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Screw vMA!
madchuska83
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I got my Stormproof title at 400+CP. It took me nearly 3 months. I told myself I would never put myself through that mess again. However, the double drops got me dreaming of that Inferno staff again, so I'm back at it. 2 more runs an I've gotten two 1h&s, an axe, and a dagger. When are you going to offer a token system for this god awful RNG grind?
Edited by madchuska83 on August 4, 2018 6:03AM 19
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Chibs✭✭✭✭You’ve done it 3 times chill out man. You’ll eventually get it and you’ll be relieved. I’m assuming you keep getting your butt pushed in. It sucks man but eventually you’ll get it down.7 -
Up to 32 weapons myself... Everything but the lightning staff I want. How does it know?? :-)
Would be nice to be able to trade in like 20 I don't want for the one I do.2 -
At least you don't gotta farm for the right trait anymore.... That's a huge plus!11
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MrGarlic✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wish it ran client-side so I didn't have to deal with the lag and skills not firing when I key press.
I've given up on completing it. I can do without that kind of frustration and anger.
And I agree, the rewards aren't worth the hassle any longer.'Sharp Arrows'Mr.GarlicHidden by darkness, a shadow in the night,A sped arrow dissecting the gloom,Finding it's target, such delight.7 -
Stridig✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can't even beat it so .... you have better odds than me. LolEnemy to many
Friend to all13 -
Banana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If only i could trade one one my infernos for a lightning. Im never going back in there. F%@! that place.
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WhitePawPrints✭✭✭✭✭
✭The trick I've found with vMA is to not burn yourself on it. I ran it once a day when I was grinding it. I didn't stress myself out over the grind. It took six runs for me to get my bow.4 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭RNGesus can be quite cruel. I obtained every single weapon the arena has to offer (bad traits and some BiS) before a fire staff even dropped for me and the trait on it was rubbish. Transmutation is truly a lifesaver, but it would've been nice if the final chest was like "oh you have a staff equipped here have a maelstrom staff."(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Icy_Waffles✭✭✭✭✭
✭I ran it once two years ago. Ran it 7 times since yesterday and got my fire staff, lightning staff, now, and dual wield if they ever fix it1 -
Skinzz✭✭✭✭✭I ran it like 250 times or so back then and got everything I needed. You're lucky transmutation is a thing now.Anybody got a group? LFG, anybody? Hello?2 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm 90 or so runs into it. There are 2 weapons I want and neither have dropped, no inferno staff and no 2H axe.0 -
f047ys3v3n✭✭✭✭✭
✭madchuska83 wrote: »I got my Stormproof title at 400+CP. It took me nearly 3 months. I told myself I would never put myself through that mess again. However, the double drops got me dreaming of that Inferno staff again, so I'm back at it. 2 more runs an I've gotten two 1h&s, an axe, and a dagger. When are you going to offer a token system for this god awful RNG grind?
Honestly, the weapons arn't that great. They take up 2x set buffs now of which one with be a 5 pc. Even on the back bar only it is a big loss since you still spend about 30% of your time there. Maybe they pay if the 5 pc loss is a proc that you determine the activation of but is is all slender and situational. I think more times than not the weapons are a dps loss.I am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭f047ys3v3n wrote: »madchuska83 wrote: »I got my Stormproof title at 400+CP. It took me nearly 3 months. I told myself I would never put myself through that mess again. However, the double drops got me dreaming of that Inferno staff again, so I'm back at it. 2 more runs an I've gotten two 1h&s, an axe, and a dagger. When are you going to offer a token system for this god awful RNG grind?
Honestly, the weapons arn't that great. They take up 2x set buffs now of which one with be a 5 pc. Even on the back bar only it is a big loss since you still spend about 30% of your time there. Maybe they pay if the 5 pc loss is a proc that you determine the activation of but is is all slender and situational. I think more times than not the weapons are a dps loss.
Except the vMA staff and bow in PvE is a requirement for top level dps. Certainly not a dps loss.3 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭took me 113 runs to get my bow, which i found extremely underwhelming and barely use it over vDSA bow, another 47 runs to get a 2hander for the yummy bleed....
pls dont complain Edited by Nyladreas on August 4, 2018 10:23AM0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭f047ys3v3n wrote: »madchuska83 wrote: »I got my Stormproof title at 400+CP. It took me nearly 3 months. I told myself I would never put myself through that mess again. However, the double drops got me dreaming of that Inferno staff again, so I'm back at it. 2 more runs an I've gotten two 1h&s, an axe, and a dagger. When are you going to offer a token system for this god awful RNG grind?
Honestly, the weapons arn't that great. They take up 2x set buffs now of which one with be a 5 pc. Even on the back bar only it is a big loss since you still spend about 30% of your time there. Maybe they pay if the 5 pc loss is a proc that you determine the activation of but is is all slender and situational. I think more times than not the weapons are a dps loss.
Except the vMA staff and bow in PvE is a requirement for top level dps. Certainly not a dps loss.
The part with the bow is actually not so true, unless u talk 1-2% difference. my vDSA bow actually outperforms vMA bow BY FAR on single target. Only VERY LARGE AOE fights spike up with maelstrom bow.Edited by Nyladreas on August 4, 2018 10:30AM1 -
SoLooney✭✭✭✭✭f047ys3v3n wrote: »madchuska83 wrote: »I got my Stormproof title at 400+CP. It took me nearly 3 months. I told myself I would never put myself through that mess again. However, the double drops got me dreaming of that Inferno staff again, so I'm back at it. 2 more runs an I've gotten two 1h&s, an axe, and a dagger. When are you going to offer a token system for this god awful RNG grind?
Honestly, the weapons arn't that great. They take up 2x set buffs now of which one with be a 5 pc. Even on the back bar only it is a big loss since you still spend about 30% of your time there. Maybe they pay if the 5 pc loss is a proc that you determine the activation of but is is all slender and situational. I think more times than not the weapons are a dps loss.
you realize the maelstrom destro staves adds damage to your light and heavy attacks and the maelstrom bow increases your endless hail every tick? yea, its not a game breaker but it does improve your dps quite a bit and no semi serious to serious trials guild is gonna allow a player who doesnt have those weapons
how are you gonna claim those weapons are a dps loss when you have no evidence and not to mention you dont even have a vma clear
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Jameliel✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't see how people run it so many times. I'm fairly patient and not easily bored, but vMA bores me quick. Most of the pve content in general does these days. I played too many other great MMOs back in the day. Most people who seem to really enjoy the pve side of ESO haven't played many other MMOs. ESO is lacking in many areas.0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't see how people run it so many times. I'm fairly patient and not easily bored, but vMA bores me quick. Most of the pve content in general does these days. I played too many other great MMOs back in the day. Most people who seem to really enjoy the pve side of ESO haven't played many other MMOs. ESO is lacking in many areas.
I agree, I only really have fun in vMA during the boss fights, trash mobs make me want to kill myself cause of how boring they are.0 -
Yubarius✭✭✭✭I've ran it over 200 times probably. I farmed a ton before we got transmute stones so much I had a nirnhoned bow as well as a sharpened inferno back when it was bis.- Yubarius - Magicka NB - Flawless Conqueror
- YubariusX - Magicka Warden - Flawless Conqueror
- Lord Yubarius - Stamina Sorc - Stormproof - Centurion
- 'Rubick the Grand Magus - Magicka Sorc
- Fair Child Tank - Stamina DK
- Jaruko - Magicka Templar
- Selthyn Bavailo - Mag DK
- Bandit-The-Great - Stam Temp
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't see how people run it so many times. I'm fairly patient and not easily bored, but vMA bores me quick. Most of the pve content in general does these days. I played too many other great MMOs back in the day. Most people who seem to really enjoy the pve side of ESO haven't played many other MMOs. ESO is lacking in many areas.
I agree, I only really have fun in vMA during the boss fights, trash mobs make me want to kill myself cause of how boring they are.
Depends on which fights. Arena 5 can be quite stressful for me as a Sorc because the ranged mobs apply a TON of shield pressure and I don't always get enough time for Power Surge to work its magicValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
AbysmalGhul✭✭✭✭✭
✭madchuska83 wrote: »I got my Stormproof title at 400+CP. It took me nearly 3 months. I told myself I would never put myself through that mess again. However, the double drops got me dreaming of that Inferno staff again, so I'm back at it. 2 more runs an I've gotten two 1h&s, an axe, and a dagger. When are you going to offer a token system for this god awful RNG grind?
* walks into thread with a Christmas bag
*dumps bag full of daggers on your two runs
You're welcome
Edited by AbysmalGhul on August 4, 2018 11:43PM0 -
CompM4s✭✭✭✭✭Ran it 5 times the other night. No lightning staff. Next night off ill be running it again...0 -
Mikuelray✭✭Cleared it 4 times on xbox and got 2 inferno, 1 lighting, dagger and shield, 2 battleaxes and mace and axe. No bow or resto
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Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I don't see how people run it so many times. I'm fairly patient and not easily bored, but vMA bores me quick. Most of the pve content in general does these days. I played too many other great MMOs back in the day. Most people who seem to really enjoy the pve side of ESO haven't played many other MMOs. ESO is lacking in many areas.
I agree, I only really have fun in vMA during the boss fights, trash mobs make me want to kill myself cause of how boring they are.
Depends on which fights. Arena 5 can be quite stressful for me as a Sorc because the ranged mobs apply a TON of shield pressure and I don't always get enough time for Power Surge to work its magic
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Mystrius_Archaion✭✭✭✭✭
✭You’ve done it 3 times chill out man. You’ll eventually get it and you’ll be relieved. I’m assuming you keep getting your butt pushed in. It sucks man but eventually you’ll get it down.
"I hate banging my head against this wall to get through! Can't we have a contractor make a door?"
"Just keep trying and you'll be relieved when you get through because the pain will eventually stop."
"But why have the pain if I don't have to? My neighbor got a door installed in their wall they were banging their head on and they love it."
"They're not you and you don't always need something somebody else has do you? Tough it out and you will feel better than they do and you'll have a caved in forehead you can be proud of and show off!"
Consider the "neighbor" above as any other game that has done the same things better, often time years before development of this game ever began, and this whole argument is "those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" and old man syndrome, "you youngins have it too easy; in my day, we walked uphill both ways in the snow, 5 miles, just to be able to play chess with a stranger and now you can login on your computer in a virtual world and play with actual friends sitting in a comfy chair".
Seriously, a token system is FAR past due.Edited by Mystrius_Archaion on August 6, 2018 2:04AM2
