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Can I Please Get an In-Depth Explanation of why Sorc is OP
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✭Well, Sorcs has strong shields and strong selfheal and strong St and AOE damage
At my sorc I can do solo that things, that I can't on other my characters (in PVE).
But for PVP I still prefer my NB - coz he is much stronger there
What self heal? Most of a Sorc's toolkit is outside of the Sorcerer tree (Force Pulse/Crushing, Absorb Magicka, Healing Ward, any of the Psijic skills, etc etc). Any class can use these options, or don't have to because they're already provided in their class
Critical Surge - it's freaking op
And winged twilight.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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✭brandonv516 wrote: »I always find it funny when people mention how shields "fall off" after so many seconds.
Like people don't just cast them prematurely or as the shield becomes weaker. You guys realize recasting starts the counter over right?
And if you cast it too much, you run out of Magicka. Sure, you can keep refreshing it, but if you refresh it every 3 seconds or less you're not gonna have magicka or time to DPS.
Spamming shields effectively gives the opponent the upper hand. They pressure you, your shields crumble because you have no MP, and they take no damage.
Spamming shields is effectively the worst possible way to play Sorc. You have to be smart about how you use them
When you run wizzards reposte, lich and engine guardian and have 50+ max magic you can spam shields all day and deal a ton of damage.
You clearly aren't building your sorc properly.Edited by Anti_Virus on August 6, 2018 6:41AMPower Wealth And Influence.1 -
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I don't have much time these days to level anymore.
I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.
It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic
U write u think that mage sorcerers are not overpowered in compare with another 4 classes. 1/5...
But, u know other classes only in theory.
Don't u feel something wrong in your actions?
[no one care if u have no time to learn but trying to come for a job, which required C++, Java and idk Python. If u want to get it, u should learn and be able to effectively use them all]
Got 1 of ever class combo.
Mag Sorc is underwhelming in compare too most others at higher end PvP.
Mag Sorc is subpar in PvE DPS (Only reason to bring them are for concuss uptime)
And by next patch everyone will use infused and lightning enchant on backbar, so no longer need for that 1 sorc.
Only thing people can cry about is Rune Cage, but that is getting destroyed anyway.
So please, why scream its OP when it's not? if you feel you're class is lacking something.
ASK FOR A BUFF FOR YOUR CLASS!It's almost like people have a right to complain about what they feel is inadequate regardless of other classes.
It's almost like other classes have their own problems that have nothing to do with Sorcerers.
Wow, I know right?
I'm not posting threads about Mag Warden because I don't play Mag Warden, care about Mag Warden, and know Mag Warden well enough to speak on it's issues.
It would be like posting a Nightblade thread saying to nerf their Breath of Life
Mag Wardens can care about Mag Wardens and talk about them. I care about Mag Sorcs and how this nerf affects them. The thing about Streak and Flame Clench is that they aren't nearly long enough to make your burst hit. 2-2.5 seconds would be perfect because it's not extremely long but not extremely short...you know, the same duration that Rune Cage actually is?
The thing about Magicka Sorcerer is that yeah it's decent, but it's bursty and is a really amazing noob killer...you're not gonna kill more than noobs with it though. A competent player is going to kill a Sorc very easily, and the Sorc won't often kill the competent player.
Being a noob killer is all fine and dandy but it would be great to be competitive.
For the most part your argument is "How DARE you want to buff a class that you feel inadequate when there are more classes that I feel are inadequate, which means you should be nerfed down at least as low as they are!"
You are aware there is not a limited supply of buffs that are rationed out to each class...yes?
If you cant kill anything but noobs on your sorc then you have a problem... lol what a funny statement to make.. Yet i should take your opinion as a sorc main.. Apparently not a good one..
And no my argument is; why are you so concerned about a minuscule nerf on a skill that no one used to care about until they realized it was OP? Now you all care so much? Why ask for more when you have so much? Because apparently you're unable to play your main class effectively and need as much as you can get to succeed. Fine, but it doesnt matter anyway because it is what it is at this point.
A lot of mediocrity is still mediocrity.
It's like that episode of the Office when Michael ordered Pizza By Alfredo instead of Alfredo's Pizza Café. He asked if everyone would rather have a lot of kind of okay pizza, or some really great pizza. Everyone agreed some of some really great pizza.
I don't want to do a lot of things pretty okay (most of what Sorc does). I'd like to do some things really well. Sorc is pretty much average or below average. It just has one literally broken skill, that was nerfed extremely harshly instead of just being fixed
well none of that makes sense considering what i said. You're 100% wrong. Sorc is an amazing class and is nowhere near mediocre. It is the only class that can effectively play a pet build.. It has a skill that negates melee damage, in mines. It has a ranged execute as well as some solid ranged damage skills.. and impolsion as another passive execute if the first one fails..
It has the biggest damage shield in the game. Abilities that allow you to line up burst that can wipe people in a second. Ways to get back resources. A third skill bar. Even some aoes. It also has a skill that excels in pvp, streak (a unique skill), because pvp is about largely about mobility and burst. Luckily it has burst too as i said before.
Again learn to play the class better and stop calling it mediocre. Im not here to tell you its a broken class. Im not here to tell you that it needs to be nerfed in a bunch of ways.. Im just saying the class is good and certainly not mediocre.
Honestly it sounds like you put waaay too much value on Sorc skills.
"Being the only class that can play a pet build"
Why is this even relevant? A Templar is the only class that can go jab-jab-jab with spears.
What does that have to do with anything?
As for the rest, such as third skill bar, etc...just because you have them doesnt make them good to use. Dark Conversion/Dark Deal really aren't anything special to write home about.
The main AoE it has is Liquid Lightning. Boundless Storm is more of a defensive option with a little bit of damage on the side (kinda like DK spiked armor). For Stam Sorcs though Hurricane is pretty good.
The burst combo is still delicate, and can be disrupted pretty easily by just about anyone...and if you cause the sorc to misplace one skill then the burst can be pretty easily outhealed.
The execute? It's the worst in the game. Low damage and the delay makes it not great in PvE. PvE Sorcs don't even execute anymore (another reason why it should just do a % more damage at low health like every other execute).
And Streak? Yeah it's alright. The sustain nerf was unnecessary, and it's situationally useful. Overall I don't have many complainants, but I also have my reasons for it not being very great if someone was to call it OP.
I know how to play my Sorc just fine...you just seem to waaaaay over value their skills for some strange reason.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Adernath✭✭✭✭✭There is no in-depth explanation.
People always find something to complain about unless there is only one class. And then they will complain about stamina vs magicka abilities. And if we would only drain from one resource they will complain about specific abilities against each other. (Just look at CS servers where people don't want the AWP). This will only end until we have 1 class and 5 abilities, one for each button.
Instead of trying to adapt and working on weaknesses in their builds, they want their builds to work in every situation and for every skill level. And if it doesn't, they rant on the forum about it. And so you just created yet another horrible thread full of general rants of people against the class. They don't even care if certain abilities were already nerfed in the past. They just found a nice opportunity to load their s. up here.webrgesner wrote: »Another reason why sorc is OP. Listen here. I have 48k mag and 4k spell damage... Do i need recovery? yes i back bar lich. but my recov is only 1200 without lich proc. But i can still sustain because of Harness Magic. [...]
Oh really? Harness Magicka is it now? Thanks for the laugh.0 -
NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »I always find it funny when people mention how shields "fall off" after so many seconds.
Like people don't just cast them prematurely or as the shield becomes weaker. You guys realize recasting starts the counter over right?
And if you cast it too much, you run out of Magicka. Sure, you can keep refreshing it, but if you refresh it every 3 seconds or less you're not gonna have magicka or time to DPS.
Spamming shields effectively gives the opponent the upper hand. They pressure you, your shields crumble because you have no MP, and they take no damage.
Spamming shields is effectively the worst possible way to play Sorc. You have to be smart about how you use them
When you run wizzards reposte, lich and engine guardian and have 50+ max magic you can spam shields all day and deal a ton of damage.
You clearly aren't building your sorc properly.
Ah yeah the elusive non emperor/necropotence/imperial physique magsorc that has 50k max magicka
I suppose you consider slotting inner light and bound aegis on shield bar for bigger shields viable too? 1 -
Anethum✭✭✭✭There's a huge difference between learning the code needed to do GET A JOB and leveling and learning classes in a video game.
You make time for your job, but for the game? Nah, you so what you can.
Nah, it's a good example, it's about incompetence.
If u don't know the system fully, u literally have no right to discuss class balance things, which this thread is about.
It's not about sorcs indefinite, it's about how it works in current system in compare with others.
And sorc can perform less unbalanced to others if to redesign rune cage, which is ridiculously op because of how it works - it's literally best cc in game it have no counter (*in next patch at least dodge, thanks aedra).
Rune Cage details:
- instant
- ranged
- undodable* and unblockable
- 5 seconds duration (and sometimes it's bugged to be unbreakable with full stamina so eternity) (@ZOS_Wrobel duration should be decreased to at least 3 seconds in addition to fix the bug)
- shows when target have no immunity
- deal damage at the end (it doesn't need it actually, no one cares about, but a little cream at this cake)
- no good signs, from what direction it had come.
Ridiculous.
And mage's fury - 4 seconds of pre-execute with giantic proc (thanks aedra dodgable in next patch at least) number and chance to activate implosion in addition. What's that?
Also, curse + for example meteor + crystals (only 1 reflectable instant proc) which can and come at the same moment.
Above described 2 things + this = op.
That's why people complain about.
Even if u live this, u're absolutly angry because no matter, do u see and know what's going on or not - rune cage will get u and keep to get all the damage above + execute + chance of implosion.
(and as usual u can even don't see this in fight, because all skills are ranged and can be cast from behind a group without any signs, who is an "author").
That's why many say that sorcs are op.
l2p before saying it's not.Edited by Anethum on August 6, 2018 9:33AM@Anethum from .ua3 -
Ender1310✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Only bad players with terrible DPS complain about shield stacking. It is one of the weakest forms of damage mitigation when out numbered. Rune Cage is of course over performing on live, but its already in line for a huge nerf. Nothing else about a sorc is OP. Their mobility and defense are both shells of what they used to be, their class defining skill (frags) has been nerfed so hard that it doesnt make a lot of peoples bars at this point.
I will tell you why sorcs are perceived as OP in PVP by the masses.
First: They excel at killing bad players. Bad players fail to understand how to build for or react to a sorc burst combo, and simply fall over dead, and respawn here on the forums to complain. The forget that EVERY class has a direct counter to a sorc burst. DKs can reflect half of it with wings, Wardens can absorb half with shimmering shield, Templars can purge it away, and Nightblades can simply vanish when cursed, forcing a sorc to reset the combo. Again, bad players struggle with this because they miss the obvious signs that a sorc combo is coming, fail to do any of the above, and eat the whole thing at once when the sorc does what they were designed to do, line up burst combos.
Second: Bad players have trouble killing sorcs. They only see health bars, which on a good sorc dont move a lot. They fail to understand how, or simply dont have the damage to pressure a sorcs shields. A good player can keep a sorc in full shield spam mode, which can only last for so long. Finally, as they only see health bars, they miss the fact that ultimately the way to kill a good sorc is to pressure their stamina pool, while keeping them on the defensive.
Third: They have a lower barrier of entry to play. They are a ranged class and have pretty straight forward offensive and defensive rotations. It is certainly an easier class to pick up, get some kills and feel like you are being effective. If a brand new NB and Sorc fight, my money is prob on the sorc. If the best of the best fight, the NB will win every time.
Fourth: Low MMR BGs over value killing blows, and that is one thing that sorcs certainly excel at doing. They have a unique execute that is pretty good a kill stealing. This is really only a BG issue. If endless fury kills you in open world, you were already dead.
Sorcs are not the best 1vx class, they are not the best damage class for a PVP raid, they dont make the best healers or tanks, they dont typically win the high end dueling tournaments, and you will never see more than one in a good pre made BG group. They are a one trick pony on offense, and have good defense against a single player. Again, rune cage is overtuned (this patch only), but its one skill and the #nerfsorc nonsense has been going on for years. The only time sorc has been truly OP was from a PVE perspective shortly after they reworked pets, but that is a distant memory at this point.
Dks can reflect half of it with their wings. You should run for potus. How reflect or even react when stunned?2 -
ArvenAldmeri✭✭✭✭✭Well, Sorcs has strong shields and strong selfheal and strong St and AOE damage
At my sorc I can do solo that things, that I can't on other my characters (in PVE).
But for PVP I still prefer my NB - coz he is much stronger there
Strong self heal? I think I am playing wrong class lol. Where is my strong self heal?Magicka sorcerer from start until the end. Always. Through the good times and the bad, even now when its probably saddest PvE dps it has ever been.
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griffkhalifa✭✭✭✭webrgesner wrote: »Me and another friend of mine play magsorc and were good at it. Even we both admit rune cage is op thats why we use it. Its obvious it is op. Shield stacking is equally strong as vigor i have no problem with shields. if you cant get through a players shield your build/burst just sucks. #BRING BACK FRAG CC
I miss frag CC and velocious curse.
You're literally just disagreeing with what everyone says. Just because you main a sorc and don't agree with why other people think it's OP doesn't mean their reasons are any less valid.
Rune Cage is broken. Blame it on net code, or the skill itself...it really doesn't matter, does it? Something needs to be changed with it. If you can't break free of it then it doesn't matter if it's lag or the skill itself...if you can't fix the lag then you need to fix the skill.PS4 NA2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mag sorcs are tough on new players that’s why they get so much hate. You add that in to a few shield stacking troll builds and you’ve got a lot of QQ. But the average open world mag sorc isn’t so bad. Rune Cage in its current form is a little OP but mostly in stun duration and the CC break bug. Of course ZOS is royally screwing up the adjustment and it will be useless next patch so no worries for all the whiners. Of course 99% of them will still get rekt by mag sorcs because it rarely has anything to do with a single skill. Most people waltz in here talking about shield stacking like you’ve got vigor running undearneath it. But most people are just full of it and have never tried mag sorc. Sure they’re strong, but so are other classes.Edited by Vapirko on August 6, 2018 2:51PM0 -
phillyproduct✭✭✭webrgesner wrote: »Another reason why sorc is OP. Listen here. I have 48k mag and 4k spell damage... Do i need recovery? yes i back bar lich. but my recov is only 1200 without lich proc. But i can still sustain because of Harness Magic. Everytime im fighting a magic user i dont need recovery because im getting 2.5k mag back. (the higher your mag/damage the more magic you get in return)
Not only that we have streak to kite and get away. So my combo is curse, fury, rune cage, and frags (if frags doesnt proc i would spam force pulse) on top of that if they dont die throw a meteor before rune cage. Its a strong burst. AND you cant even block the meteor. Tell me thats not OP
People in this thread are getting trolled everyone knows this combo it kills any1 and Literally has no counter 4-8k metor 4k excute 3k curse 4k frag if proc and 2.5k rune cage unblockable and undodgeable the whole combo....
Why is this thread even be entertained
Stop feeding trollsCP-750 orc nighblade ebonheart NA
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✭✭phillyproduct wrote: »webrgesner wrote: »Another reason why sorc is OP. Listen here. I have 48k mag and 4k spell damage... Do i need recovery? yes i back bar lich. but my recov is only 1200 without lich proc. But i can still sustain because of Harness Magic. Everytime im fighting a magic user i dont need recovery because im getting 2.5k mag back. (the higher your mag/damage the more magic you get in return)
Not only that we have streak to kite and get away. So my combo is curse, fury, rune cage, and frags (if frags doesnt proc i would spam force pulse) on top of that if they dont die throw a meteor before rune cage. Its a strong burst. AND you cant even block the meteor. Tell me thats not OP
People in this thread are getting trolled everyone knows this combo it kills any1 and Literally has no counter 4-8k metor 4k excute 3k curse 4k frag if proc and 2.5k rune cage unblockable and undodgeable the whole combo....
Why is this thread even be entertained
Stop feeding trolls
Okey, so 4-8k meteor OP? what about 14k Dawnbreakers from stams?
4k execute (nightblades hit harder)
3k curse (means you stood still for 3 sec without countering the sorc)
4k frag (if it procs, still nerfed from orginial)
2,5k rune cage (will be gone with patch)
So without ultimate that sums up too 13,5k hp without ult, and lets say your extremly lucky and get a 8k meteor, still only 21,5k dmg.
And then, you need too make all this hit at the same time, if not you have too wait 3sec again too build up new burst.
if you cannot survive that. you suck.Edited by Kikke on August 6, 2018 3:20PMCleared Trials:
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phillyproduct✭✭✭phillyproduct wrote: »webrgesner wrote: »Another reason why sorc is OP. Listen here. I have 48k mag and 4k spell damage... Do i need recovery? yes i back bar lich. but my recov is only 1200 without lich proc. But i can still sustain because of Harness Magic. Everytime im fighting a magic user i dont need recovery because im getting 2.5k mag back. (the higher your mag/damage the more magic you get in return)
Not only that we have streak to kite and get away. So my combo is curse, fury, rune cage, and frags (if frags doesnt proc i would spam force pulse) on top of that if they dont die throw a meteor before rune cage. Its a strong burst. AND you cant even block the meteor. Tell me thats not OP
People in this thread are getting trolled everyone knows this combo it kills any1 and Literally has no counter 4-8k metor 4k excute 3k curse 4k frag if proc and 2.5k rune cage unblockable and undodgeable the whole combo....
Why is this thread even be entertained
Stop feeding trolls
Okey, so 4-8k meteor OP? what about 14k Dawnbreakers from stams?
4k execute (nightblades hit harder)
3k curse (means you stood still for 3 sec without countering the sorc)
4k frag (if it procs, still nerfed from orginial)
2,5k rune cage (will be gone with patch)
So without ultimate that sums up too 13,5k hp without ult, and lets say your extremly lucky and get a 8k meteor, still only 21,5k dmg.
And then, you need too make all this hit at the same time, if not you have too wait 3sec again too build up new burst.
if you cannot survive that. you suck.
Except this combo can be done at the start of a fight then immediately again and again and again its also literally unblockable and undodgeable the 1st combo the second can be Dodged or avoided then the thrid cc immunity is up so rune cage again.
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NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Only bad players with terrible DPS complain about shield stacking. It is one of the weakest forms of damage mitigation when out numbered. Rune Cage is of course over performing on live, but its already in line for a huge nerf. Nothing else about a sorc is OP. Their mobility and defense are both shells of what they used to be, their class defining skill (frags) has been nerfed so hard that it doesnt make a lot of peoples bars at this point.
I will tell you why sorcs are perceived as OP in PVP by the masses.
First: They excel at killing bad players. Bad players fail to understand how to build for or react to a sorc burst combo, and simply fall over dead, and respawn here on the forums to complain. The forget that EVERY class has a direct counter to a sorc burst. DKs can reflect half of it with wings, Wardens can absorb half with shimmering shield, Templars can purge it away, and Nightblades can simply vanish when cursed, forcing a sorc to reset the combo. Again, bad players struggle with this because they miss the obvious signs that a sorc combo is coming, fail to do any of the above, and eat the whole thing at once when the sorc does what they were designed to do, line up burst combos.
Second: Bad players have trouble killing sorcs. They only see health bars, which on a good sorc dont move a lot. They fail to understand how, or simply dont have the damage to pressure a sorcs shields. A good player can keep a sorc in full shield spam mode, which can only last for so long. Finally, as they only see health bars, they miss the fact that ultimately the way to kill a good sorc is to pressure their stamina pool, while keeping them on the defensive.
Third: They have a lower barrier of entry to play. They are a ranged class and have pretty straight forward offensive and defensive rotations. It is certainly an easier class to pick up, get some kills and feel like you are being effective. If a brand new NB and Sorc fight, my money is prob on the sorc. If the best of the best fight, the NB will win every time.
Fourth: Low MMR BGs over value killing blows, and that is one thing that sorcs certainly excel at doing. They have a unique execute that is pretty good a kill stealing. This is really only a BG issue. If endless fury kills you in open world, you were already dead.
Sorcs are not the best 1vx class, they are not the best damage class for a PVP raid, they dont make the best healers or tanks, they dont typically win the high end dueling tournaments, and you will never see more than one in a good pre made BG group. They are a one trick pony on offense, and have good defense against a single player. Again, rune cage is overtuned (this patch only), but its one skill and the #nerfsorc nonsense has been going on for years. The only time sorc has been truly OP was from a PVE perspective shortly after they reworked pets, but that is a distant memory at this point.
Dks can reflect half of it with their wings. You should run for potus. How reflect or even react when stunned?
You get hit by curse and use wings, because you know there will be a runecage within the next two seconds. That really isn't rocket science now is it?....griffkhalifa wrote: »webrgesner wrote: »Me and another friend of mine play magsorc and were good at it. Even we both admit rune cage is op thats why we use it. Its obvious it is op. Shield stacking is equally strong as vigor i have no problem with shields. if you cant get through a players shield your build/burst just sucks. #BRING BACK FRAG CC
I miss frag CC and velocious curse.
You're literally just disagreeing with what everyone says. Just because you main a sorc and don't agree with why other people think it's OP doesn't mean their reasons are any less valid.
Rune Cage is broken. Blame it on net code, or the skill itself...it really doesn't matter, does it? Something needs to be changed with it. If you can't break free of it then it doesn't matter if it's lag or the skill itself...if you can't fix the lag then you need to fix the skill.
Yes we know runecage is overperforming. Nobody in here even wrote "runecage is totally fine the way it is" yet you all make it sound like that. It also doesn't matter what people perceive as OP as there is evidence. Just look at high level dueling and decent dueling tournaments. MagSorcs don't stand a chance there for a reason.phillyproduct wrote: »phillyproduct wrote: »webrgesner wrote: »Another reason why sorc is OP. Listen here. I have 48k mag and 4k spell damage... Do i need recovery? yes i back bar lich. but my recov is only 1200 without lich proc. But i can still sustain because of Harness Magic. Everytime im fighting a magic user i dont need recovery because im getting 2.5k mag back. (the higher your mag/damage the more magic you get in return)
Not only that we have streak to kite and get away. So my combo is curse, fury, rune cage, and frags (if frags doesnt proc i would spam force pulse) on top of that if they dont die throw a meteor before rune cage. Its a strong burst. AND you cant even block the meteor. Tell me thats not OP
People in this thread are getting trolled everyone knows this combo it kills any1 and Literally has no counter 4-8k metor 4k excute 3k curse 4k frag if proc and 2.5k rune cage unblockable and undodgeable the whole combo....
Why is this thread even be entertained
Stop feeding trolls
Okey, so 4-8k meteor OP? what about 14k Dawnbreakers from stams?
4k execute (nightblades hit harder)
3k curse (means you stood still for 3 sec without countering the sorc)
4k frag (if it procs, still nerfed from orginial)
2,5k rune cage (will be gone with patch)
So without ultimate that sums up too 13,5k hp without ult, and lets say your extremly lucky and get a 8k meteor, still only 21,5k dmg.
And then, you need too make all this hit at the same time, if not you have too wait 3sec again too build up new burst.
if you cannot survive that. you suck.
Except this combo can be done at the start of a fight then immediately again and again and again its also literally unblockable and undodgeable the 1st combo the second can be Dodged or avoided then the thrid cc immunity is up so rune cage again.
Mad at myself for even responding
Everyone can spam their combo all the time. Meteor is actually way more costly than DB or Incap which are used way more frequently. The sorc combo is so incredibly obvious that I am confused how anyone can say it can't be countered. As soon as meteor visual appears below your feet you can pop an immovable pot and will just walk out of it like it's nothing. Then sorcs oh so powerful combo is down for ages while you can do whatever you want. If regular curse + execute + rune cage + frags combo kills you then you should adjust your build.
Rune cage just got another nerf on PTS. So now is the perfect chance to actually learn how to play against magsorc and you can spare us any threads like "streak/shield/endless fury is op" next patch.2 -
Iki✭✭✭griffkhalifa wrote: »webrgesner wrote: »Me and another friend of mine play magsorc and were good at it. Even we both admit rune cage is op thats why we use it. Its obvious it is op. Shield stacking is equally strong as vigor i have no problem with shields. if you cant get through a players shield your build/burst just sucks. #BRING BACK FRAG CC
I miss frag CC and velocious curse.
You're literally just disagreeing with what everyone says. Just because you main a sorc and don't agree with why other people think it's OP doesn't mean their reasons are any less valid.
Rune Cage is broken. Blame it on net code, or the skill itself...it really doesn't matter, does it? Something needs to be changed with it. If you can't break free of it then it doesn't matter if it's lag or the skill itself...if you can't fix the lag then you need to fix the skill.
Can we use this same logic with other cc -abilities aswell? Like fear, incapa, fossilize.. they can also be slow or impossible to break free from. Or is it only sorcs that need nerf if lag helps them kill someone?0 -
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✭So I've been playing magsorc lately im pretty new to the class but i switched from magnb for a change of pace. Now is it strong? Yes very. OP? Not exactly. Alot of good points here on average players not seeing hp bars move and think nothing is happening.
The one thing I don't understand is why sorcs say they have crap sustan. This is coming from new sorc and magblade main so I'm not the most experienced, but imo dark conversion is best sustain skill. I guess people spam it too much and then get owned by a cc, but I have found this to be the best sustain skill in game. Siphon strikes is nice, but you don't get that chunk returned like you do with conversion, even if you let siphon run for the full return.0 -
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Infinite shield no.
Streaking to the next castle no
Rune cage is strong if you build like a glass cannon yes.PS4 EU DC
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✭✭✭griffkhalifa wrote: »webrgesner wrote: »Me and another friend of mine play magsorc and were good at it. Even we both admit rune cage is op thats why we use it. Its obvious it is op. Shield stacking is equally strong as vigor i have no problem with shields. if you cant get through a players shield your build/burst just sucks. #BRING BACK FRAG CC
I miss frag CC and velocious curse.
You're literally just disagreeing with what everyone says. Just because you main a sorc and don't agree with why other people think it's OP doesn't mean their reasons are any less valid.
Rune Cage is broken. Blame it on net code, or the skill itself...it really doesn't matter, does it? Something needs to be changed with it. If you can't break free of it then it doesn't matter if it's lag or the skill itself...if you can't fix the lag then you need to fix the skill.
I didnt say anything about Rune Cage and that post. I was agreeing that I wanted Frags backValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭So I've been playing magsorc lately im pretty new to the class but i switched from magnb for a change of pace. Now is it strong? Yes very. OP? Not exactly. Alot of good points here on average players not seeing hp bars move and think nothing is happening.
The one thing I don't understand is why sorcs say they have crap sustan. This is coming from new sorc and magblade main so I'm not the most experienced, but imo dark conversion is best sustain skill. I guess people spam it too much and then get owned by a cc, but I have found this to be the best sustain skill in game. Siphon strikes is nice, but you don't get that chunk returned like you do with conversion, even if you let siphon run for the full return.
Sustain for sorc is a big issue in PvE. In PvP is's okay due to dark conversion and lich.0 -
Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Because they can do 25K damage in a single global cooldown and their biggest struggle is deciding which skills not to use. . Same reason Nightblade is OP.
What irks me about sorcs is that they comprise 90% of the sloads complainers (now that NBs successfully whined their way to sload immunity), while simultaneously making up over 90% of the sload-wearing population.
I mean, every, now and then I'll see a searing strike that procced it, but usually its sandwhiched between rune cage and that pathetic execute.
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✭✭✭Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »Because they can do 25K damage in a single global cooldown and their biggest struggle is deciding which skills not to use. . Same reason Nightblade is OP.
What irks me about sorcs is that they comprise 90% of the sloads complainers (now that NBs successfully whined their way to sload immunity), while simultaneously making up over 90% of the sload-wearing population.
I mean, every, now and then I'll see a searing strike that procced it, but usually its sandwhiched between rune cage and that pathetic execute.
The nerf sload really needed was to have the magicka stats removed from it.
Found another one, everyoneValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭Do not expect a detailed explanation
All you will read is " Rune cage OP nerf " without any argument.
Its not OP its just broken.
The problem with it (and its the same with time warp or w/e its called from the psijic skill line) is that when you get stunned by rune cage there is an enormous delay between breaking free and when you actually click break free... this isn't lag related because it happens without lag as well.
Its an almost 2 second window where every player is vulnerable to everything. Defensive run also just compounds this problem.
The problem isn't the stun, its how it interacts with the break free mechanic in the game thats the problem. The stun is the exact same in fossilize so in theory if it was purely lag or a stun problem then the same problem would occur with fossilise. But it doesn't this is specific too the psijic stun and Rune cage. It is by definition, broken.Edited by xeNNNNN on August 6, 2018 9:19PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.1 -
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✭NupidStoob wrote: »Anti_Virus wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »I always find it funny when people mention how shields "fall off" after so many seconds.
Like people don't just cast them prematurely or as the shield becomes weaker. You guys realize recasting starts the counter over right?
And if you cast it too much, you run out of Magicka. Sure, you can keep refreshing it, but if you refresh it every 3 seconds or less you're not gonna have magicka or time to DPS.
Spamming shields effectively gives the opponent the upper hand. They pressure you, your shields crumble because you have no MP, and they take no damage.
Spamming shields is effectively the worst possible way to play Sorc. You have to be smart about how you use them
When you run wizzards reposte, lich and engine guardian and have 50+ max magic you can spam shields all day and deal a ton of damage.
You clearly aren't building your sorc properly.
Ah yeah the elusive non emperor/necropotence/imperial physique magsorc that has 50k max magicka I suppose you consider slotting inner light and bound aegis on shield bar for bigger shields viable too?
What ever is way to reach that number and no you don't need imperial physique. But is possible and when done right is lethal.Edited by Anti_Virus on August 6, 2018 7:12PMPower Wealth And Influence.0 -
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✭IMO it's the ease at which they get incredible results.
The entire kit is ranged giving mSorcs superior positioning pretty much always. This is tied to rune cage power level: comparable CCs require a player to be essentially humping the target (in the case of fear) to land it, whereas the buffed range of RC is what, like 35m?
The way mSorc dmg combo works makes it difficult to react to. Take for example a DK or NB. You can watch your health tick down when pressured by the mDK giving you ample opportunity to react. A sNB will chunk your health down with the classic LA/SA weave at consistent intervals. Normally, you'd react defensively when pressured below 25-50% health (at least I do, depending on the situation, obvs). A mSorc in contrast can force you onto the defensive at a much higher health % since all they have to do is get you low. The execute debuff + passive execute together mean a mSorc only has to pressure a target below 25% vs. every other class that needs to secure a kill via dodge-able executes (or no executes lol).
mSorcs are the best zerging/Xv1 class. This is a combination of the above two points. Mages Wrath/Fury, Implosion, and RC while being fully ranged turn mSorc into an afk AP collector. This isn't even really a huge deal since everything is viable in a zerg, it's just easiest on a mSorc for the reasons listed above.
Lastly, since the dawn of time mSorc has the best power scaling mechanic (Max Magicka) directly tied to their defensive power. This horse is dead and beaten, but OP asked for in depth so...
In reference to the first point, I'd like to see the mSorc skill floor be raised, making them more challenging to play, and therefore more rewarding, without lowering their power level. I've also assumed this thread was about mSorc PVP, so if not MY BAD. IDK how the planned RC nerfs will affect things, this is just my opinion of mSorc on live.
edit: I keep thinking of more things lol: access to negate and the perk of encase make mSorc essentially a requirement for any largescale group play.Edited by kadar on August 6, 2018 8:03PM4 -
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I don't have much time these days to level anymore.
I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.
It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic
U write u think that mage sorcerers are not overpowered in compare with another 4 classes. 1/5...
But, u know other classes only in theory.
Don't u feel something wrong in your actions?
[no one care if u have no time to learn but trying to come for a job, which required C++, Java and idk Python. If u want to get it, u should learn and be able to effectively use them all]
Got 1 of ever class combo.
Mag Sorc is underwhelming in compare too most others at higher end PvP.
Mag Sorc is subpar in PvE DPS (Only reason to bring them are for concuss uptime)
And by next patch everyone will use infused and lightning enchant on backbar, so no longer need for that 1 sorc.
Only thing people can cry about is Rune Cage, but that is getting destroyed anyway.
So please, why scream its OP when it's not? if you feel you're class is lacking something.
ASK FOR A BUFF FOR YOUR CLASS!It's almost like people have a right to complain about what they feel is inadequate regardless of other classes.
It's almost like other classes have their own problems that have nothing to do with Sorcerers.
Wow, I know right?
I'm not posting threads about Mag Warden because I don't play Mag Warden, care about Mag Warden, and know Mag Warden well enough to speak on it's issues.
It would be like posting a Nightblade thread saying to nerf their Breath of Life
Mag Wardens can care about Mag Wardens and talk about them. I care about Mag Sorcs and how this nerf affects them. The thing about Streak and Flame Clench is that they aren't nearly long enough to make your burst hit. 2-2.5 seconds would be perfect because it's not extremely long but not extremely short...you know, the same duration that Rune Cage actually is?
The thing about Magicka Sorcerer is that yeah it's decent, but it's bursty and is a really amazing noob killer...you're not gonna kill more than noobs with it though. A competent player is going to kill a Sorc very easily, and the Sorc won't often kill the competent player.
Being a noob killer is all fine and dandy but it would be great to be competitive.
For the most part your argument is "How DARE you want to buff a class that you feel inadequate when there are more classes that I feel are inadequate, which means you should be nerfed down at least as low as they are!"
You are aware there is not a limited supply of buffs that are rationed out to each class...yes?
If you cant kill anything but noobs on your sorc then you have a problem... lol what a funny statement to make.. Yet i should take your opinion as a sorc main.. Apparently not a good one..
And no my argument is; why are you so concerned about a minuscule nerf on a skill that no one used to care about until they realized it was OP? Now you all care so much? Why ask for more when you have so much? Because apparently you're unable to play your main class effectively and need as much as you can get to succeed. Fine, but it doesnt matter anyway because it is what it is at this point.
A lot of mediocrity is still mediocrity.
It's like that episode of the Office when Michael ordered Pizza By Alfredo instead of Alfredo's Pizza Café. He asked if everyone would rather have a lot of kind of okay pizza, or some really great pizza. Everyone agreed some of some really great pizza.
I don't want to do a lot of things pretty okay (most of what Sorc does). I'd like to do some things really well. Sorc is pretty much average or below average. It just has one literally broken skill, that was nerfed extremely harshly instead of just being fixed
well none of that makes sense considering what i said. You're 100% wrong. Sorc is an amazing class and is nowhere near mediocre. It is the only class that can effectively play a pet build.. It has a skill that negates melee damage, in mines. It has a ranged execute as well as some solid ranged damage skills.. and impolsion as another passive execute if the first one fails..
It has the biggest damage shield in the game. Abilities that allow you to line up burst that can wipe people in a second. Ways to get back resources. A third skill bar. Even some aoes. It also has a skill that excels in pvp, streak (a unique skill), because pvp is about largely about mobility and burst. Luckily it has burst too as i said before.
Again learn to play the class better and stop calling it mediocre. Im not here to tell you its a broken class. Im not here to tell you that it needs to be nerfed in a bunch of ways.. Im just saying the class is good and certainly not mediocre.
Honestly it sounds like you put waaay too much value on Sorc skills.
"Being the only class that can play a pet build"
Why is this even relevant? A Templar is the only class that can go jab-jab-jab with spears.
What does that have to do with anything?
As for the rest, such as third skill bar, etc...just because you have them doesnt make them good to use. Dark Conversion/Dark Deal really aren't anything special to write home about.
The main AoE it has is Liquid Lightning. Boundless Storm is more of a defensive option with a little bit of damage on the side (kinda like DK spiked armor). For Stam Sorcs though Hurricane is pretty good.
The burst combo is still delicate, and can be disrupted pretty easily by just about anyone...and if you cause the sorc to misplace one skill then the burst can be pretty easily outhealed.
The execute? It's the worst in the game. Low damage and the delay makes it not great in PvE. PvE Sorcs don't even execute anymore (another reason why it should just do a % more damage at low health like every other execute).
And Streak? Yeah it's alright. The sustain nerf was unnecessary, and it's situationally useful. Overall I don't have many complainants, but I also have my reasons for it not being very great if someone was to call it OP.
I know how to play my Sorc just fine...you just seem to waaaaay over value their skills for some strange reason.
No. No. No. Fury is fine. What do you mean? are we talking about pve here? Although im pretty sure that fury is bugged right now... I keep getting killed by fury procs at like 50-65% health... Its annoying.. But fury is a ranged execute on a class with huge burst potential. Also the damn thing just stays on you. Its not even like the sorc HAS to execute you. They can just keep it on you and wait for your health to drop.. Also isnt is non dodge-able? Its fine.
Reading through this thread it seems you're in the minority. I dont think you're building correctly. Either that or you are just saying all of these things to make sorc seem worse off than it is. I dont expect to change your mind. Nor do i expect you to care about other classes or this game ever getting close to balance. Big picture stuff, you know? But I do hope you can learn to look at things from different perspectives.
Also let me point this out to you again. Every class has strengths and weaknesses. Looking at a skill you must take everything into consideration about it. All combinations. You think i over value skills? No. You dont value them enough. The skills sorcs have to utilize are strong. All classes have skills that are strong. The point is how you combine those skills with other class, weapon, armor, and guild skills. Plus the sets you have to utilize. Right now the way rune prison is being utilized with other skills is just too strong..0 -
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I don't have much time these days to level anymore.
I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.
It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic
U write u think that mage sorcerers are not overpowered in compare with another 4 classes. 1/5...
But, u know other classes only in theory.
Don't u feel something wrong in your actions?
[no one care if u have no time to learn but trying to come for a job, which required C++, Java and idk Python. If u want to get it, u should learn and be able to effectively use them all]
Got 1 of ever class combo.
Mag Sorc is underwhelming in compare too most others at higher end PvP.
Mag Sorc is subpar in PvE DPS (Only reason to bring them are for concuss uptime)
And by next patch everyone will use infused and lightning enchant on backbar, so no longer need for that 1 sorc.
Only thing people can cry about is Rune Cage, but that is getting destroyed anyway.
So please, why scream its OP when it's not? if you feel you're class is lacking something.
ASK FOR A BUFF FOR YOUR CLASS!It's almost like people have a right to complain about what they feel is inadequate regardless of other classes.
It's almost like other classes have their own problems that have nothing to do with Sorcerers.
Wow, I know right?
I'm not posting threads about Mag Warden because I don't play Mag Warden, care about Mag Warden, and know Mag Warden well enough to speak on it's issues.
It would be like posting a Nightblade thread saying to nerf their Breath of Life
Mag Wardens can care about Mag Wardens and talk about them. I care about Mag Sorcs and how this nerf affects them. The thing about Streak and Flame Clench is that they aren't nearly long enough to make your burst hit. 2-2.5 seconds would be perfect because it's not extremely long but not extremely short...you know, the same duration that Rune Cage actually is?
The thing about Magicka Sorcerer is that yeah it's decent, but it's bursty and is a really amazing noob killer...you're not gonna kill more than noobs with it though. A competent player is going to kill a Sorc very easily, and the Sorc won't often kill the competent player.
Being a noob killer is all fine and dandy but it would be great to be competitive.
For the most part your argument is "How DARE you want to buff a class that you feel inadequate when there are more classes that I feel are inadequate, which means you should be nerfed down at least as low as they are!"
You are aware there is not a limited supply of buffs that are rationed out to each class...yes?
If you cant kill anything but noobs on your sorc then you have a problem... lol what a funny statement to make.. Yet i should take your opinion as a sorc main.. Apparently not a good one..
And no my argument is; why are you so concerned about a minuscule nerf on a skill that no one used to care about until they realized it was OP? Now you all care so much? Why ask for more when you have so much? Because apparently you're unable to play your main class effectively and need as much as you can get to succeed. Fine, but it doesnt matter anyway because it is what it is at this point.
A lot of mediocrity is still mediocrity.
It's like that episode of the Office when Michael ordered Pizza By Alfredo instead of Alfredo's Pizza Café. He asked if everyone would rather have a lot of kind of okay pizza, or some really great pizza. Everyone agreed some of some really great pizza.
I don't want to do a lot of things pretty okay (most of what Sorc does). I'd like to do some things really well. Sorc is pretty much average or below average. It just has one literally broken skill, that was nerfed extremely harshly instead of just being fixed
well none of that makes sense considering what i said. You're 100% wrong. Sorc is an amazing class and is nowhere near mediocre. It is the only class that can effectively play a pet build.. It has a skill that negates melee damage, in mines. It has a ranged execute as well as some solid ranged damage skills.. and impolsion as another passive execute if the first one fails..
It has the biggest damage shield in the game. Abilities that allow you to line up burst that can wipe people in a second. Ways to get back resources. A third skill bar. Even some aoes. It also has a skill that excels in pvp, streak (a unique skill), because pvp is about largely about mobility and burst. Luckily it has burst too as i said before.
Again learn to play the class better and stop calling it mediocre. Im not here to tell you its a broken class. Im not here to tell you that it needs to be nerfed in a bunch of ways.. Im just saying the class is good and certainly not mediocre.
Honestly it sounds like you put waaay too much value on Sorc skills.
"Being the only class that can play a pet build"
Why is this even relevant? A Templar is the only class that can go jab-jab-jab with spears.
What does that have to do with anything?
As for the rest, such as third skill bar, etc...just because you have them doesnt make them good to use. Dark Conversion/Dark Deal really aren't anything special to write home about.
The main AoE it has is Liquid Lightning. Boundless Storm is more of a defensive option with a little bit of damage on the side (kinda like DK spiked armor). For Stam Sorcs though Hurricane is pretty good.
The burst combo is still delicate, and can be disrupted pretty easily by just about anyone...and if you cause the sorc to misplace one skill then the burst can be pretty easily outhealed.
The execute? It's the worst in the game. Low damage and the delay makes it not great in PvE. PvE Sorcs don't even execute anymore (another reason why it should just do a % more damage at low health like every other execute).
And Streak? Yeah it's alright. The sustain nerf was unnecessary, and it's situationally useful. Overall I don't have many complainants, but I also have my reasons for it not being very great if someone was to call it OP.
I know how to play my Sorc just fine...you just seem to waaaaay over value their skills for some strange reason.
No. No. No. Fury is fine. What do you mean? are we talking about pve here? Although im pretty sure that fury is bugged right now... I keep getting killed by fury procs at like 50-65% health... Its annoying.. But fury is a ranged execute on a class with huge burst potential. Also the damn thing just stays on you. Its not even like the sorc HAS to execute you. They can just keep it on you and wait for your health to drop.. Also isnt is non dodge-able? Its fine.
Reading through this thread it seems you're in the minority. I dont think you're building correctly. Either that or you are just saying all of these things to make sorc seem worse off than it is. I dont expect to change your mind. Nor do i expect you to care about other classes or this game ever getting close to balance. Big picture stuff, you know? But I do hope you can learn to look at things from different perspectives.
Also let me point this out to you again. Every class has strengths and weaknesses. Looking at a skill you must take everything into consideration about it. All combinations. You think i over value skills? No. You dont value them enough. The skills sorcs have to utilize are strong. All classes have skills that are strong. The point is how you combine those skills with other class, weapon, armor, and guild skills. Plus the sets you have to utilize. Right now the way rune prison is being utilized with other skills is just too strong..
I'm talking PvE and PvP in respect to sorc strengths and weaknesses. In PvE, Mages' is a trash execute that no one uses, for example.
And Rune Prison is fine if it works. The problem is that it is literally broken. Instead of being fixed, it was gutted with no compensation.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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I don't have much time these days to level anymore.
I understand the theory of most classes. Pretty much just not Warden because I've never even bothered to do research on them. The class just doesn't intrigue me on any level.
It has a bear, ice spells, and bad DPS. Not as appealing as or fun sounding as fire, lightning, blood magic, and light magic
U write u think that mage sorcerers are not overpowered in compare with another 4 classes. 1/5...
But, u know other classes only in theory.
Don't u feel something wrong in your actions?
[no one care if u have no time to learn but trying to come for a job, which required C++, Java and idk Python. If u want to get it, u should learn and be able to effectively use them all]
Got 1 of ever class combo.
Mag Sorc is underwhelming in compare too most others at higher end PvP.
Mag Sorc is subpar in PvE DPS (Only reason to bring them are for concuss uptime)
And by next patch everyone will use infused and lightning enchant on backbar, so no longer need for that 1 sorc.
Only thing people can cry about is Rune Cage, but that is getting destroyed anyway.
So please, why scream its OP when it's not? if you feel you're class is lacking something.
ASK FOR A BUFF FOR YOUR CLASS!It's almost like people have a right to complain about what they feel is inadequate regardless of other classes.
It's almost like other classes have their own problems that have nothing to do with Sorcerers.
Wow, I know right?
I'm not posting threads about Mag Warden because I don't play Mag Warden, care about Mag Warden, and know Mag Warden well enough to speak on it's issues.
It would be like posting a Nightblade thread saying to nerf their Breath of Life
Mag Wardens can care about Mag Wardens and talk about them. I care about Mag Sorcs and how this nerf affects them. The thing about Streak and Flame Clench is that they aren't nearly long enough to make your burst hit. 2-2.5 seconds would be perfect because it's not extremely long but not extremely short...you know, the same duration that Rune Cage actually is?
The thing about Magicka Sorcerer is that yeah it's decent, but it's bursty and is a really amazing noob killer...you're not gonna kill more than noobs with it though. A competent player is going to kill a Sorc very easily, and the Sorc won't often kill the competent player.
Being a noob killer is all fine and dandy but it would be great to be competitive.
For the most part your argument is "How DARE you want to buff a class that you feel inadequate when there are more classes that I feel are inadequate, which means you should be nerfed down at least as low as they are!"
You are aware there is not a limited supply of buffs that are rationed out to each class...yes?
If you cant kill anything but noobs on your sorc then you have a problem... lol what a funny statement to make.. Yet i should take your opinion as a sorc main.. Apparently not a good one..
And no my argument is; why are you so concerned about a minuscule nerf on a skill that no one used to care about until they realized it was OP? Now you all care so much? Why ask for more when you have so much? Because apparently you're unable to play your main class effectively and need as much as you can get to succeed. Fine, but it doesnt matter anyway because it is what it is at this point.
A lot of mediocrity is still mediocrity.
It's like that episode of the Office when Michael ordered Pizza By Alfredo instead of Alfredo's Pizza Café. He asked if everyone would rather have a lot of kind of okay pizza, or some really great pizza. Everyone agreed some of some really great pizza.
I don't want to do a lot of things pretty okay (most of what Sorc does). I'd like to do some things really well. Sorc is pretty much average or below average. It just has one literally broken skill, that was nerfed extremely harshly instead of just being fixed
well none of that makes sense considering what i said. You're 100% wrong. Sorc is an amazing class and is nowhere near mediocre. It is the only class that can effectively play a pet build.. It has a skill that negates melee damage, in mines. It has a ranged execute as well as some solid ranged damage skills.. and impolsion as another passive execute if the first one fails..
It has the biggest damage shield in the game. Abilities that allow you to line up burst that can wipe people in a second. Ways to get back resources. A third skill bar. Even some aoes. It also has a skill that excels in pvp, streak (a unique skill), because pvp is about largely about mobility and burst. Luckily it has burst too as i said before.
Again learn to play the class better and stop calling it mediocre. Im not here to tell you its a broken class. Im not here to tell you that it needs to be nerfed in a bunch of ways.. Im just saying the class is good and certainly not mediocre.
Honestly it sounds like you put waaay too much value on Sorc skills.
"Being the only class that can play a pet build"
Why is this even relevant? A Templar is the only class that can go jab-jab-jab with spears.
What does that have to do with anything?
As for the rest, such as third skill bar, etc...just because you have them doesnt make them good to use. Dark Conversion/Dark Deal really aren't anything special to write home about.
The main AoE it has is Liquid Lightning. Boundless Storm is more of a defensive option with a little bit of damage on the side (kinda like DK spiked armor). For Stam Sorcs though Hurricane is pretty good.
The burst combo is still delicate, and can be disrupted pretty easily by just about anyone...and if you cause the sorc to misplace one skill then the burst can be pretty easily outhealed.
The execute? It's the worst in the game. Low damage and the delay makes it not great in PvE. PvE Sorcs don't even execute anymore (another reason why it should just do a % more damage at low health like every other execute).
And Streak? Yeah it's alright. The sustain nerf was unnecessary, and it's situationally useful. Overall I don't have many complainants, but I also have my reasons for it not being very great if someone was to call it OP.
I know how to play my Sorc just fine...you just seem to waaaaay over value their skills for some strange reason.
No. No. No. Fury is fine. What do you mean? are we talking about pve here? Although im pretty sure that fury is bugged right now... I keep getting killed by fury procs at like 50-65% health... Its annoying.. But fury is a ranged execute on a class with huge burst potential. Also the damn thing just stays on you. Its not even like the sorc HAS to execute you. They can just keep it on you and wait for your health to drop.. Also isnt is non dodge-able? Its fine.
Reading through this thread it seems you're in the minority. I dont think you're building correctly. Either that or you are just saying all of these things to make sorc seem worse off than it is. I dont expect to change your mind. Nor do i expect you to care about other classes or this game ever getting close to balance. Big picture stuff, you know? But I do hope you can learn to look at things from different perspectives.
Also let me point this out to you again. Every class has strengths and weaknesses. Looking at a skill you must take everything into consideration about it. All combinations. You think i over value skills? No. You dont value them enough. The skills sorcs have to utilize are strong. All classes have skills that are strong. The point is how you combine those skills with other class, weapon, armor, and guild skills. Plus the sets you have to utilize. Right now the way rune prison is being utilized with other skills is just too strong..
I'm talking PvE and PvP in respect to sorc strengths and weaknesses. In PvE, Mages' is a trash execute that no one uses, for example.
And Rune Prison is fine if it works. The problem is that it is literally broken. Instead of being fixed, it was gutted with no compensation.
Well thankfully you're on a class with much, much, more to utilize than other classes so compensation wont be needed for sorcs to still succeed in this game.. If other classes can play with so little, im sure sorcs will be fine...
And it has not been gutted, come on now. Just because it doesn't deal damage doesn't mean its ruined.. Did something else happen to it that i am unaware of? Ive heard rumors that you would be able to dodge it but idk if they're true.0
