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Ice Staff Tanks
Valrien
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Why do people try to make them work? Most of the time they just suck...
Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)
Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake
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essi2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Because one of the reasons to play RPGs is to experiment and find new novel ways to play.
If all you care about is playing the meta, go play Counter Strike or some other bland game w/o any imagination required."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
"Wood Elves aren't made of wood, Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Because one of the reasons to play RPGs is to experiment and find new novel ways to play.
If all you care about is playing the meta, go play Counter Strike or some other bland game w/o any imagination required.
The thing is, what's the point of "finding new novel ways to play" if you fail at doing them?
The main goal of a tank is to not die, which Ice Staff tanks seem to do a lot for me. Also they seem to rely on the ice staff to taunt and thus lose aggro a lot.
It's not really considered "meta sheep" to want a tank to use a sword and shield.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake3 -
essi2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I can't account for people being bad at it."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
"Wood Elves aren't made of wood, Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar
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PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭I backbar frost staff on my DK tank. It's nice to have an option of using magicka as a resource for blocking instead of stamina. I'd never use frost staff as my main tanking weapon though. Too many good abilities in the S&B skill line.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It has its uses. Proccing enchant with ele wall, using ele drain in a 3 dd group, etc... It's a nice offbar weapon.
However, using only heavy attacks to taunt is too slow and its better to use it with inner fire.Because one of the reasons to play RPGs is to experiment and find new novel ways to play.
If all you care about is playing the meta, go play Counter Strike or some other bland game w/o any imagination required.
But if this new way will turn out to be effective, it has all chances to become new meta. The horror!
That's how new meta is created.
If its worse than other options, well, I dont know why would you play something non-effective just for the sake of being non-meta. There's much more to your individuality than the build you play.Edited by LadyNalcarya on July 29, 2018 5:02PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭Because one of the reasons to play RPGs is to experiment and find new novel ways to play.
If all you care about is playing the meta, go play Counter Strike or some other bland game w/o any imagination required.
It ain' even the meta man.
It's just plain an inferior option, and I say that -as- a magicka tank.2 -
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✭✭✭If they're losing aggro, it means they're not doing their role properly. It isn't really the fault of the Ice Staff at all but rather the person misjudging how to properly maintain aggro with the heavy attack and now has to try and pull aggro again, which will take a few seconds considering the slow windup of Ice Heavy Attacks.
The Heavy Taunt of Ice Staff is something you have to learn when it's possible to use it without you losing aggro or getting OHKO'd, which is somewhat tricky if you don't know an encounter well enough to know when an attack needs to be interrupted/blocked/dodged/etc. and it does leave you vulnerable for those few seconds of the windup so it is a bit of a burden on the healer in that they'd need to be more mindful of you if you're trying to Heavy while swarmed by enemies. Some fights, it's not viable to use the heavy attack taunt at all (like in AA when trying to grab aggro on an Axe, in which you'd need to grab it ASAP and don't have time to Heavy Attack.) but it's all a learning experience.
There's a learning curve that Ice Tanks need to go through in order to properly get the hang of it and it can be a bit of a hassle to do so.Argonian forever3 -
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✭ice staff may just be funny for some dungeon runs tank dps hybrid, but that's it. It doesn't have the potential of shield. And if using magicka to block then what u gon do with staminaBecause one of the reasons to play RPGs is to experiment and find new novel ways to play.
If all you care about is playing the meta, go play Counter Strike or some other bland game w/o any imagination required.
counter strike is the ultimate skill game. There u don't have any build or luck, it's just pure skill.
i like fantasy themed games cuz otherwise i would play that instead, but i don't know a perfectly balanced and fair game as CSGO but in a fantasy theme
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✭✭Their effectiveness really depends on the content being played and an individual's playstyle.
I wouldn't bring my pure magic ice staff tank into a trial or a vet dlc dungeon due to the limitations of my build and playstyle. However, I have effectively used it in all normal dungeons and all vanilla vet dungeons, since damage sheilds are sufficient for tanking and my heavy attack damage rotation adds to the overall group damage.
Variety is the spice of life.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭LOL. You forgot the #sarcasm tag, there, bro.
Ice staff tanking works amazingly well if done right.
My tank is a health DK with S&B front bar, ice staff back bar. Since blocking comes from two different resource pools between those two, I never run out of resources. Plus, the ice wall of elements is a very nice cc/debuff, the heavy attack is a free ranged taunt (does not take the place of inner fire, however, but it's a nice backup) which also restores resources...etc.
In content where you pretty much have to permablock between taunts (like certain vet situations) you can pierce armor, block, when stam gets to about half switch to back bar, block, allowing stam to regen while block costs mag, switch bars, pierce armor, block, rinse, repeat.
I have no idea why anyone would tank without an ice staff, tbh.8 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭I was actually disappointed when this came out as I wanted to see a frost dps. That being said and like many others have said it works really well on the off bar. I use it on my offbar nb tank I also run infused jewelery which is amazing on an argonion, I run block amd bash reduction and can literally bash with no resourve cost, its really fun. When I use potion cooldown enchants I have crazy uptime on warhorn and resource return the frost staff is usually my oh f bar.Edited by Malacthulhu on July 30, 2018 1:59PMXbox One Na0 -
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✭Ice Staff Tanks = BS- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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I like how Sword and Shield on a tank has gone from "common sense" to "meta"Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
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✭a) clunky taunt
b) magicka block cost if you want said clunky taunt (same as your 'utility' skills)
c) no easy access to major debuffs
d) no ulti gen
e) no extra resistances or stats (from shield and enchant)
f) no movement speed buff while blocking@Sparr0w so I get the notification
Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+DD: All Mag + StamPC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
Tank: NB | DK | Warden
Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GHDD: All Mag + Stam
Heal: Templar | Sorc
Tank: DK | NB
Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS1 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why do people try to make them work? Most of the time they just suck...
Do it just for change of pace mostly
theoretically any weapon can work for tanking if using the Undaunted taunt
even have a Dual Wield Fortified Brass Medium tank setup using Blood Craze as a HoT
would not attempt to run such builds in end-game content, but pugging base game dungeons it is easy to be a successful tank and still do things a bit differently
sucks by objective metrics when compared to sword and board
sometimes it is nice to just lul and have some fun with the role tho"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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It's not even meta. Many of the top trial guilds are using staves backbar right now (either ice or lightning).Edited by Inarre on July 31, 2018 4:04PM2 -
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✭✭frost staff is good for the immobilize and the status effect in pvp. The heavy attack taunt takes way to long and the shield is too small.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭✭I just wish they would undo this so Warden could at least have a staff that would make it more interesting to play. They kinda... don't have much at all going for them now.love is love3 -
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✭✭✭✭Take "Ice" and "Staff" out of your thread title and you'll have 90% of answer.
It can be made to work, but I'd say it's a skill level tier up from dual S&B.
Most of the ice staff tanks suck, not because of the weapon of choice, but the player behind it.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS3 -
BozzyTheDrummer✭✭✭✭Because one of the reasons to play RPGs is to experiment and find new novel ways to play.
If all you care about is playing the meta, go play Counter Strike or some other bland game w/o any imagination required.
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Mekar the Vile Orc StamCro DC"Fimmion hungry. Want sweetroll. Fimmion like pants. Love sweetroll."2 -
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It's not even meta. Many of the top trial guilds are using staves backbar right now (either ice or lightning).
Funny, all the top-tanks suggest s&b on both bars.1 -
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✭ice staff may just be funny for some dungeon runs tank dps hybrid, but that's it. It doesn't have the potential of shield. And if using magicka to block then what u gon do with stamina?
With defending trait on staff it comes pretty close to a shield. Also, by using magicka to block this lets you use stamina for the following actions:- Break free
- Dodge roll
- Bash to interrupt casters
- Sprint
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✭✭I like mine, I find it easier to use than a dk one, plus you can stack a daft amount of healing and damage reduction. Between max resistance, a huge health pool, my ultimate running and a pile of damage mitigation the game has to hit me with a 135’000 one shot to kill me. Plus my taunt and debuffs are built in
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✭I love the ice staff...but as a sole tanking weapon even with a magicka based tank, it leaves a lot to be desired. I use the ice staff on my back bar to supplement the S&B on my front bar, and in that regard, they are great...as a sole tanking weapon though...not so much unless you care only about taunting the boss and plan on CC for all mobs...which can be done I suppose, but would take a good deal of skill to do effectively.
I have one magicka-based healer/tank hybrid that uses ice staff/resto staff and while it can tank normal vet dungeons(not DLC versions) just fine while spamming heals the entire time, the health is low(about 24k) and my health bar swings pretty wildly. This isnt really a problem on most dungeons, but dungeons with a lot of fear(Elden Hollow as an example) its a huge issue since you cant self heal while running away, and CC breaking fear is always buggy.
I can imagine a certain beserker-tank build similar to a fire/lightning staff one I use for normal vet dungeons that is more of a Tank/DPS hybrid and I could build something similar with an Ice/Lightning staff setup focusing on CC instead...but I would give up the extra DPS of a double proc on Illambris...though I suppose I could make up for it if I played a DK using elemental succession and still manage to double proc illambris from time to time...I would end up with less DPS but greater CC than my current beserker tank in the end though.
In the end, it depends on the content you are running and what you are building to try to accomplish. Normal vet dungeons? Yes, vet DLC dungeons or trials? Not likely unless you have uber skills.Edited by josiahva on July 31, 2018 6:34PM1 -
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..isnt everyone blidnly following Alcast's build here? Come on.Because one of the reasons to play RPGs is to experiment and find new novel ways to play.
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It's not even meta. Many of the top trial guilds are using staves backbar right now (either ice or lightning).
Funny, all the top-tanks suggest s&b on both bars.
Funny, "Top tank" seems to be very subjective, which is why I said it exactly as I did.
We would have to argue who the top tank is, and I think its kind of lame to pit players against each other for being the "top" because then you get butt-hurt streamers claiming so and so streamer isnt as great as them and so on, which I have literally seen on this forum and It's embarrassing for everyone.
Leaderboards are leaderboards though so it's a bit safer when discussing metas. Anyway from what I have seen it seems to depend on the group's set up and the content. Still, I think my statement stands that it's not necessarily meta to run two sword and boards. I think there is a transition there.
Here are a few videos of tanks in leaderboard trials guilds using staff backbar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbsCAuVQWcE
Hodor tank, Andy S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IrwkUHNwm4
Mechanically Challenged tank, Inigo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6xFPJkFgzc&t=202s
Easy Peasy tank, Liofa
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