1vX vs. lots of damage

Swimguy · August 2018

Is it possible to 1vX good players this patch? Primarily the magsorc and magblade players or is it just completely unreasonable to try?

I get melted no matter the build (tried impreg,7th,armor master, fortified brass) all paired with bloodspawn and i still get melted by good magsorcs.
Even when its just one good sorc can barely stay alive for just 10 seconds trying to tank and line up DBOS.

(All impen traits too)

Yes i keep my vigor up like 80% of the time and 100% when im turtling up

Vapirko · August 2018

Was it ever possible to 1vX good players without using a completely broken build/exploit? I think the general consensus is that it’s harder than ever to 1vX though, the majority of changes benefit bigger groups even as they bring balance.

Jimmy_The_Fixer · August 2018

Probably start off trying to 1v1 good players, if they're actually good then that's going to be a meaty challenge by itself.

technohic · August 2018

Good players? As in more than 1? Probably not. Maybe 1 decent player with a the others being bad.

And with the hype of rune cage, prepare to eat a bunch of ultimate at times.

Gulkrim-mur · August 2018

Swimguy wrote: »

Is it possible to 1vX good players this patch? Primarily the magsorc and magblade players or is it just completely unreasonable to try?

I get melted no matter the build (tried impreg,7th,armor master, fortified brass) all paired with bloodspawn and i still get melted by good magsorcs.
Even when its just one good sorc can barely stay alive for just 10 seconds trying to tank and line up DBOS.

(All impen traits too)

Yes i keep my vigor up like 80% of the time and 100% when im turtling up

A good player has high probability of beating you 1v1 by my definition so 1vx them no prolly not.

1vx isn't what it used to be. Like melting 10 plus unless your a bomber. Best of done in summerset was 1v6

Expert · August 2018

1vX on any class is possible, but with good players? No, that's why we take advantaged of Midyear Mayhem because all the bad PVE players are trying out PVP. Easy points, and the best 1vX class on the market right now has always been stamblades. Slot Troll King, Cloak, and incap your enemies away.

Good luck!

usmguy1234 · August 2018

Swimguy wrote: »

Is it possible to 1vX good players this patch? Primarily the magsorc and magblade players or is it just completely unreasonable to try?

I get melted no matter the build (tried impreg,7th,armor master, fortified brass) all paired with bloodspawn and i still get melted by good magsorcs.
Even when its just one good sorc can barely stay alive for just 10 seconds trying to tank and line up DBOS.

(All impen traits too)

Yes i keep my vigor up like 80% of the time and 100% when im turtling up

As long as there's undodgeable skills in the game, no. That's the biggest gripe I have with this game... There's really no balancing going on, just flavor of the patch buffs/ debuffs to sorc and nightblade while the other class specs die slowly attrition with exception to the mutant stamwarden.

Waffennacht · August 2018

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usmguy1234 wrote: »

Swimguy wrote: »

Is it possible to 1vX good players this patch? Primarily the magsorc and magblade players or is it just completely unreasonable to try?

I get melted no matter the build (tried impreg,7th,armor master, fortified brass) all paired with bloodspawn and i still get melted by good magsorcs.
Even when its just one good sorc can barely stay alive for just 10 seconds trying to tank and line up DBOS.

(All impen traits too)

Yes i keep my vigor up like 80% of the time and 100% when im turtling up

As long as there's undodgeable skills in the game, no. That's the biggest gripe I have with this game... There's really no balancing going on, just flavor of the patch buffs/ debuffs to sorc and nightblade while the other class specs die slowly attrition with exception to the mutant stamwarden.

If roll dodge itself was the reason you could 1vX when you couldn't before, I'd say the game is out of balance, heavily in favor of Stam classes

IZZEFlameLash · August 2018

1vXing non-potatoes are impossible and 1vXing good players have always been an impossibility unless the said 1 used exploits and broken mechanics to their favor only known to his/her circle of friends. All those so called 'immortal tank and spank' builds utilized 7th Legion when it had no cooldown for example.

thankyourat · August 2018

Swimguy wrote: »

Is it possible to 1vX good players this patch? Primarily the magsorc and magblade players or is it just completely unreasonable to try?

I get melted no matter the build (tried impreg,7th,armor master, fortified brass) all paired with bloodspawn and i still get melted by good magsorcs.
Even when its just one good sorc can barely stay alive for just 10 seconds trying to tank and line up DBOS.

(All impen traits too)

Yes i keep my vigor up like 80% of the time and 100% when im turtling up

You can 1vX decent players. I get a lot of 1vXes against players that aren't complete potatoes, but you will never 1vX good players or even average organized players because of game mechanics. If you are utilizing defensive sets and are still getting melted there is a problem with your skills or your skill level. sorc is strong but it's not game breaking strong you should still be able to survive longer than 10 seconds.

usmguy1234 · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

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usmguy1234 wrote: »

Swimguy wrote: »

Is it possible to 1vX good players this patch? Primarily the magsorc and magblade players or is it just completely unreasonable to try?

I get melted no matter the build (tried impreg,7th,armor master, fortified brass) all paired with bloodspawn and i still get melted by good magsorcs.
Even when its just one good sorc can barely stay alive for just 10 seconds trying to tank and line up DBOS.

(All impen traits too)

Yes i keep my vigor up like 80% of the time and 100% when im turtling up

As long as there's undodgeable skills in the game, no. That's the biggest gripe I have with this game... There's really no balancing going on, just flavor of the patch buffs/ debuffs to sorc and nightblade while the other class specs die slowly attrition with exception to the mutant stamwarden.

If roll dodge itself was the reason you could 1vX when you couldn't before, I'd say the game is out of balance, heavily in favor of Stam classes

Imo it seems that the fulcrum for most of these changes are based around nightblades and sorcs. Yet the changes don't really hurt them as much as the other classes if at all. There was a reason I quickly leveled up a sorc about 3 years ago after playing stamplar for about half a year.

CyrusArya · August 2018

Define good player. If a player is equal to or in the same tier as yourself, they will give you a competitive duel and you most likely will not 1vX them. But you absolutely still can 1vX high level, experienced, geared opponents. 1vX is the hardest format of content in the game period. It’s supposed to be that difficult.

If you wanna succeed, first make sure you know your class in and out, and how it matches up against the 9 other classes. Then, make sure you are utilizing the best tools available from gear to consumables to race. Finally, develop excellent situational awareness- this is the key to 1vX.

So study, gear up, and practice and you’re on your way.

Unfadingsilence · August 2018

Probably since 1.6 it's been almost impossible to 1vX Good players but also remember 1.6 had ALOT of broken setups and builds "full med, full nirn and unlimited rolling" on a Stam NB the best I've gotten is a 1v6 all where max CP and a few 2 stars and 3 star pvp players the rest where probably full PVE builds and players so pretty easy to take out.

amir412 · August 2018

Ask yourself, Can you win a "duel" vs 2 good players? I dont think so.

Thlepse · August 2018

for reference, winning 1v2 against players of equal or greater skill is regarded as very impressive, cause most times you wont survive or only manage to take one out. also its more challenging to 1vX on stamina compared to magicka because wrobel....

thankyourat · August 2018

Thlepse wrote: »

for reference, winning 1v2 against players of equal or greater skill is regarded as very impressive, cause most times you wont survive or only manage to take one out. also its more challenging to 1vX on stamina compared to magicka because wrobel....

That's completely false it is easier to 1vX on stamina. Besides stam sorc every other stamina class is stronger than their Magicka counterpart for 1vX gameplay.

Lexxypwns · August 2018

thankyourat wrote: »

Thlepse wrote: »

for reference, winning 1v2 against players of equal or greater skill is regarded as very impressive, cause most times you wont survive or only manage to take one out. also its more challenging to 1vX on stamina compared to magicka because wrobel....

That's completely false it is easier to 1vX on stamina. Besides stam sorc every other stamina class is stronger than their Magicka counterpart for 1vX gameplay.

Yeah, he’s delusional if he believes that magika is superior for 1vX.

@Swimguy it’s virtually impossible to 1vX good players who are actively engaged in trying to beat you. It’s very possible to 1vX good players who are on autopilot because they outnumber you and aren’t giving 100% focus

CompM4s · August 2018

1vx good players does not happen. Only 1vx new unexperienced players.

Feanor · August 2018

But...but...Sorc OP...

DeadlyRecluse · August 2018

TBH 1vX against actually good players has always been a bit of a pipe dream.

You occasionally get lucky and find a "good" player testing something out or not paying attention.

If you consider sequential ganks 1vX, it's possible.

Or if you consider bombing a form of 1vX, it's possible.

If you are in a patch when something is degenerately broken, it's possible (think permabats, or the first week after 1Tamriel when a few people put together the 2-3 proc setup before it became well known).

Swimguy · August 2018

thankyourat wrote: »

Swimguy wrote: »

Is it possible to 1vX good players this patch? Primarily the magsorc and magblade players or is it just completely unreasonable to try?

I get melted no matter the build (tried impreg,7th,armor master, fortified brass) all paired with bloodspawn and i still get melted by good magsorcs.
Even when its just one good sorc can barely stay alive for just 10 seconds trying to tank and line up DBOS.

(All impen traits too)

Yes i keep my vigor up like 80% of the time and 100% when im turtling up

You can 1vX decent players. I get a lot of 1vXes against players that aren't complete potatoes, but you will never 1vX good players or even average organized players because of game mechanics. If you are utilizing defensive sets and are still getting melted there is a problem with your skills or your skill level. sorc is strong but it's not game breaking strong you should still be able to survive longer than 10 seconds.

for the most part i dont *** my turtling up that much other than the occasional double skill press and when there is a lot of roots (cancer) and i overuse and/or underuse shuffler