over the course of a year. When I want to try out a new class/build, I want to try it ASAP.

Elanymire · August 2018

White wabbit wrote: »

NupidStoob wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

NupidStoob wrote: »

I have 11 chars. 7 are level 50 and the other 4 between 30 and 40. Two of the lowlevels I have since I started playing. At this point I just cba anymore to level them all to 50 and then level all the frigging skilllines. I would honestly consider buying something like this.

Level 50 char with all skills leveled to morph and all skilllines maxed as well as all basegame skyshards unlocked, must have a char that already fullfills all these requirements to be able to purchase. I'd pay 5k crowns for that no sweat. It can easily take more than 20 hours to get a new char fully leveled up including all the skilllines and skillpoints. Once is okay, twice is meh and after that it just becomes stupid.

Edit: Obviously it should not affect CP at all.

I have 12 maxed toons so I don't see your argument

No offense, but you having no life and not valuing your time is certainly not an argument against this. This is not different from buying horse upgrades in crown store.

Sorry are you really trying to compare horse upgrades to buying a max character !

Actually what most people are responding to is buying a level 50 character not the max character op later decided he wanted.

And in that case there is no difference to buying mount upgrades or buying a level 50 character. They both let you skip timesinks. Though mount upgrades aren't really that bad just make your alts ahead of time and train it before you start to level them.

Elanymire · August 2018

Hessen wrote: »

lpw wrote: »

Tyrobag wrote: »

"Paying for special items or downloadable content that provide a significant advantage over those playing for free."

Paying for time could easily be considered an advantage. You don't think it is, fine, but others definitely do see it that.

The microtransactions model was born out of casual gamers wanting to pay to skip 'grinding' content, especially when you look at the casual mobile games that caused the boom in "buy 50 crystals for just £4.99".

Ultimately, paying for a max level character is the same as any other microtransaction where you are using money instead of time to achieve something. And many players have always had a big issue with that as it feels like the time effort is cheapened by people who can just use real money to instantly achieve the same thing.

Calling it 'pay to win' or not is just a bit of sidetracked semantics argument.

Again most people either don't know what p2w really means or are ignoring it to support their own agendas/arugments.

Really who cares if someone is able to buy a level 50 character. You can already pay other players for power levelling. Its really no different.

Would you now like paying for power levelling to be bannable because it cheapens your effort? You should be happy you did it the real way. I bet your characters will have more skill points/mage guild levels too.

Not sure why mmo players in particular feel like they have to better than someone else but i guess that's just human nature.
If you want that you have real life where it would actually matter unlike a game lol.

Kel · August 2018

With all the experience scrolls from daily rewards (awarded from free crates and just getting them themselves for a reward) on top of very cheap experience potions, how is it a chore to get to 50 these days? Just made a templar and within a few hours got him to 40. CP is already account wide.
Even using time these days is a poor excuse.
And if you're willing to pay for a boost, why wouldn't you be willing to pay for scrolls if you don't have any free ones?
There is already catch ups you can pay for that still allow you to get familiar with your class and character.
I work a full time job including overtime, have a wife and still managed to level 6 characters to max. If you don't have time then this genre isn't for you. Pick up a single player game...mmo's are not for you.

Waffennacht · August 2018

SammyFable wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Seriously, I'd pay for those. I don't have the time to go leveling these days, but I wanna play more of the classes.

EDIT: Edited title for clarity. Crown Store, not RMT

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BACK TO A P2W GAME!!!!!!!!!!!

Das not P2W tho

oh yes it is. go back to a pay to win game. pay to win is anything that gives you an advantage over someone else who couldnt pay for it. and buying a fully maxed character sure as heck fits the bill. so no go play like trove or something. dont poison a perfectly good game.

I don't quite understand why this would be any more p2w than the xp boosts already in the crown store and gamble crates. And if maxed out characters would only be able to be bought by someone who has maxed out at least one character on their own, it wouldn't give a person any advantage whatsoever. In this game you aren't competitive if you aren't at max level and you don't compete with max level characters before you hit max level. Even in pvp you can just go to the non vet campaign and won't be bothered by max level characters.
The only thing such an option would do is save some time which is not that crucial in ESO. It's not like many p2w games where saved time (usually wait time) equals quicker progress or giving items that are more powerful ones you can get through normal playing.
So would you care to explain why you see it as p2w?

You just said to be competitive you must be max (competitive synonym for winning...)

You then say to pay for it.

That's how you get "pay to win"

Or my new account vs your new account, my level 20 vs your 50, you paid - you won aka "pay to win"

BaneOfBattler · August 2018

the point of paying for a leveled account defeats the whole purpose of actually playing the game and learning your class, to not mention the frustration you would induce to anyone that gets in your group to do any kind of activity because you are a boosted player.

Elanymire · August 2018

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Tyrobag wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Seriously, I'd pay for those. I don't have the time to go leveling these days, but I wanna play more of the classes.

EDIT: Edited title for clarity. Crown Store, not RMT

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BACK TO A P2W GAME!!!!!!!!!!!

Das not P2W tho

That is the literal definition of pay to win.. "Go to the crown store and buy something that puts me at the end game"

That is raw pay to win in its purest form.

There is no way in Oblivion that ZoS would do something like that, even they aren't that greedy.

Just reaching endgame faster is not winning anything.
There are alot of people at endgame and I never felt like I was losing or they were winning when I first joined almost 1 year ago.
And now I'm equal to all of them. Even people many years older than me.

In mmo sense it is pay to win. As you buy acess to the end game. Which can ruin the game for those who don't pay.

BaneOfBattler wrote: »

the point of paying for a leveled account defeats the whole purpose of actually playing the game and learning your class, to not mention the frustration you would induce to anyone that gets in your group to do any kind of activity because you are a boosted player.

How would that be different to a player who levelled normally but didn't do dungeons until level 50? The only dungeons i did while levelling were public ones i solod. The game didn't implode and other players still had to deal with me being a newb.

Aebaradath · August 2018

Elanymire wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Tyrobag wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Seriously, I'd pay for those. I don't have the time to go leveling these days, but I wanna play more of the classes.

EDIT: Edited title for clarity. Crown Store, not RMT

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BACK TO A P2W GAME!!!!!!!!!!!

Das not P2W tho

That is the literal definition of pay to win.. "Go to the crown store and buy something that puts me at the end game"

That is raw pay to win in its purest form.

There is no way in Oblivion that ZoS would do something like that, even they aren't that greedy.

Just reaching endgame faster is not winning anything.
There are alot of people at endgame and I never felt like I was losing or they were winning when I first joined almost 1 year ago.
And now I'm equal to all of them. Even people many years older than me.

In mmo sense it is pay to win. As you buy acess to the end game. Which can ruin the game for those who don't pay.

BaneOfBattler wrote: »

the point of paying for a leveled account defeats the whole purpose of actually playing the game and learning your class, to not mention the frustration you would induce to anyone that gets in your group to do any kind of activity because you are a boosted player.

How would that be different to a player who levelled normally but didn't do dungeons until level 50? The only dungeons i did while levelling were public ones i solod. The game didn't implode and other players still had to deal with me being a newb.

Because such a player still has a better grasp over the class they played to level 50, rather than someone who buys a max level Templar and asks "what are jabs?"

mrbeaujengels1 · August 2018

Oh i have a normal working life. And for those who cant log in once a day to level your mount , go play outside.
Instead if adding more and more junk into the game , go fix the lag and disconnects and glytches in the game.

Elanymire · August 2018

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Because such a player still has a better grasp over the class they played to level 50, rather than someone who buys a max level Templar and asks "what are jabs?"

the game has a hotbar with 22 skills, and you can easily get away with using half. it's not rocket science especially if you've played other mmos or es games. Additionally you can you know perhaps read whe skills description? lol.

Mannix1958 · August 2018

NupidStoob wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

NupidStoob wrote: »

I have 11 chars. 7 are level 50 and the other 4 between 30 and 40. Two of the lowlevels I have since I started playing. At this point I just cba anymore to level them all to 50 and then level all the frigging skilllines. I would honestly consider buying something like this.

Level 50 char with all skills leveled to morph and all skilllines maxed as well as all basegame skyshards unlocked, must have a char that already fullfills all these requirements to be able to purchase. I'd pay 5k crowns for that no sweat. It can easily take more than 20 hours to get a new char fully leveled up including all the skilllines and skillpoints. Once is okay, twice is meh and after that it just becomes stupid.

Edit: Obviously it should not affect CP at all.

I have 12 maxed toons so I don't see your argument

No offense, but you having no life and not valuing your time is certainly not an argument against this. This is not different from buying horse upgrades in crown store.

Wow you might have had a point with the last sentence but your attack on people having multiple maxxed out toons is really rude. For example "No offense but just because you are too lazy to take time to level toons is not an argument for this since toons can be leveled to max in a fairly short time with all the boosts available." See what I did there? In reality I have no issue with play to progress but keep it a civil discourse when you make your case.

Hessen · August 2018

Elanymire wrote: »

Again most people either don't know what p2w really means or are ignoring it to support their own agendas/arugments.

Really who cares if someone is able to buy a level 50 character. You can already pay other players for power levelling. Its really no different.

Would you now like paying for power levelling to be bannable because it cheapens your effort? You should be happy you did it the real way. I bet your characters will have more skill points/mage guild levels too.

Not sure why mmo players in particular feel like they have to better than someone else but i guess that's just human nature.
If you want that you have real life where it would actually matter unlike a game lol.

I don't personally give a ***. But lots of people do care and I was just explaining why. You not understanding why people think and feel that way is a misgiving on your part though, not on theirs.

It's a general feeling towards any kind of power levelling, and people have been against it since it was first introduced. And although it's become more common to differing degrees in differing games, there are still a lot of people against using real time money to obtain significant content that they feel should be restricted and unlocked only by time and effort.

Many people apply the same philosophies in games and on the internet as they do in person and in real life, others see them as two completely different environments and situations.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · August 2018

Chibs wrote: »

They could do very few things to make me quit the game, and this is definitely one of them. Never. Ever. Ever. Implement. This. Horrible. This would kill the game we all love.

While I don't necessarily agree with the OP, I fail to see how doing what he suggests would kill the game.

Actually I think it would do the opposite.

I know of many player who quit because after starting a year or more behind everyone else they realised they would never have enough time to catch up.

So they left - meaning less players overall, but specifically less players at end game.

Now games DO DIE when they don't have enough players at end game.

All The Best