What is the extent of a permaban?

kenjiblaster25 · July 2018

Is a permaban just of that account? In which case I’d argue it’s not quite named right.

Or is a permaban meant to stop an individual ever playing the game again?

Tandor · July 2018

kenjiblaster25 wrote: »

Shouldn’t be called a Permaban then. Should be an account ban. Thanks for the info. Perhaps ZOS should insistute an actual permaban for some offences - why should most players have to put up with certain players coming back? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

That would be nigh on unenforceable, there are just so many ways in which a determined player could get back into the game. IP bans are also impractical as they can be circumvented and can also catch up innocent players sharing that address.

Caligamy_ESO · July 2018

Isn't it 3 days?

Sparr0w · July 2018

The account is permanently banned from signing in.

Yes they can create another account.

Ihonu · July 2018

From what I hear it's usually 3 days, If you wine a bit and complain. That's the reason why you see the same cheaters again and again. Don't know what happens if you get perma banned the second or third time, maybe it's actually permanent at one Point.

Pink_Violinz · July 2018

Ihonu wrote: »

From what I hear it's usually 3 days, If you wine a bit and complain. That's the reason why you see the same cheaters again and again. Don't know what happens if you get perma banned the second or third time, maybe it's actually permanent at one Point.

Perma ban is definitely permanent. Ask ten of my friends.Their accounts have been banned for almost a year now, and Zos made it very clear they're not getting them back.

People are free to make new accounts to their heart's desire, but that particular account will never be played on again.

starkerealm · July 2018

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

Ihonu wrote: »

From what I hear it's usually 3 days, If you wine a bit and complain. That's the reason why you see the same cheaters again and again. Don't know what happens if you get perma banned the second or third time, maybe it's actually permanent at one Point.

Perma ban is definitely permanent. Ask ten of my friends.Their accounts have been banned for almost a year now, and Zos made it very clear they're not getting them back.

People are free to make new accounts to their heart's desire, but that particular account will never be played on again.

There's a bunch of stories floating around about how, "someone infamous for hacking in the PvP community got their permaban reversed." It's all, "I heard," not that actual permabans were reversed.

Pink_Violinz · July 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

Ihonu wrote: »

From what I hear it's usually 3 days, If you wine a bit and complain. That's the reason why you see the same cheaters again and again. Don't know what happens if you get perma banned the second or third time, maybe it's actually permanent at one Point.

Perma ban is definitely permanent. Ask ten of my friends.Their accounts have been banned for almost a year now, and Zos made it very clear they're not getting them back.

People are free to make new accounts to their heart's desire, but that particular account will never be played on again.

There's a bunch of stories floating around about how, "someone infamous for hacking in the PvP community got their permaban reversed." It's all, "I heard," not that actual permabans were reversed.

The only bans I can think of regarding PvP where from a while back and weren't officially permanent. It's only recently did Zos decide to go so hard on the bans, previously they just had various temp bans.

starkerealm · July 2018

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

Ihonu wrote: »

From what I hear it's usually 3 days, If you wine a bit and complain. That's the reason why you see the same cheaters again and again. Don't know what happens if you get perma banned the second or third time, maybe it's actually permanent at one Point.

Perma ban is definitely permanent. Ask ten of my friends.Their accounts have been banned for almost a year now, and Zos made it very clear they're not getting them back.

People are free to make new accounts to their heart's desire, but that particular account will never be played on again.

There's a bunch of stories floating around about how, "someone infamous for hacking in the PvP community got their permaban reversed." It's all, "I heard," not that actual permabans were reversed.

The only bans I can think of regarding PvP where from a while back and weren't officially permanent. It's only recently did Zos decide to go so hard on the bans, previously they just had various temp bans.

Yeah, that's probably part of it. Where they got temp bans, but the stories floated that they'd received permanent bans, but weaseled out of them.

Just, in case it's not clear, I don't believe the stories about people coming back from permabans on their existing accounts. I find the stories that have floated to the surface unpersuasive.

Tandor · July 2018

Most bans are temporary and should therefore be called suspensions, not bans.

A permaban is just what it says, a permanent ban of that account. ZOS have always said that players with a permabanned account are free to buy another copy of the game and open a new account on the basis that they hope such players will have learnt from their experience. They will, however, lose everything they had on the old account and start from scratch on the new one.

SlippyCheeze · July 2018

Tandor wrote: »

Most bans are temporary and should therefore be called suspensions, not bans.

A permaban is just what it says, a permanent ban of that account. ZOS have always said that players with a permabanned account are free to buy another copy of the game and open a new account on the basis that they hope such players will have learnt from their experience. They will, however, lose everything they had on the old account and start from scratch on the new one.

This. The financial and time cost is supposed to be the deterrent to repeating the behaviour that got them banned in the first place. Plus ... it is hard to "ban the person, not the account" in an effective way.

kylewwefan · July 2018

We’re not supposed to talk about disciplinary actions on here. I think. But there are a few moderately well known players that have had perma ban and yes, those accounts are permanently locked. Many of them just acquired new accounts or grind or both. I get it. You’re finally good at something. Why give it up.

Merlin13KAGL · July 2018

I'm more skeptical as to why you want to know.

Hint: If you're considering something questionable and weighing the outcome, just don't.

Gythral · July 2018

Nothing like permanent enough tbh
and given the way this is being asked - the OP and his friends/guild list need watch

SlippyCheeze · July 2018

Gythral wrote: »

Nothing like permanent enough tbh
and given the way this is being asked - the OP and his friends/guild list need watch

I have no doubt that ZOS watch this sort of thing with interest.

KingMagaw · July 2018

Cheat Engine users were allowed back, i know 2 players personally who used CE, got caught by ZOS and got 2 weeks suspension and back playing.

As for vAS exploits some were perma banned i know of and they cant get back on that account.

As for general exploiting like glitching into keeps, exploiting set bonuses like TBS, exploiting over 6 million AP from last event in black boot, people i know got 3 day suspensions and were allowed to keep the AP/motifs they earned from exploiting.

As for ZOS deleting the Cheating and Exploiting thread as it was exposure on the subject they didn't want coupled with no naming and shaming and ZOS deleting any subject on it, players like myself got tired of spending my gametime in documenting, screenshots, videos to ZOS because at the end of the day i am here to play the game, not pay ZOS to do work that is in there remit.

Additionally it was a slap in the face to any legit player, to see known cheaters that people spent their time in reporting, let back in

kenjiblaster25 · July 2018

Shouldn’t be called a Permaban then. Should be an account ban. Thanks for the info. Perhaps ZOS should insistute an actual permaban for some offences - why should most players have to put up with certain players coming back? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Tandor · July 2018

You should remember that the level of punishment will tend to vary according to a player's account history. Someone who you may think got off lightly for a serious offence may have been a first offender, while another player who you may think was harshly treated for a minor misdemeanor may have been a serial offender on a final warning. Whenever such cases are raised on the forum the one and only certainty is that we don't know the full story!

Lysette · July 2018

Tandor wrote: »

You should remember that the level of punishment will tend to vary according to a player's account history. Someone who you may think got off lightly for a serious offence may have been a first offender, while another player who you may think was harshly treated for a minor misdemeanor may have been a serial offender on a final warning. Whenever such cases are raised on the forum the one and only certainty is that we don't know the full story!

And a lot might not even be aware of what is considered an offense, because they never read any terms of service in any game. There are more than enough, who consider using an exploit for as long as it is there as "normal gameplay", even it is clearly a bannable offense stated in the TOS. Eventually that is why ZOS might let them in again after a while if it is their 1st offense. They certainly don't have to, but I could imagine that they know, that the majority of players never read the TOS.

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