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  • Watchdog
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    Just a note - Steam still seems to be offering the combo of ESO base game plus the Morrowind Chapter (that is with the Warden included, clearly listed in the description) for EUR 20.
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  • Malacthulhu
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    Tandor wrote: »
    Thank you for your response. Unfortunately it just angered me even further.

    A company has a certain responsibility to make things clear when you buy something. Especially when it comes to new players. When its not clear you end up with unhappy folks.

    This feels an awful like a bait and switch... not to mention a money grab.

    At this point I'm just going to cut my losses and play what I purchased. No sub. No DLC. I just cannot see giving money to a company that does business this way. I do except my end ( should have done more research ).

    Bones
    Summerset had Morrowind included in the purchase as a preorder bonus, but that is no longer available.

    There is also a difference between Chapter (which is currently Summerset) and DLC (which are all the rest, including Morrowind although it was last year's Chapter). Chapters must be bought separately and are, for all intents and purposes, the current version of the "base game". DLC can be purchased with Crowns from the in-game Crown Store or unlocked automatically by subscribing (although you lose access if you stop subbing without buying them permanently).

    If you just want the Warden class, that is a separate purchase in the Crown Store as well, under Upgrades - Class.

    NOTE that purchasing the Morrowind DLC alone does not grant you access to the Warden class, it must be bought separately. They used to be sold together when Morrowind was the current Chapter but that is no longer so now that it has been demoted to DLC status. Presumably this is due to the fact that subscribers who don't own a "hard copy" of Morrowind would lose access to that character if they stopped subscribing.


    My advice would be not to miss out on stuff because of a failure to understand the way most long-term MMOs operate. The normal model is for a new expansion/chapter/call it what you will is always bought separately while when such a new expansion etc is launched the base game is expanded to include most or all of the previous updates no matter what form they took. In that way as a new player you are actually getting exceptional value for money compared to those veterans who have played from the beginning and paid one way or another for all the updates you're getting included in the base game. That applies even if you have to buy either Morrowind or just the Warden class because you missed the pre-release offer on Summerset (again, such offers are common these days).

    I do not think he is getting exceptional value, old content does not increase in value, it actually does the opposite. I am sure it goes on the books as such as well but, they still generate revenue off of it obviously.
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  • bonesinthekeel
    I did not just trash the game... I complimented it also...

    As a gamer I don't look at the bar or the actions. I look at whats happening on the screen and take action accordingly. A huge part of that is the animation for a skill. In most games when that animation breaks its an indicator something bad has happened. You got hit by a stun or some other mob skill and the skill you were using did not go off. It sets off a stop something just happened.

    When your actions continually break the animation it creates havok in your play. It triggers that response in your brain.

    A well designed game has a flow without self inflicted broken animation.

    How long would I have to play to rewire myself to the broken animation system of eso? I'm actually surprised I made it 6 days as it really really bugs me on a subconscious level. Its like a constant something bad just happened over and over.

    Anyone that games should understand this... Its not trashing the game its pointing out what I can not live with.

    Bones
    I cannot take it anymore lol... I lasted 6 days. Shortest time I have ever spent in an MMO and the only time I have failed to at least max level a char.

    The combat system is just not doable... Its like walking around with a rock in your shoe.

    The dual bar system is just clunky. The animation cancelling annoying. The animations themselves are often poor at best. loads of basic features missing ( Pet health bars anyone? not npc bars but bars you can easily see and use ). Between the animation cancelling and the lag your often left wondering if you actually completed an action. Movement and objects are often clunky.

    It blows me away when you see how beautiful and well designed the world is and the amount of content then compare that to the combat system.

    The community is great and I don't see alot of the crap you see on other forums.

    Lack of an auction house. I will never again complain about Path Of Exiles forum indexed trade system... Yes I did look at the player vendors. Really? Thats a trade system? joining a guild just to get gear seems wrong...

    Anyways... Thanks for the reply's. I wish you all luck.

    Bones

    you can make your own gear, trade npc are numerous and imo is better then the souless block AH/Mb.
    You complain too much, and don't seem interested to learn. You just came in and trashed the MMO. 6 days, that isn't even trying an mmo out. -_-

  • Azuramoonstar
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    I did not just trash the game... I complimented it also...

    As a gamer I don't look at the bar or the actions. I look at whats happening on the screen and take action accordingly. A huge part of that is the animation for a skill. In most games when that animation breaks its an indicator something bad has happened. You got hit by a stun or some other mob skill and the skill you were using did not go off. It sets off a stop something just happened.

    When your actions continually break the animation it creates havok in your play. It triggers that response in your brain.

    A well designed game has a flow without self inflicted broken animation.

    How long would I have to play to rewire myself to the broken animation system of eso? I'm actually surprised I made it 6 days as it really really bugs me on a subconscious level. Its like a constant something bad just happened over and over.

    Anyone that games should understand this... Its not trashing the game its pointing out what I can not live with.

    Bones
    I cannot take it anymore lol... I lasted 6 days. Shortest time I have ever spent in an MMO and the only time I have failed to at least max level a char.

    The combat system is just not doable... Its like walking around with a rock in your shoe.

    The dual bar system is just clunky. The animation cancelling annoying. The animations themselves are often poor at best. loads of basic features missing ( Pet health bars anyone? not npc bars but bars you can easily see and use ). Between the animation cancelling and the lag your often left wondering if you actually completed an action. Movement and objects are often clunky.

    It blows me away when you see how beautiful and well designed the world is and the amount of content then compare that to the combat system.

    The community is great and I don't see alot of the crap you see on other forums.

    Lack of an auction house. I will never again complain about Path Of Exiles forum indexed trade system... Yes I did look at the player vendors. Really? Thats a trade system? joining a guild just to get gear seems wrong...

    Anyways... Thanks for the reply's. I wish you all luck.

    Bones

    you can make your own gear, trade npc are numerous and imo is better then the souless block AH/Mb.
    You complain too much, and don't seem interested to learn. You just came in and trashed the MMO. 6 days, that isn't even trying an mmo out. -_-

    animation canceling is normal for faster pace games when you weave in skills like you can in eso. i've been gaming 30 years, been playing mmo since 2004, i have 30+ mmo under my belt.

    all i hear from you are petty complaints from a person who supposedly quit, but looking for attention. I'd be more sympathetic if you had something worthy to complain about.

    animation canceling has been in games for a long while, and it beats animation locking. Which your character is locked in place till it is done. Enemy hits can happen at any time, and would require animation canceling to avoid it.

    And yes you have been trashing the game since the OP. 6 days is not enough to get a feel for an MMO.
    Edited by Azuramoonstar on July 26, 2018 1:19AM
    Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
    Long time Elder scrolls player: Xbox launch morrowind.
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  • Azuramoonstar
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    Tandor wrote: »
    Thank you for your response. Unfortunately it just angered me even further.

    A company has a certain responsibility to make things clear when you buy something. Especially when it comes to new players. When its not clear you end up with unhappy folks.

    This feels an awful like a bait and switch... not to mention a money grab.

    At this point I'm just going to cut my losses and play what I purchased. No sub. No DLC. I just cannot see giving money to a company that does business this way. I do except my end ( should have done more research ).

    Bones
    Summerset had Morrowind included in the purchase as a preorder bonus, but that is no longer available.

    There is also a difference between Chapter (which is currently Summerset) and DLC (which are all the rest, including Morrowind although it was last year's Chapter). Chapters must be bought separately and are, for all intents and purposes, the current version of the "base game". DLC can be purchased with Crowns from the in-game Crown Store or unlocked automatically by subscribing (although you lose access if you stop subbing without buying them permanently).

    If you just want the Warden class, that is a separate purchase in the Crown Store as well, under Upgrades - Class.

    NOTE that purchasing the Morrowind DLC alone does not grant you access to the Warden class, it must be bought separately. They used to be sold together when Morrowind was the current Chapter but that is no longer so now that it has been demoted to DLC status. Presumably this is due to the fact that subscribers who don't own a "hard copy" of Morrowind would lose access to that character if they stopped subscribing.


    My advice would be not to miss out on stuff because of a failure to understand the way most long-term MMOs operate. The normal model is for a new expansion/chapter/call it what you will is always bought separately while when such a new expansion etc is launched the base game is expanded to include most or all of the previous updates no matter what form they took. In that way as a new player you are actually getting exceptional value for money compared to those veterans who have played from the beginning and paid one way or another for all the updates you're getting included in the base game. That applies even if you have to buy either Morrowind or just the Warden class because you missed the pre-release offer on Summerset (again, such offers are common these days).

    I do not think he is getting exceptional value, old content does not increase in value, it actually does the opposite. I am sure it goes on the books as such as well but, they still generate revenue off of it obviously.

    it does add value the more content players can do there. most mmo old content gets obsolete which doesn't do much.
    Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
    Long time Elder scrolls player: Xbox launch morrowind.
    Follower of the dawn and dusk, keeper of the moon and star.
  • geonsocal
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    @bonesinthekeel

    no bones, don't go!!!

    just had a chance to read through the thread - absolutely love your honest perception of the game...

    yeah man, there's a ton of *** up *** going on...and yet, here a lot of us are...

    the animation is outstanding, the pace slow (which for me works well), some of the stories really interesting, the environments and sound effects are pretty excellent...

    I'm hoping you'll dip your toe in to cyrodiil and let us know what you experience :)

    edit: give it another few years, and, you may become comfortably numb...
    Edited by geonsocal on July 26, 2018 12:29AM
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  • Long_Jon_Nefty
    I cannot take it anymore lol... I lasted 6 days. Shortest time I have ever spent in an MMO and the only time I have failed to at least max level a char.

    The combat system is just not doable... Its like walking around with a rock in your shoe.

    The dual bar system is just clunky. The animation cancelling annoying. The animations themselves are often poor at best. loads of basic features missing ( Pet health bars anyone? not npc bars but bars you can easily see and use ). Between the animation cancelling and the lag your often left wondering if you actually completed an action. Movement and objects are often clunky.

    It blows me away when you see how beautiful and well designed the world is and the amount of content then compare that to the combat system.

    The community is great and I don't see alot of the crap you see on other forums.

    Lack of an auction house. I will never again complain about Path Of Exiles forum indexed trade system... Yes I did look at the player vendors. Really? Thats a trade system? joining a guild just to get gear seems wrong...

    Anyways... Thanks for the reply's. I wish you all luck.

    Bones

    First of all... you only need to join a trading guild to sell stuff through their trader, anyone can buy gear through any trader. Which is just fine with me and many others.

    And if youre used to "fast twitchy gameplay" then why is is so hard for you to comprehend if your skills are firing or not? Turn on the buff/debuff view option. Check the enemy to see if your debuff affected them(which it did lol) Did their health bar move after your cast? (Lol again)

    And thank god for animation canceling. Oh and thank god for bar swapping as well. If you didn't have two weapon slots then build diversity would be instantly gutted.

    You've been complaining for a week or more. If you have no interest in learning then just GO, and quit clogging up the forums. We have enough whiners on here already, but at least they have real issues to complain about.

    Laterrr.
    Edited by Long_Jon_Nefty on July 26, 2018 1:02AM
  • Long_Jon_Nefty
    And in case you want to reply with "why can't we have two weapon slots and just one bar? " Well... The reason is because why should you be able to cast a bow skill when your bow is not out? You shouldn't. And it would gray out many of your slotted skills which would be even more clunky IMO. (Not to mention down right unseemly)
  • idk
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    Challenging? Not even close. Its a pretty simple combat system.

    The combat system is clunky and annoying. A two bar system? That was needed? really? Makes it more cohesive or is it just an added burden that's completely unnecessary. Animation cancelling? Cannot fix that either? How about animations that match the combat speed?

    There is no cohesive flow to combat. It feels unnatural. What I see on screen does not match what is happening. You just launched a skill it ends up getting canceled by a staff attack. Did it go off? Did it not?

    It ends up screwing with your game play.

    Im used to fast twitchy game play. This is not that.
    idk wrote: »
    OGLezard wrote: »
    Morrowind comes with the cheap subscription fee. So do all other dlcs. Summerset would be the only thing you would need to buy.

    This does not answer what OP is looking for. He was not looking for Morrwind but for the Warden Class

    @bonesinthekeel Warden class can only be purchased via the crown store now. It is under Upgrades > Class.

    Morrowind will not grant you the Warden Class anymore since it is just a DLC now.

    As for the last post, the combat system has worked fine for over 4 years though some that come from games like WoW and SWTOR have a challenge getting used to it. Being you gave it less than a week it is not surprising you are challenged with it. As for lag, I rarely experience lag in PvE.

    No. It is merely that you have given it a full 6 days to get used to it.

    I would suggest you give it more than the 6 days you have so far and maybe find and join a nice social guild where you may find some help with that which is challenging you.

    Pretty much most of us are not challenged with the bar swap nor do we fine it clunky and it certainly does not mess up game play. I believe you can figure it out as long as you can look past what challenges you and find the solution.
  • Ranger74z
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    Yeah, you've gotta pay close attention to what you're buying.

    Thing is, once you understand the structure of the game, there's actually some good deals out there.
    Especially when things go on sale. :)

    Best of luck!
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