No, I'm fine, I will pay them whatever I feel I should ..

Thanks for the warnings though ..

I always mention this on twitter under ESO posts advertising crown crates, mounts and other obscene items that in other games would be considered blasphemy to monetize and exclude from the base game... and you know what? i get bullied by soccer moms/dads who don't even care about the game itself that they play 2 hours a week tops. And i wouldn't be mad at that otherwise, but i am because 80% of the people usually agree with roasting my constructive opinions by simply replying "no one cares lmao".
Dumb people make me sick, but whatever, keep paying for the same recolored mount every month, i can't care anymore.

a1i3nz wrote: »

How many years does it take to fix performance issues and balance a game?

Four, five years?

Please stop giving them money and buying reskinned mounts until this game runs like it's 2018

[snip]

SPEAK WITH YOUR WALLET

[Edit for Bashing.]

Uhm. You know you are part of the problem as well right? Why are you still here? I mean if you really want to send a message you have to leave. If people are still playing why fix something and spend more money when it will not guarantee more people or same amount of people playing.

Even if you don't spend any money you are still a wrong statistic in the game that makes ESO look good. You are playing you area statistic that ESO is still being played spends no money but still is visible so others can see you so hence ESO is alive and well. Be a statistic that spends no money, is gone and doesn't promote ESO which you are doing on the forums. Bad publicity is still free publicity.

So instead of speaking with your wallet, speak with YOUR TIME. DON'T PLAY ESO and send the real message. Otherwise still playing and not spending money will not cause Zenimax to fix anything. After all as I said, why spend money when people are still playing. Other way of looking at it is, why spend money if people are not spending? Only reason to spend money is people are leaving and they need them to come back.

Since it seems Zenimax doesn't care, then it's up to you. Either accept or move on. Since you seem upset, maybe it's time to move on for a game that meets your needs.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Ummm no....?

I haven't even logged in for 3 months and I'm still paying them. I didn't play for about year just after launch and paid them. You want them to fix things...ok that's good...how or where do you think they get the money to pay the people that are trying to fix things...yeah that's right Subs and Crown store purchases.

But yes feel free to keep thinking the world is free and nothing has to be paid for. Maybe one day we will live in a true Garden of Eden where everything is perfect and there is no cost and everyone is perfectly healthy. However, until that point I'll pay them to do their jobs.

If you honestly haven't seen people this angry at Devs before you've never browsed a forum of any game in the history of gaming.

They dont do it anyway. This is a fallacy.

This is the same thing that was said about EA when they switched to Origin to stop paying additional taxes and cuts to Valve. People thought they would have sales but even after, that the net gain in profit would translate into more bugfixes and higher quality for their games, and less predatory practices.

None of those things happened. Stop believing your own lie.

I pay a sub but only because of the craftbag. And quite frankly if I stop playing the game regularly or even being invested enough in the gameplay enough to where I think it's no longer a sound investment, I will stop.

Umm..I never said I actually think they put all the money back into the game.

That being said though if nobody paid for anything in the game, no sub, no crown store no nothing where does the money come from? Just do a GoFundMe for ESO? They have to get money from somewhere so they bills can be paid. No money coming in servers get shut down cause they can't be paid for.

They have to make money it is a business.

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Ummm no....?

I haven't even logged in for 3 months and I'm still paying them. I didn't play for about year just after launch and paid them. You want them to fix things...ok that's good...how or where do you think they get the money to pay the people that are trying to fix things...yeah that's right Subs and Crown store purchases.

But yes feel free to keep thinking the world is free and nothing has to be paid for. Maybe one day we will live in a true Garden of Eden where everything is perfect and there is no cost and everyone is perfectly healthy. However, until that point I'll pay them to do their jobs.

If you honestly haven't seen people this angry at Devs before you've never browsed a forum of any game in the history of gaming.

They dont do it anyway. This is a fallacy.

This is the same thing that was said about EA when they switched to Origin to stop paying additional taxes and cuts to Valve. People thought they would have sales but even after, that the net gain in profit would translate into more bugfixes and higher quality for their games, and less predatory practices.

None of those things happened. Stop believing your own lie.

I pay a sub but only because of the craftbag. And quite frankly if I stop playing the game regularly or even being invested enough in the gameplay enough to where I think it's no longer a sound investment, I will stop.

This^

Great example with EA. Another relevant example, the entire idea behind trickle-down economics.

"Give companies more money, they'll put it right back into the company and make a more enjoyable experience for everyone!"

Nope, turns out more money just equals more profits, hardly ever turns into more benefit seen by the average consumer. If ZOS is making a killing on the Crown Store, then guess where they're going to focus their efforts?

3 guesses, go ahead...


...yep, the Crown Store. It's insanely profitable for them, they charge outlandish prices for digital commodities that we as a community are willing to pay. If we don't actually make it a problem for THEM to ignore bug fixes, then they won't. That's how a business works, you want to maximize your profits, and sometimes you'll cut corners to do that. In this case, the company has been cutting corners for years, and we as a player base have tolerated it and continued to supply them with ample profits through the CS. OP is right, the only way to make real bug fixes happen is for players to become vocal enough for ZOS to really sweat about their numbers. But right now, they're just supplying a demand, and Crown Store cosmetics are in (and probably always will be in) high demand.

Considering EA has multiple franchises.... bad examlple. Pretty much made the opposite point you were trying to make.

Even with ZOS, you think we'd be getting 2 DLC every year if they relied solely on subs?

I'm sorry I'm a crafter and I have over 100k worth of items inside my crafting bag... I have to pay them

So many business majors play ESO. Truly amazing.

Kuwhar wrote: »

Thestephenmcraeub17_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Ummm no....?

I haven't even logged in for 3 months and I'm still paying them. I didn't play for about year just after launch and paid them. You want them to fix things...ok that's good...how or where do you think they get the money to pay the people that are trying to fix things...yeah that's right Subs and Crown store purchases.

But yes feel free to keep thinking the world is free and nothing has to be paid for. Maybe one day we will live in a true Garden of Eden where everything is perfect and there is no cost and everyone is perfectly healthy. However, until that point I'll pay them to do their jobs.

If you honestly haven't seen people this angry at Devs before you've never browsed a forum of any game in the history of gaming.

They dont do it anyway. This is a fallacy.

This is the same thing that was said about EA when they switched to Origin to stop paying additional taxes and cuts to Valve. People thought they would have sales but even after, that the net gain in profit would translate into more bugfixes and higher quality for their games, and less predatory practices.

None of those things happened. Stop believing your own lie.

I pay a sub but only because of the craftbag. And quite frankly if I stop playing the game regularly or even being invested enough in the gameplay enough to where I think it's no longer a sound investment, I will stop.

This^

Great example with EA. Another relevant example, the entire idea behind trickle-down economics.

"Give companies more money, they'll put it right back into the company and make a more enjoyable experience for everyone!"

Nope, turns out more money just equals more profits, hardly ever turns into more benefit seen by the average consumer. If ZOS is making a killing on the Crown Store, then guess where they're going to focus their efforts?

3 guesses, go ahead...


...yep, the Crown Store. It's insanely profitable for them, they charge outlandish prices for digital commodities that we as a community are willing to pay. If we don't actually make it a problem for THEM to ignore bug fixes, then they won't. That's how a business works, you want to maximize your profits, and sometimes you'll cut corners to do that. In this case, the company has been cutting corners for years, and we as a player base have tolerated it and continued to supply them with ample profits through the CS. OP is right, the only way to make real bug fixes happen is for players to become vocal enough for ZOS to really sweat about their numbers. But right now, they're just supplying a demand, and Crown Store cosmetics are in (and probably always will be in) high demand.

Considering EA has multiple franchises.... bad examlple. Pretty much made the opposite point you were trying to make.

Even with ZOS, you think we'd be getting 2 DLC every year if they relied solely on subs?

Certainly not. The Crown Store probably funds 85% of this game. Which is why that's where they focus their efforts. I would gladly trade every DLC for the next 2 years if it meant they would focus on the issues that have literally been plaguing this game for years. Other games don't suffer from such bad server performance, or such sluggish response from developers to fix bugs that many players agree are hindering balance in the game. I want the game to be in a great, stable position before they start adding more to it, but their current system is just to keep adding things to sell boxes, and gameplay problems be damned because that's not profitable.

As to the EA example, I'm not speaking about the company as a whole - admittedly, I know very little about it. What I am talking about is their transition to Origin, for their purposes (allegedly) of being able to save money that the consumer would be able to benefit from. I don't play games through Origin anymore because it's among the most god-awful platforms I've ever had the misfortune to deal with. Obviously, their plan to invest more in debugging was a ruse to pocket more money. My point is that this behavior is to be expected of most (read, 'all') companies because the sole reason for their existence is to make more money.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

That being said though if nobody paid for anything in the game, no sub, no crown store no nothing where does the money come from?

You think in the case that ZOS actually sees the numbers go down (as in they get less money) they will just drop the game like a hot potato and move on? Abandon their investment for over four years or maybe look closer what happened and if they can fix it to continue to make money? The whole 'don't give them less money or the game will die!' argumentation is really based on a rather odd perspective how companies actually work.

A guy said he hasn't played for months and a year before that and still pays!

Another says that they need the money so they CAN fix the game

You guys are ***

Played for 3 years and probably missed around 10 days - Stopped subbing months ago and use 2 guild banks now for 1k storage.

ZOS have proven to be incompetent at fixing bugs and exploits in ESO, which are everywhere, if your in the right circles where the goal is to find and abuse.

Again massive exploiting being shown in this event. Nothing concrete will ever be done as it is the ££ that is wanted, not a solid game.