1. Sload - oblivion damage, stackable from other players
2. Zaan - goes through the walls, can procs while you're in cloak
3. Durok's Bane - strong debuff with no cooldown

I can tell the OP probably runs about 3000 recovery and wants every fight to be 15 minutes or is really into dueling.

Though I agree on Zaan, the other two only work against Regen builds, for a high DPS it's not an issue, because someone will be dead before all that nonsense takes effect.---

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I think the biggest cheese build is:
WIZARDS RIPOSTE
15 seconds, really? no proc chance just automatic... silly

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

1. LIch- the stamina equivalent can only be procced once a minute. This set is game-breaking and must be nerfed.

Lich can only be procced once a minute too. It legitimately states that in the tool tip.



If you don't believe believe me, have someone in-game link you a piece. It will clearly state that.

#1. Shiledbreaker. By far.
#2. Duroks
#3. Sloads

Bonus points for combining #3 with either #1 or #2.

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

1. LIch- the stamina equivalent can only be procced once a minute. This set is game-breaking and must be nerfed.

Lich can only be procced once a minute too. It legitimately states that in the tool tip.



If you don't believe believe me, have someone in-game link you a piece. It will clearly state that.

It can stay then.

It's late and there are other threads within which Sorc-trolling is needed.

I still feel Vicious Death is pretty cheese, just not as cheesy as it used to be but still pretty cheese.

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

1. LIch- the stamina equivalent can only be procced once a minute. This set is game-breaking and must be nerfed.

2. Elegant- It's now about 6 times as powerful for mag builds as Kvatch gladiator is for stam builds on average, and is even better than it when Gladiator is in execute phase. Should be removed from the game.

3. Necropotence - Let's not reward people for using pets instead of actually fighting. THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE should be shamed, not celebrated.

4. Valkyn Skoria - Killing someone after you die because their dot procced their monster helm is the definition of cheese.



But the biggest cheese set in the game by far is:


5. Wizard's Riposte - There is no counterplay to this for most stam builds. It should only effect one target at a time.

I can see about #5 but first 4? Lol

1. Lich procs once per minute. And Siphoner and poisons still will have effect. In fact, higher the regen, more potent Siphoner and likes of resource poisons will be.
2. Elegant doesn't do much outside of DK HA builds and Overload build. Both are just niche builds that are not viable in actual open world play outside of the specific circumstances.
3. Necropotence users would love it to be not bound to pet. What did they say about Hulking Draugr? Yeah, thought so. Necropotence users wanted the set to be like Hulking Draugr. Pets are liability. Only an asset in duels but duels are not exactly the good representation of actual PvP.
4. Skoria requires setup and use of DoTs to proc it reliably unlike Zaan, Veli, and Selene. If you said Zaan, I would have agreed. Skoria is hardly the most cheesy thing out there unless you keep getting instagibbed by 3~5k proc once every 6 seconds or so.

Here are stam sets I think are cheesy, applying the similar logic:

1. Seventh Legion, Fury, Veiled Heritance, Ravager: I mean, 400~600 WD for proccing it to allow stam builds to stack WD from 4k~6k? Crazy cheesy OP!
2. Bone Pirate: Where's the set that increases my max stat and recovery and the same time for magicka for drinking Potent Brew? Insanely OP because it allows for stam builds with 3k regen on top of 35~40k stam and 4k~5k weapon damage? CHEESE!
3. Master's Bow: Where's magicka equivalent that will give me 300 free WD for using a skill on a target?
4. Asylum's 2H weapons: Where's magicka equivalent of this crazy amount of ult gen??? CHEESE!
5. Hulking Draugr: Doesn't need pet for that sweet sweet increase in max stat. Pretty cheesy if you ask me.
6. Selene's: omg that bear radius for easy proc. CHEESE!

So yeah, for serious post for OP, real cheese atm is Zaan + Sload's + Durok's with bleed. Against that setup, you are gonna have to be on the defensive the whole time because the moment you cast something that doesn't keep you alive potentially be the moment you die.

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

1. LIch- the stamina equivalent can only be procced once a minute. This set is game-breaking and must be nerfed.

2. Elegant- It's now about 6 times as powerful for mag builds as Kvatch gladiator is for stam builds on average, and is even better than it when Gladiator is in execute phase. Should be removed from the game.

3. Necropotence - Let's not reward people for using pets instead of actually fighting. THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE should be shamed, not celebrated.

4. Valkyn Skoria - Killing someone after you die because their dot procced their monster helm is the definition of cheese.



But the biggest cheese set in the game by far is:


5. Wizard's Riposte - There is no counterplay to this for most stam builds. It should only effect one target at a time.

I can see about #5 but first 4? Lol

1. Lich procs once per minute. And Siphoner and poisons still will have effect. In fact, higher the regen, more potent Siphoner and likes of resource poisons will be.
2. Elegant doesn't do much outside of DK HA builds and Overload build. Both are just niche builds that are not viable in actual open world play outside of the specific circumstances.
3. Necropotence users would love it to be not bound to pet. What did they say about Hulking Draugr? Yeah, thought so. Necropotence users wanted the set to be like Hulking Draugr. Pets are liability. Only an asset in duels but duels are not exactly the good representation of actual PvP.
4. Skoria requires setup and use of DoTs to proc it reliably unlike Zaan, Veli, and Selene. If you said Zaan, I would have agreed. Skoria is hardly the most cheesy thing out there unless you keep getting instagibbed by 3~5k proc once every 6 seconds or so.

Here are stam sets I think are cheesy, applying the similar logic:

1. Seventh Legion, Fury, Veiled Heritance, Ravager: I mean, 400~600 WD for proccing it to allow stam builds to stack WD from 4k~6k? Crazy cheesy OP!
2. Bone Pirate: Where's the set that increases my max stat and recovery and the same time for magicka for drinking Potent Brew? Insanely OP because it allows for stam builds with 3k regen on top of 35~40k stam and 4k~5k weapon damage? CHEESE!
3. Master's Bow: Where's magicka equivalent that will give me 300 free WD for using a skill on a target?
4. Asylum's 2H weapons: Where's magicka equivalent of this crazy amount of ult gen??? CHEESE!
5. Hulking Draugr: Doesn't need pet for that sweet sweet increase in max stat. Pretty cheesy if you ask me.
6. Selene's: omg that bear radius for easy proc. CHEESE!

So yeah, for serious post for OP, real cheese atm is Zaan + Sload's + Durok's with bleed. Against that setup, you are gonna have to be on the defensive the whole time because the moment you cast something that doesn't keep you alive potentially be the moment you die.

Bone Pirate is actually not a good set at all because stam recovery is typically cut off on a stam build due to:


running

blocking

rolling


And you are giving up more health by opting for dubious instead of blue or purple food.

It's a set for suckers.


Max stam doesn't scale as well as max mag typically, so draugr isn't really good either.



Master's Bow, Asylum 2H, and Ravager are definitely cheese.

Selene's doesn't proc enough to be cheese compared to other monster sets. It's no where near zaan or skoria in terms of cheese.

I will compile a list of what the community feels unofficially is or is not cheese.

We have some great comments though.

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I still feel Vicious Death is pretty cheese, just not as cheesy as it used to be but still pretty cheese.

When you witness it proccing from scattershots, you know its cheese.

1) Sload's

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Earthgore is the most annoying to me. But I have never been on good fooding with easy mode healbots.

Relequen, just because I don't want to farm that botched job they call a trial.