is this what we deserve?

tuxon · July 2018

Hello fellow comrades. ESO is beautiful game with a lot of potential. But there is one big madness going on now which represents ZOS treatment of their "players" aka customers. And don't get me wrong but this is not about cost - benefit function, this is not really okay. I was calm first time I heard about "crown riding lessons" even I believe the mount speed/stamina/capacity should be account wide. Then motifs in loot boxes and outfit slots only for 1 char. Come on I spent 1.500 crowns fot item which according to every aspect of logic should be account wide, but instead I got only +1 slot for 1 char. But what I really wanted to talk about is current situation with monster styles/outfits... Okay we got monster weapons for which we should pay crowns and we got ***, useless masks for insane grinding! And they are not even "brand new" as the commercial stated. And the weapons? The preview was like: "yas, buy it, spend your money and have a nice fire effect on your staff". But, honestly? On some NPC's staves the effects are better and even when the staves are sheathed. So is it what ZOS think about us? That we only want to PAY&GRIND?
If you think something like: they need to make money etc. and their policy towards their players is ok. I don't think so. I play on EU server and every know to me player on EU will say you that ESO is not a cheap game. Especially DLCs/Chapters. And I won't even mention that almost every single high level player has ESO+ (for all year in most cases).
All in all, I just don't want to see this game turning into one big slot machine, fading and dying for someone's greed.

P.S. I had an idea to start a discussion about essential and needed features in ESO for a long time, but some parts of it I saw as a separate discussions and they still were unanswered.
Some topics included there: main menu (new backgrounds for races/sorting your characters for your taste), 2H weapons animation (unsheathed handing redone), riding skills account wide and a lot more.
Should I do that?

[edited title]

Hulda · July 2018

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

tuxon · July 2018

Hulda wrote: »

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

"ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay"
That's exactly what I wanted to say. They give us Pay&Grind events instead of improving PvP, banning BOT's, and fixing tons of causes for crashes and updating servers at last!

Sparr0w · July 2018

You know... you don't ever have to pay for anything (apart from the base game) & don't have to grind anything if you don't want...

Dextail · July 2018

It’s purely cosmetic so who cares. Don’t like it don’t grind it.

Secondly if it wasn’t a grind it wouldn’t be remotely interesting for people.

From what I’ve seen it’s not super ultra rare like the soul shriven skin (which I brought for 1.7million gold as I gave up on farming it) this is selling for like 100k so it’s not that much of a grind

Lysette · July 2018

Well, as far as ESO+ goes, I see no reason why I would not want to have it all year round and every year, it is not expensive and you get something really worth it out of it. Otherwise ZOS can be pretty greedy, but ESO+ is a generous offer IMO. I do not like the way in which they market costumes, mounts and so - most is just in RNG boxes - just look at the crown store, nearly nothing to buy there costume-wise right away, instead one has to hope for loot boxes - which I won't buy. I buy if I want something, but I want to buy it right away and not just a chance to eventually get it.

Then the game itself is no longer expensive for what it offers (especially with ESO+) - and we get 2x8 character slots with it, you can play on EU with 8 and on NA as well with 8 characters which is as well pretty generous. I am one of those who really complain about greedy and shady practices (like loot boxes), but I am fair, and in these regards above ZOS is offering more than other MMOs do.

huschdeguddzje · July 2018

Hulda wrote: »

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem at all. Cosmetics are a big part of the game for a lot of players and this represents a problem to them.
Yeah it's not required, but so is playing the game in the first place.
ESO has a wide range of players who enjoy different aspects of the game and none of them should be treated unfairly in their respective context.

tuxon · July 2018

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Hulda wrote: »

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem at all. Cosmetics are a big part of the game for a lot of players and this represents a problem to them.
Yeah it's not required, but so is playing the game in the first place.
ESO has a wide range of players who enjoy different aspects of the game and none of them should be treated unfairly in their respective context.

Indeed. Thanks for reply!

ihazzit · July 2018

"Deserve's got nothing to do with it"

tuxon · July 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

You know... you don't ever have to pay for anything (apart from the base game) & don't have to grind anything if you don't want...

Really? Are you sure about that? I don't think so...E.g. If I want to use Jewellery Crafting station I MUST buy Summerset! And I won't even mention Warden Class, Thieves Guild& Dark Brotherhood. The base game, my friend is only 3 Alliances +Craglorn. You forget about that playing with ESO+ whole year.

griffkhalifa · July 2018

tuxon wrote: »

Hello fellow comrades. ESO is beautiful game with a lot of potential. But there is one big madness going on now which represents ZOS treatment of their "players" aka customers. And don't get me wrong but this is not about cost - benefit function, this is not really okay. I was calm first time I heard about "crown riding lessons" even I believe the mount speed/stamina/capacity should be account wide. Then motifs in loot boxes and outfit slots only for 1 char. Come on I spent 1.500 crowns fot item which according to every aspect of logic should be account wide, but instead I got only +1 slot for 1 char. But what I really wanted to talk about is current situation with monster styles/outfits... Okay we got monster weapons for which we should pay crowns and we got ***, useless masks for insane grinding! And they are not even "brand new" as the commercial stated. And the weapons? The preview was like: "yas, buy it, spend your money and have a nice fire effect on your staff". But, honestly? On some NPC's staves the effects are better and even when the staves are sheathed. So is it what ZOS think about us? That we only want to PAY&GRIND?
If you think something like: they need to make money etc. and their policy towards their players is ok. I don't think so. I play on EU server and every know to me player on EU will say you that ESO is not a cheap game. Especially DLCs/Chapters. And I won't even mention that almost every single high level player has ESO+ (for all year in most cases).
All in all, I just don't want to see this game turning into one big slot machine, fading and dying for someone's greed.

P.S. I had an idea to start a discussion about essential and needed features in ESO for a long time, but some parts of it I saw as a separate discussions and they still were unanswered.
Some topics included there: main menu (new backgrounds for races/sorting your characters for your taste), 2H weapons animation (unsheathed handing redone), riding skills account wide and a lot more.
Should I do that?

Then don't buy it. Problem solved. Moving on...

griffkhalifa · July 2018

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Hulda wrote: »

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem at all. Cosmetics are a big part of the game for a lot of players and this represents a problem to them.
Yeah it's not required, but so is playing the game in the first place.
ESO has a wide range of players who enjoy different aspects of the game and none of them should be treated unfairly in their respective context.

You are missing the point. People paid for the game and they have all the content (or ability to acquire) all the content in said game. Anything additional is up to the individual player if they want to purchase. Sounds like these monster weapon styles aren't worth it for you, so don't buy them. This is such a simple problem.

tuxon · July 2018

griffkhalifa wrote: »

tuxon wrote: »

Hello fellow comrades. ESO is beautiful game with a lot of potential. But there is one big madness going on now which represents ZOS treatment of their "players" aka customers. And don't get me wrong but this is not about cost - benefit function, this is not really okay. I was calm first time I heard about "crown riding lessons" even I believe the mount speed/stamina/capacity should be account wide. Then motifs in loot boxes and outfit slots only for 1 char. Come on I spent 1.500 crowns fot item which according to every aspect of logic should be account wide, but instead I got only +1 slot for 1 char. But what I really wanted to talk about is current situation with monster styles/outfits... Okay we got monster weapons for which we should pay crowns and we got ***, useless masks for insane grinding! And they are not even "brand new" as the commercial stated. And the weapons? The preview was like: "yas, buy it, spend your money and have a nice fire effect on your staff". But, honestly? On some NPC's staves the effects are better and even when the staves are sheathed. So is it what ZOS think about us? That we only want to PAY&GRIND?
If you think something like: they need to make money etc. and their policy towards their players is ok. I don't think so. I play on EU server and every know to me player on EU will say you that ESO is not a cheap game. Especially DLCs/Chapters. And I won't even mention that almost every single high level player has ESO+ (for all year in most cases).
All in all, I just don't want to see this game turning into one big slot machine, fading and dying for someone's greed.

P.S. I had an idea to start a discussion about essential and needed features in ESO for a long time, but some parts of it I saw as a separate discussions and they still were unanswered.
Some topics included there: main menu (new backgrounds for races/sorting your characters for your taste), 2H weapons animation (unsheathed handing redone), riding skills account wide and a lot more.
Should I do that?

Then don't buy it. Problem solved. Moving on...

Gosh. This is not about Ilambris Oufits. This is about the focus of the developers. The potential of ESO is huge, however there a lot of problems already now and we got some trash instead of improvements or implementing new things to the game. Next time I'll try to be more clear...

inthecoconut · July 2018

I don't get why, at the very least, motifs aren't account bound. But I guess with the outfit system, it doesn't really matter. It's just more of an inconvenience, really. I save up all my recipes and motifs in the bank and when it gets full, I swap to my crafter and consume them. Not a huge deal, but still, it makes much more sense to just have motifs unlock account-wide instead of character specific.

Lysette · July 2018

tuxon wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

tuxon wrote: »

Hello fellow comrades. ESO is beautiful game with a lot of potential. But there is one big madness going on now which represents ZOS treatment of their "players" aka customers. And don't get me wrong but this is not about cost - benefit function, this is not really okay. I was calm first time I heard about "crown riding lessons" even I believe the mount speed/stamina/capacity should be account wide. Then motifs in loot boxes and outfit slots only for 1 char. Come on I spent 1.500 crowns fot item which according to every aspect of logic should be account wide, but instead I got only +1 slot for 1 char. But what I really wanted to talk about is current situation with monster styles/outfits... Okay we got monster weapons for which we should pay crowns and we got ***, useless masks for insane grinding! And they are not even "brand new" as the commercial stated. And the weapons? The preview was like: "yas, buy it, spend your money and have a nice fire effect on your staff". But, honestly? On some NPC's staves the effects are better and even when the staves are sheathed. So is it what ZOS think about us? That we only want to PAY&GRIND?
If you think something like: they need to make money etc. and their policy towards their players is ok. I don't think so. I play on EU server and every know to me player on EU will say you that ESO is not a cheap game. Especially DLCs/Chapters. And I won't even mention that almost every single high level player has ESO+ (for all year in most cases).
All in all, I just don't want to see this game turning into one big slot machine, fading and dying for someone's greed.

P.S. I had an idea to start a discussion about essential and needed features in ESO for a long time, but some parts of it I saw as a separate discussions and they still were unanswered.
Some topics included there: main menu (new backgrounds for races/sorting your characters for your taste), 2H weapons animation (unsheathed handing redone), riding skills account wide and a lot more.
Should I do that?

Then don't buy it. Problem solved. Moving on...

Gosh. This is not about Ilambris Oufits. This is about the focus of the developers. The potential of ESO is huge, however there a lot of problems already now and we got some trash instead of improvements or implementing new things to the game. Next time I'll try to be more clear...

Yeah, but I think he meant it is up to you to decide, if it is worth the price for you or not. Me for example, I would have liked to have the circus guar a lot, but not at this price. Not because I couldn't afford it, but because it would make me sick to buy it at this price, I would feel really bad to spend 2500 crowns on a simple retexture. And this is what you have to do - decide for yourself, is it worth it for me to buy it or not. And if it is not, then move on ... forget about it.

Edit: well, I will give another example - the banker - I have it on PC EU and I got so used to using the banker pretty much everywhere that now, where I play as well on PC NA, I am missing this banker. It is 5000 crowns, a horrid price, but I can eventually not live without it, I am so used to have him. So I will most likely buy the banker again on PC NA with crowns from ESO+. This banker is worth it for me, even it is totally overpriced. But I have to decide, is it worth it FOR ME to buy it. Objectively it is insane, but subjectively seen, I really need the banker.

huschdeguddzje · July 2018

griffkhalifa wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Hulda wrote: »

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem at all. Cosmetics are a big part of the game for a lot of players and this represents a problem to them.
Yeah it's not required, but so is playing the game in the first place.
ESO has a wide range of players who enjoy different aspects of the game and none of them should be treated unfairly in their respective context.

You are missing the point. People paid for the game and they have all the content (or ability to acquire) all the content in said game. Anything additional is up to the individual player if they want to purchase. Sounds like these monster weapon styles aren't worth it for you, so don't buy them. This is such a simple problem.

No you are missing the point, why do you think so many people complained about jewellery crafting being locked behind summerset, it's an aspect of the game locked behind a paywall, a gameplay feature in this case. The illambris pack is a cosmetic feature, also locked behind a pay wall. But there is not only summerset l, morrowind, dungeon Dlcs, and story expansions.
Endgame in the Base game is laughable by today's standards.
If you want Bis you need to buy.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with supporting the game I like trough little transactions like these it just feels like the customer is no longer their concern.
There is missing balance, game breaking bugs and a lot of miscommunication,all the while they continue to dish out cosmetics costing a third of the price of the Base game.

stewhead2ub17_ESO · July 2018

tuxon wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

This thread could use a dash of salt and maybe some tabasco. Very bland and uninteresting. -1

This discussion is for players who care about their characters' looks. Outfits, cosmetics and RP is a huge thing for a lot of players.

I agree. I am one of those that takes an interest in RP, outfits and cosmetics. That doesn't change the fact that I find your post to be lacking. Your OP is the equivalent of something off the children's menu in a fine restaurant. It is whiny and without flavor or substance. Further, it is wrought with things that are merely your opinion, i.e. weapon effects being better or worse, weapons & gear being "useless & ****" . These things are all in they eye of the beholder & are subjective. Wishing you better luck in your future endeavors.

Kiralyn2000 · July 2018

"I was calm first time I heard about "crown riding lessons"..."

I was 'calm' when I heard about Crown Riding Lessons because I realized they were a pointless waste of cash, since they're just a "tax on the impatient" - all they do is let you circumvent the daily training timer. A typical feature of b2p/f2p MMOs for years, and nothing new.

It was also totally clear to me that the monster mask & shoulder "outfit styles" would look like the actual mask & shoulders, since that's the entire point of the thing. "New" referred to the fact that these styles are "new" to the outfit system, and that the weapon styles are "new".

All in all, seems like a typical Internet Outrage Post™, attempting to build a mountain out of a collection of molehills.

Odnoc · July 2018

It's simple, don't want it, don't get it.

I'll even go to say, cosmetics and RP is important to me, and personally I think special effects on weapons that are sheathed are dumb.

ZOS_JesC · July 2018

Greetings. We've removed a few nonconstructive posts. Please remember that comments need to remain on topic and civil. Thank you.

Sergykid · July 2018

can't care less for fashion or houses. Go ahead pay 50€ for some fancy pants idc, if you that smart to pay for it such a thing.

what i feel bad about is the content, like summerset, jewelcrafting, warden class, vma, etc. But i don't feel negative about this because for all the work and time it's been put it deserves an extra pay like from a chapter or ESO+, even tho i don't like access to items like war machine or spell power cure sets to be restricted.

what you say sounds like "welcome to the amusement park, the entrance costs 10€ and you are free to look". Ofc you have to pay the entrance to a carousel inside the park too.

griffkhalifa · July 2018

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Hulda wrote: »

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem at all. Cosmetics are a big part of the game for a lot of players and this represents a problem to them.
Yeah it's not required, but so is playing the game in the first place.
ESO has a wide range of players who enjoy different aspects of the game and none of them should be treated unfairly in their respective context.

You are missing the point. People paid for the game and they have all the content (or ability to acquire) all the content in said game. Anything additional is up to the individual player if they want to purchase. Sounds like these monster weapon styles aren't worth it for you, so don't buy them. This is such a simple problem.

No you are missing the point, why do you think so many people complained about jewellery crafting being locked behind summerset, it's an aspect of the game locked behind a paywall, a gameplay feature in this case. The illambris pack is a cosmetic feature, also locked behind a pay wall. But there is not only summerset l, morrowind, dungeon Dlcs, and story expansions.
Endgame in the Base game is laughable by today's standards.
If you want Bis you need to buy.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with supporting the game I like trough little transactions like these it just feels like the customer is no longer their concern.
There is missing balance, game breaking bugs and a lot of miscommunication,all the while they continue to dish out cosmetics costing a third of the price of the Base game.

What is BiS that you need to buy? You are completely wrong. Jewelry crafting is a new addition to the game and part of the new Chapter, so you have to buy it, so what? I haven't seen a single build where you HAVE to craft jewelry. In fact, most of the best gear for trials and such are dropped IN trials.

I'm not missing the point at all. You want things to be cheaper and/or free, except that's not how the world works. I'll say it for the 1000th time...if this stuff isn't worth it to you, don't buy it. If it is worth it to you, then buy it. What in holy *** is so complicated about that concept? If enough people agree with you that they are charging too much, people will stop buying and they will be forced to lower the price. Clearly that isn't the case, though, so stop complaining.

DuskMarine · July 2018

the cosmetic stuff is awesome but being so much money to buy it kindve sucks. what we deserve is fairly priced items and this stuff is not fairly priced.

griffkhalifa · July 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

the cosmetic stuff is awesome but being so much money to buy it kindve sucks. what we deserve is fairly priced items and this stuff is not fairly priced.

I'm triggered. You "deserve" fairly priced items in the Crown Store? What does that even mean. And who determines what is "fairly priced"? The consumer does by either buying it or not buying it.

DuskMarine · July 2018

griffkhalifa wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

the cosmetic stuff is awesome but being so much money to buy it kindve sucks. what we deserve is fairly priced items and this stuff is not fairly priced.

I'm triggered. You "deserve" fairly priced items in the Crown Store? What does that even mean. And who determines what is "fairly priced"? The consumer does by either buying it or not buying it.

i work in retail and fairly priced tends to be actually worth the money is it worth having to spend 30$ on crowns when all i need is 25$? just think we should be able to buy crowns equal to these amounts and not have to spend more than i have to. that is fair pricing.

huschdeguddzje · July 2018

griffkhalifa wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Hulda wrote: »

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem at all. Cosmetics are a big part of the game for a lot of players and this represents a problem to them.
Yeah it's not required, but so is playing the game in the first place.
ESO has a wide range of players who enjoy different aspects of the game and none of them should be treated unfairly in their respective context.

You are missing the point. People paid for the game and they have all the content (or ability to acquire) all the content in said game. Anything additional is up to the individual player if they want to purchase. Sounds like these monster weapon styles aren't worth it for you, so don't buy them. This is such a simple problem.

No you are missing the point, why do you think so many people complained about jewellery crafting being locked behind summerset, it's an aspect of the game locked behind a paywall, a gameplay feature in this case. The illambris pack is a cosmetic feature, also locked behind a pay wall. But there is not only summerset l, morrowind, dungeon Dlcs, and story expansions.
Endgame in the Base game is laughable by today's standards.
If you want Bis you need to buy.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with supporting the game I like trough little transactions like these it just feels like the customer is no longer their concern.
There is missing balance, game breaking bugs and a lot of miscommunication,all the while they continue to dish out cosmetics costing a third of the price of the Base game.

What is BiS that you need to buy? You are completely wrong. Jewelry crafting is a new addition to the game and part of the new Chapter, so you have to buy it, so what? I haven't seen a single build where you HAVE to craft jewelry. In fact, most of the best gear for trials and such are dropped IN trials.

I'm not missing the point at all. You want things to be cheaper and/or free, except that's not how the world works. I'll say it for the 1000th time...if this stuff isn't worth it to you, don't buy it. If it is worth it to you, then buy it. What in holy *** is so complicated about that concept? If enough people agree with you that they are charging too much, people will stop buying and they will be forced to lower the price. Clearly that isn't the case, though, so stop complaining.

Sirroria and relequen are bis, vma weapons, war machine and so on.

DuskMarine · July 2018

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

griffkhalifa wrote: »

huschdeguddzje wrote: »

Hulda wrote: »

So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem at all. Cosmetics are a big part of the game for a lot of players and this represents a problem to them.
Yeah it's not required, but so is playing the game in the first place.
ESO has a wide range of players who enjoy different aspects of the game and none of them should be treated unfairly in their respective context.

You are missing the point. People paid for the game and they have all the content (or ability to acquire) all the content in said game. Anything additional is up to the individual player if they want to purchase. Sounds like these monster weapon styles aren't worth it for you, so don't buy them. This is such a simple problem.

No you are missing the point, why do you think so many people complained about jewellery crafting being locked behind summerset, it's an aspect of the game locked behind a paywall, a gameplay feature in this case. The illambris pack is a cosmetic feature, also locked behind a pay wall. But there is not only summerset l, morrowind, dungeon Dlcs, and story expansions.
Endgame in the Base game is laughable by today's standards.
If you want Bis you need to buy.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with supporting the game I like trough little transactions like these it just feels like the customer is no longer their concern.
There is missing balance, game breaking bugs and a lot of miscommunication,all the while they continue to dish out cosmetics costing a third of the price of the Base game.

What is BiS that you need to buy? You are completely wrong. Jewelry crafting is a new addition to the game and part of the new Chapter, so you have to buy it, so what? I haven't seen a single build where you HAVE to craft jewelry. In fact, most of the best gear for trials and such are dropped IN trials.

I'm not missing the point at all. You want things to be cheaper and/or free, except that's not how the world works. I'll say it for the 1000th time...if this stuff isn't worth it to you, don't buy it. If it is worth it to you, then buy it. What in holy *** is so complicated about that concept? If enough people agree with you that they are charging too much, people will stop buying and they will be forced to lower the price. Clearly that isn't the case, though, so stop complaining.

Sirroria and relequen are bis, vma weapons, war machine and so on.

sirorias actually isnt bis its actually useless in trials you have to move alot in(which cloudrest and as you have to move alot and hof as well as mol) relequen is interchangeable with other sets, and vma weapons fell off the map as bis when the 2 handed patch went through and war machine is so situational to the point its not really often used.

KraziJoe · July 2018

Welcome to Fashion Scrolls Online. Now where are the Tim Gunn and Heidi Klum NPC's?

TheShadowScout · July 2018

tuxon wrote: »

I was calm first time I heard about "crown riding lessons" even I believe the mount speed/stamina/capacity should be account wide.

I choose to be amused about the riding lessons. In an "I pity the fool who pays real money for something they can just as well play for with a little more patience"...
Of course, I also do not subscribe to the "all should be account wide because we deserve anything we earned on our main for no extra effort on our alts as well!" foolishness either...

tuxon wrote: »

Then motifs in loot boxes and outfit slots only for 1 char. Come on I spent 1.500 crowns fot item which according to every aspect of logic should be account wide, but instead I got only +1 slot for 1 char.

I have no issue with motivs in loot boxes.
The outfit slot though...
...that is an issue.
Comparable games I played had an outfit slot equivalent for somewhere around... 250 crowns I suppose? Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less, but rather cheap. ESO... eh.
At 1500 crowns, I -would- say it ought to be account wide. And i wish they gave everyone who shelled that out for one of their characters the slot account wide, and sold any individual slots for 250 crowns instead. Well, or better yet, 2 slots for 500 - let people go wild with outfits, that makes them chase the motivs more...

Similat with the crown store motivs. Thuse are a bit too pricey for a single character thing... wish they had made it so that paying those once allows you to draw as many character-bound copies of the style book as you want, to learn it on every character; not in the least so that if ever you want to redo one character, you are not bound by "Oh, no, I cannot delete that one, I learned that crown motiv..."

tuxon wrote: »

But what I really wanted to talk about is current situation with monster styles/outfits...

Eh.
Yeah, I can see those being vexing, but... eh.

I can see how they would want to make a nice profit from monster weapons.
I can see how they might make a hefty grind for the outfit motivs.

The only thing that vexes me is the time limit...

Personally, I hope that at -some- later date (when something else is the newest thing all the epeen players -must- have) they might make the rare monster stuff grind -permanent-, but for ALL motiv options - shoulder, helmet, weapons... and add the armor pieces to the crownstore pack, treating it exactly the same as crown store motiv books. As in, you can buy them, or you can grindgrindgrind until you get what you want...

huschdeguddzje · July 2018

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So much whining for something purely cosmetic. Don't like it? Don't buy/farm it. There's no achievement for it. ZOS should look at other performance stuff which actually hurt gameplay and not stupid "fashion & less work for me please topics" you mention.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem at all. Cosmetics are a big part of the game for a lot of players and this represents a problem to them.
Yeah it's not required, but so is playing the game in the first place.
ESO has a wide range of players who enjoy different aspects of the game and none of them should be treated unfairly in their respective context.

You are missing the point. People paid for the game and they have all the content (or ability to acquire) all the content in said game. Anything additional is up to the individual player if they want to purchase. Sounds like these monster weapon styles aren't worth it for you, so don't buy them. This is such a simple problem.

No you are missing the point, why do you think so many people complained about jewellery crafting being locked behind summerset, it's an aspect of the game locked behind a paywall, a gameplay feature in this case. The illambris pack is a cosmetic feature, also locked behind a pay wall. But there is not only summerset l, morrowind, dungeon Dlcs, and story expansions.
Endgame in the Base game is laughable by today's standards.
If you want Bis you need to buy.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem with supporting the game I like trough little transactions like these it just feels like the customer is no longer their concern.
There is missing balance, game breaking bugs and a lot of miscommunication,all the while they continue to dish out cosmetics costing a third of the price of the Base game.

What is BiS that you need to buy? You are completely wrong. Jewelry crafting is a new addition to the game and part of the new Chapter, so you have to buy it, so what? I haven't seen a single build where you HAVE to craft jewelry. In fact, most of the best gear for trials and such are dropped IN trials.

I'm not missing the point at all. You want things to be cheaper and/or free, except that's not how the world works. I'll say it for the 1000th time...if this stuff isn't worth it to you, don't buy it. If it is worth it to you, then buy it. What in holy *** is so complicated about that concept? If enough people agree with you that they are charging too much, people will stop buying and they will be forced to lower the price. Clearly that isn't the case, though, so stop complaining.

Sirroria and relequen are bis, vma weapons, war machine and so on.

sirorias actually isnt bis its actually useless in trials you have to move alot in(which cloudrest and as you have to move alot and hof as well as mol) relequen is interchangeable with other sets, and vma weapons fell off the map as bis when the 2 handed patch went through and war machine is so situational to the point its not really often used.

Try to run a stambuild without a vma bow and relequen is not interchangeable if you want Bis.
I agree on sirroria though. Still bis in a lot of trials

Ragebull · July 2018

none of it matters if the game isn't even playable! :'(