Would You Like to See NMA Updated To Give Imperfected Maelstrom Weapons

Smitch_59 · August 2018

Other

Shezzarrine · August 2018

No

Sure, and while we are at it why not just make perfected vCR gear drop in normal fungal grotto, or better yet let it all be available at a vendor for one gold a piece. Who needs to work for anything, rewards for accomplishing stuff is so overrated

Agenericname · August 2018

Yes

code65536 wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Yes, on the condition that they actually make it harder. nMA and vMA are so different in levels of difficulty that they might as well just give you a map of the arena and your skill points for reading it. nMA should at least be a stepping stone on the path to a vMA clear.

Why? nAS and nCR are easy and do virtually nothing to prepare players for vAS HM and vCR HM.

In that case I think that you can make a case that the difficulty in a few areas of this game doesn't progress well. I would prefer that nMA's difficulty were increased whether or not there were additional rewards involved at all. That alone would make the weapons more accessible than they are now.

CelticStones · August 2018

ZOS want to lower the ceiling and raise the floor, this would seem to be an obvious idea to help that a tiny bit. I get the 'leets' wanna keep their shiny stuff all to themselves but if you can beat vma you dont need stronger weapons. If you cant beat it, stronger weapons will help. Seems obvious.

Beardimus · August 2018

No

Nope.

vMA is doable with practice. If you need the vMA staff to do hard content you are going to need to be stormproof at least anyway. So focus on getting vMA done, when its done you are good enough for the vMA weapon to matter.

DocFrost72 · August 2018

Yes

Beardimus wrote: »

Nope.

vMA is doable with practice. If you need the vMA staff to do hard content you are going to need to be stormproof at least anyway. So focus on getting vMA done, when its done you are good enough for the vMA weapon to matter.

What if we have multiple flawless titles and several storm proofs across 5 specs tho?

MakeMeUhSamich · August 2018

No

I’m not a fan of the imperfect/perfect nonsense in the first place.

ReachHalo · August 2018

No

Sorry to all who can't complete vMA, but i dont believe you deserve a watered-down maelstrom weapon for completing nMA. Someone who has put in the time, effort and dedication to complete vMA and join that exclusive 10% (i think) of players who have... they deserve the exclusive weapons that are rewarded... most of which are useless to the majority of players anyway.

Valrien · August 2018

code65536 wrote: »

Sure, make the current weapons imperfect. And then add new perfected weapons with 1p stat bonuses that require a sigil-free no-save run to get.

That's super easy to do though

Kel · August 2018

Yes

My gut says sure why not...but vMA weapons themselves, while still good, aren't what they used to be. Between a vMA or Masters Bow, I'll chose Master Bow everytime. Raw weapon damage over a skill I may not use all the time.
So, just understand while nice to have, they'd probably be so watered down that regular set pieces would be comprable. And in that case, why the hell not? It literally would take no shine from other players vMA achievement.

Taleof2Cities · August 2018

Yes

I'm on board with it ... maybe have them be CP150 though.

Valrien · August 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I'm on board with it ... maybe have them be CP150 though.

They already are CP150, and this change is pointless if they stay CP150

DuskMarine · August 2018

No

maelstrom weapons arent even bis anymore you can litterally forget them. so no you dont need a imperfect one do vet mode and earn it right.

Yubarius · August 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

No, but I would like perfect runs to give perfect weapons and runs with deaths to give the regular weapons. If you want the weapons you need to earn them by doing vma

As much as I've done vma I've only gotten flawless once, and locking perfect versions behind FLAWLESS runs is absolutely absurd. I'd be cool if there was a score requirement, say, above 500k that would be ok I guess because that means you're pretty proficient at it. The perfect wepons from trials dont require no death runs, and I'm 100% sure there would be an uproar if that ever became a thing.

karekiz · August 2018

Yes

As someone who has completed it.

Sure, why not? The imperfect/perfect system is great. Anyone who thinks VMA will "take a hit" or something is kidding themselves just as much as "If you allow people to upgrade rings/necks nobody will do vet raids" thought.

Artim_X · August 2018

Other

I for one would like the Maelstrom and Master weapons to get their stat boosts back. However, it'd be great if the final chest was smart enough to know whether you needed a physical or magical weapon. The weapons should be earned in vet, but the grind for the weapon itself should be alleviated a bit with smarter loot, since you can't transmute a staff into an axe.

supaskrub · August 2018

No

Why do we have to keep dumbing down rewards from harder content and giving 'imperfect' rewards for easy mode completions?.. Leave nMA as it is and leave vMA as it is, nothing needs changing.

crjs1 · August 2018

Yes

Great idea and would be good incentive for people to try NMA who are not quite ready for VMA. More accessibility is a good thing. I have always felt that the reward for doing vet and hard content should be the challenge rather than just for better equipment.

The whole ‘I had to grind this for 50 hours to get my sparkling gear, so you should suffer the pain too...’ makes no sense. So what if they make changes so other people don’t need the pain of a ridiculous grind to get good equipment. It would be good for newer players.

AbysmalGhul · August 2018

Eh? I can't hear you TC! Stand a little closer. Oh? What's that? You want easy access to harder content rewards? You want the ceiling lowered? Back in my day we had to carve our own Maelstrom weapons. We even had to RNG the whittling knife from a chest to make 'em. The whittling knife was sturdy as a lockpick being used on master chest. Yup, back in my day

boombazookajd · August 2018

You shouldn't have had to run vMA 200 times for a bow or staff and we still shouldn't have to run ANY content 200 times for a stupid piece of equipment. The whole idea of a grind is archaic.

Now, I'm not suggesting that we just hand over vMA weapons but a token system would make the whole process much more rewarding.

For instance:

All vMA weapons cost 100 tokens (rename them to something lore/game friendly). Each run earns a base reward of 10 tokens. So, for a base clear, using sigils and dying you get 10 and it would take 10 of these clears for your to choose your weapon. A bonus for no sigils or not dying, lets say 5 per award. Thats 20 for a flawless run. Therefore, 5 flawless runs and boom, you've got your pick of your weapon.

That's not a perfect solution, as the idea of a flawless run really should award you a pick, so maybe if you manage a flawless run, thats a full 100 tokens?

This would give folks a clear and concise goal, alleviate the mental hell that is RNG (which, lets be real, has no place in a game where we all come to decompress from the B.S. of real life), and doesn't do anything to ruin the status of having maelstrom weapons (you know, because double drops in vMA doesn't do that already) AND it still requires you to run the content more than once, which is something that COULD be avoided now, as a select few have received their bow or staff on their first or second runs, or under 10 runs total.

Tasear · August 2018

Yes

Aliyavana wrote: »

No, but I would like perfect runs to give perfect weapons and runs with deaths to give the regular weapons. If you want the weapons you need to earn them by doing vma

That's interesting idea outside this this scope.What if we were rewarded for not dying in content? This would stop or evelated run and die methods in places like mazzutum, falkreath,

Radox0 · August 2018

No

On the fence, but leaning slightly towards No. Only reason being, I think the Malestrom Arena is a good way to get proficient at mechanics and your class and help with similar difficult content. I think if your at the point where the increase in DPS from the Maelstrom Items matter that much to what your trying to do / achieve ( I suspect trial scoreboard runs) then you will likely be able to do the malestrom on vet, if not flawless, at least complete it with sigals.

With that said, I do think their needs to be an intermediate step of some kind as normal is an absolute pushover and Vet is brutal until your first pass (then is seems to be much easier)

MrGarlic · August 2018

Yes

I think we need a new single (or duo) player trial with new desirable weapons.

Solo = Perfect weapons
Duo = Imperfect weapons.

Yes/No?

Riptide · August 2018

No

nMA can be strolled through. vMA is several orders of magnitude more difficult.

If nMA difficulty were increased quite a lot, maybe. As it stands nMA is not for folks who aren’t quite ready for vMA, its more like overland content vs vet trials. Simply too much disparity.

vMA is worth the effort. Put it in.

Nebthet78 · August 2018

Yes

Agenericname wrote: »

Yes, on the condition that they actually make it harder. nMA and vMA are so different in levels of difficulty that they might as well just give you a map of the arena and your skill points for reading it. nMA should at least be a stepping stone on the path to a vMA clear.

That's a problem with a lot of the end game dungeons of this game. The skill difference required between normal and veteran modes of Trials and these Arenas is too large. They really need to make an intermediate mode to help train players for the Veteran modes.

Too many times, and myself included... people are complaining that they can steam roll normal modes of content while they are hit with a wall in the Veteran content or left out because they don't meet the requirements by raid guilds to run with them. There needs to be an intermediate mode (no leaderboards) where players can train and learn the mechanics before graduating up to the more difficult veteran content.

Many times, people just want to play the content and feel satisfied with their level of skill. But when you are in that in betwen right now.. what happens is that you end up just not playing the game at all because you end up being made to feel utterly incompetent by the more elite players, whom, no matter what will always steamroll content.

AbysmalGhul · August 2018

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Many times, people just want to play the content and feel satisfied with their level of skill. But when you are in that in betwen right now.. what happens is that you end up just not playing the game at all because you end up being made to feel utterly incompetent by the more elite players, whom, no matter what will always steamroll content.

Competent players became competent players because they practiced and surround themselves with like minded people. People don't start off as great out of the box. You have to put in effort and then that effort will eventually pay off in the end.

In the end, obtaining great gear will do nothing for if you can't overcome challenges and learn the nuances the game has to offer

Kaartinen · August 2018

No

Nope. Maybe better gear for a perfect VMA run. Definitely not increased rewards for nMA.

Kel · August 2018

Yes

Kaartinen wrote: »

Nope. Maybe better gear for a perfect VMA run. Definitely not increased rewards for nMA.

It's disappointing to hear so many echo this statement.
Because really, would it be an increased reward? vMA weapons are now kinda not great. Some are, sure, but not all. THAT itself is a good reason to say no. But, would a lesser nMA imperfect bow really matter? You'd lose a 4 & 5 piece bonus on your back bar to run a piece with no huge increase to anything, really. If players actually want to do that, I say let them.
Again, why someone having that matters to you, or somehow cheapens what you've accomplished makes little sense to me. They'd be gimping themselves in alot of ways.

Nebthet78 · August 2018

Yes

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Many times, people just want to play the content and feel satisfied with their level of skill. But when you are in that in betwen right now.. what happens is that you end up just not playing the game at all because you end up being made to feel utterly incompetent by the more elite players, whom, no matter what will always steamroll content.

Competent players became competent players because they practiced and surround themselves with like minded people. People don't start off as great out of the box. You have to put in effort and then that effort will eventually pay off in the end.

In the end, obtaining great gear will do nothing for if you can't overcome challenges and learn the nuances the game has to offer

Stated like a true Elitist.

Sometimes that single piece of gear or weapon, can be enough to help out someone who isn't as good as others and just wants to continue to do what they used to do prior to all the damn nerfs that are brought about because the Elitist 1% keep burning through content and ignoring mechanics in the chase for more and more DPS.

When you are disabled and left out because there is a 2k-5k dps measurement that you just can't broach on your own because you can't play the same way everyone else does, then yes, a piece of gear does indeed help. Why else do we have to chase gear in this game if it doesn't matter what you wear?? If that were the case, Min-Maxing wouldn't exist.

But yeah, it sucks being disabled and forced into a play style that doesn't hurt a lot every time I play. A style that unfortunately means I can only use 3 attack skills reliably, the other 2 on each bar are for buffs or shields or long dots, bar swapping is slow and attack weaving doesn't exist and any rotation I do has to be simplistic.

I'd really like to see how the Elite do playing with physical limitations and getting as far as I've gotten on my own in a lot of things WITHOUT using macros to do most of the work for them!! I think a lot of you would give up on it. But I refuse to!!!

So take your elitist attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine!!

Maryal · August 2018

Yes

Getting enhanced weapons / armor that drops in normal with a slightly better version in vet seems to be what has been happening in the game, at least for new content starting with Clockwork City. I think it should also apply to the enhanced weapons you can get from Dragonstar as well as Maelstrom ... especially since these weapons aren't part of an armor set. I think the current version should be the vet version with a slightly watered-down version for normal mode. But, that's just my opinion.