NA Vivec server crashes and resets captured scrolls

Agrippa_Invisus · July 2018

casparian wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

This year's midyear mayhem is going to be an absolute garbage parade.

The level of complete non-operability of the Cyrodiil servers is beyond anything I've seen in my memory (discounting the 2 weeks post lighting patch).

I logged on briefly this morning before work and with non-locked off hour pops I was still rubber banding from outside a keep to back inside of it. Nothing was even under siege on the map and no major fights were happening anywhere.

I'm seriously considering ending my monthly sub. Paying ZOS is just rewarding them for bad behavior.

Why haven't you moved to Shor or Sotha then?

I'm genuinely curious. If more guilds from each alliance moved over to Shor it could actually be a great campaign, instead of the emp farm it currently is. Is the idea that the campaign where Drac is is the only competitive one, or what?

The problem with a guild moving over to Shor is that unless there is an equal number of opposition guilds that also move over, that guild merely perpetuates the One Dominant Alliance thing that happens on most smaller campaigns.

My guild has done it. We moved over to Shor for a bit, and dominated. No offense to the regulars of Shor, but a Vivec PVP guild showing up tends to dominate the map. Thing is, no opposition guilds came over during that time, so we had no one to compete with. Rather than continue to dominate Shor for our faction (and really annoy the regular opposition on Shor), we went back to Vivec, where we faced actual competition and weren't unbalancing a generally lower pop campaign.

So unless guilds from EP, AD, and DC all go over to Shor, one guild going over just unbalances the lower pop campaign in favor of their faction and doesn't create the competitive environment of Vivec. It just makes Shor's problems worse. And the guilds of EP, AD and DC generally don't cooperate well enough to make such a move to Shor work.

But maybe the current state of Vivec politics makes that difficult to solve.

There are a lot of Vivec guilds that do not like each other very much. It makes having any coordination between them difficult.

Crispen_Longbow · July 2018

nouagea wrote: »

Can definitely confirm the madness taking place after the server booted me. Scroll buffs still up but the 2 DC scrolls captured by EP are back with DC.

Lol what would you rather have? The scrolls for a little while longer, ticking away at a useless campaign score, or the bug where EP now has Perma scroll buffs for the missing scrolls as well as having the perma Emp buff without actually having emp.

VaranisArano · July 2018

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

nouagea wrote: »

Can definitely confirm the madness taking place after the server booted me. Scroll buffs still up but the 2 DC scrolls captured by EP are back with DC.

Lol what would you rather have? The scrolls for a little while longer, ticking away at a useless campaign score, or the bug where EP now has Perma scroll buffs for the missing scrolls as well as having the perma Emp buff without actually having emp.

Personally, I'd rather have the campaign working properly. Scrolls buffs for the scrolls we own. No emp buff for the emp we don't have.

I'd like a working campaign. Is that too much to ask for?

Kartalin · July 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'd like a working campaign. Is that too much to ask for?

Apparently yes.

nouagea · July 2018

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

nouagea wrote: »

Can definitely confirm the madness taking place after the server booted me. Scroll buffs still up but the 2 DC scrolls captured by EP are back with DC.

Lol what would you rather have? The scrolls for a little while longer, ticking away at a useless campaign score, or the bug where EP now has Perma scroll buffs for the missing scrolls as well as having the perma Emp buff without actually having emp.

Hell if I know - was just commenting on what was apparent. But a working campaign would be nice for all factions involved here.

BRogueNZ · July 2018

barshemm wrote: »

Unless you like sitting in queue forever and trolling PvE players trying to quest in towns, mid year mayhem is never enjoyable.

get the views and follows though bro lol

Agrippa_Invisus · July 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

nouagea wrote: »

Can definitely confirm the madness taking place after the server booted me. Scroll buffs still up but the 2 DC scrolls captured by EP are back with DC.

Lol what would you rather have? The scrolls for a little while longer, ticking away at a useless campaign score, or the bug where EP now has Perma scroll buffs for the missing scrolls as well as having the perma Emp buff without actually having emp.

Personally, I'd rather have the campaign working properly. Scrolls buffs for the scrolls we own. No emp buff for the emp we don't have.

I'd like a working campaign. Is that too much to ask for?

I love the viewpoint that seems to be percolating that 'as long as it screws EP, it's ok if the server takes a dump on itself'.

A working, functioning server benefits everyone.

People shouldn't try to cut off their noses to spite their faces. It usually just ends up a mess for everyone involved.

Crispen_Longbow · July 2018

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

nouagea wrote: »

Can definitely confirm the madness taking place after the server booted me. Scroll buffs still up but the 2 DC scrolls captured by EP are back with DC.

Lol what would you rather have? The scrolls for a little while longer, ticking away at a useless campaign score, or the bug where EP now has Perma scroll buffs for the missing scrolls as well as having the perma Emp buff without actually having emp.

Personally, I'd rather have the campaign working properly. Scrolls buffs for the scrolls we own. No emp buff for the emp we don't have.

I'd like a working campaign. Is that too much to ask for?

I love the viewpoint that seems to be percolating that 'as long as it screws EP, it's ok if the server takes a dump on itself'.

A working, functioning server benefits everyone.

People shouldn't try to cut off their noses to spite their faces. It usually just ends up a mess for everyone involved.

I just think it's hypocritical to complain about losing scrolls but not to complain about keeping the Scroll buffs and Emp buffs. Where are the posts from EP complaining about the extra buffs they have?

We have complained about fixing the servers & lag for 4 or 5 years now. It's not going to change, we all know that.

Agrippa_Invisus · July 2018

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

nouagea wrote: »

Can definitely confirm the madness taking place after the server booted me. Scroll buffs still up but the 2 DC scrolls captured by EP are back with DC.

Lol what would you rather have? The scrolls for a little while longer, ticking away at a useless campaign score, or the bug where EP now has Perma scroll buffs for the missing scrolls as well as having the perma Emp buff without actually having emp.

Personally, I'd rather have the campaign working properly. Scrolls buffs for the scrolls we own. No emp buff for the emp we don't have.

I'd like a working campaign. Is that too much to ask for?

I love the viewpoint that seems to be percolating that 'as long as it screws EP, it's ok if the server takes a dump on itself'.

A working, functioning server benefits everyone.

People shouldn't try to cut off their noses to spite their faces. It usually just ends up a mess for everyone involved.

I just think it's hypocritical to complain about losing scrolls but not to complain about keeping the Scroll buffs and Emp buffs. Where are the posts from EP complaining about the extra buffs they have?

We have complained about fixing the servers & lag for 4 or 5 years now. It's not going to change, we all know that.

I think you're missing the point.

On top of that Varanis already explicitly mentioned it in this thread. As a related issue, there don't need to be multiple threads about it. The problem, and all the details around it can be contained in one thread.

Again, the vast majority of EP just want servers that work right. Whether it be buffs being correct to the map state, or scrolls not teleporting around. That benefits everybody.

And yeah, we have been complaining about it a long time. Should we be silent and just accept our lot? Because I tell you what, if that's the case, the best choice is for people to just stop paying for their subs. I'm sure there'll be plenty of space in Cyrodiil then. It's not as if the pvp community of this game isn't already tiny enough.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · July 2018

Pvp players paying or not for anything makes absolutely no difference to priority of issues the only thing that would make a difference is negative publicity on social media and even then it's easily hidden because the community size is so small.

CerebralNoise · July 2018

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

nouagea wrote: »

Can definitely confirm the madness taking place after the server booted me. Scroll buffs still up but the 2 DC scrolls captured by EP are back with DC.

Lol what would you rather have? The scrolls for a little while longer, ticking away at a useless campaign score, or the bug where EP now has Perma scroll buffs for the missing scrolls as well as having the perma Emp buff without actually having emp.

EP had the perma Emp buff last campaign for a while too, but you didn't see any mention of that here.

That nonsense aside, I truly don't understand how this games performance continues to get worse day after day. I cancelled my sub a few months ago because I won't support this garbage any longer. The only thing I do in this game anymore is PvP and I can't support a company who clearly could care less about the state of PvP and it's players.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · July 2018

Mayhem will be an utter mess. I logged in today, ported to Bleakers and was greeted by an EP going in an out of postern.

Ita mind boggling that issues like this haven't been addressed yet and the sprint bug. Why aren't these things a concern before a hyped event?

We know performance won't be great but the little things should be prioritized: functioning walls, proper buffs, sprint bug. I'm fairly certain they had over a month of notice on walls and sprint bugs.

O and I can guarantee we will see entire groups disconnect when walls or doors drop. Idk how Wheeler or Lambert are ok with this, I know they can see it. Just sit back at any large keep battle for the last half year and you will see entire groups disconnect when walls and doors fall.

That's ZoS not the players.

Crispen_Longbow · July 2018

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I think you're missing the point.

I'm not missing the point. What we want and what we will get are miles apart.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And yeah, we have been complaining about it a long time. Should we be silent and just accept our lot?

Simple answer is yes. So many have already realized this and quit.

I accepted a long time ago that this game isn't going to improve. So I play it for what it is. I jump on twice a week to kill enemies and play with friends. I don't expect anything else from it.

Enjoy what you have, remember fondly of the old times and look forward to new games on the horizon.

Agrippa_Invisus · July 2018

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Simple answer is yes. So many have already realized this and quit.

I refuse to accept this from any standpoint as a consumer.

As long as ZOS is being given my money I maintain my right to shout to the heavens how crap their service is if they fail to live up to basic expectations.

If you don't like that, I don't care.

Crispen_Longbow · July 2018

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Simple answer is yes. So many have already realized this and quit.

I refuse to accept this from any standpoint as a consumer.

As long as ZOS is being given my money I maintain my right to shout to the heavens how crap their service is if they fail to live up to basic expectations.

If you don't like that, I don't care.

Every month you give ZOS your money and you expect a different result. Where have I heard that before...?

Agrippa_Invisus · July 2018

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Simple answer is yes. So many have already realized this and quit.

I refuse to accept this from any standpoint as a consumer.

As long as ZOS is being given my money I maintain my right to shout to the heavens how crap their service is if they fail to live up to basic expectations.

If you don't like that, I don't care.

Every month you give ZOS your money and you expect a different result. Where have I heard that before...?

And here I thought I was the cynical one.

Maybe what I'm saying won't help. Probably won't help, sure.

But you telling everyone to be quiet and just go along is guaranteed to not help anything. You go be you, but leave us to levy valid criticism as needed.

Crispen_Longbow · July 2018

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Maybe what I'm saying won't help. Probably won't help, sure.

Yep we agree.

VaranisArano · July 2018

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Crispen_Longbow wrote: »

nouagea wrote: »

Can definitely confirm the madness taking place after the server booted me. Scroll buffs still up but the 2 DC scrolls captured by EP are back with DC.

Lol what would you rather have? The scrolls for a little while longer, ticking away at a useless campaign score, or the bug where EP now has Perma scroll buffs for the missing scrolls as well as having the perma Emp buff without actually having emp.

Personally, I'd rather have the campaign working properly. Scrolls buffs for the scrolls we own. No emp buff for the emp we don't have.

I'd like a working campaign. Is that too much to ask for?

I love the viewpoint that seems to be percolating that 'as long as it screws EP, it's ok if the server takes a dump on itself'.

A working, functioning server benefits everyone.

People shouldn't try to cut off their noses to spite their faces. It usually just ends up a mess for everyone involved.

I just think it's hypocritical to complain about losing scrolls but not to complain about keeping the Scroll buffs and Emp buffs. Where are the posts from EP complaining about the extra buffs they have?

We have complained about fixing the servers & lag for 4 or 5 years now. It's not going to change, we all know that.

I'm not sure I want to hear "EP is being hypocritical about which things from the broken servers they complain about" and "Complaining about the broken servers is pointless" from the same person. (Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you pointing out the Emp buff issue which I hadn't realized until you pointed it out. Thank you for that. Now I have a new issue to keep on my radar and report whenever I see it.)

But, if its pointless, surely it doesn't matter, right?

Personally, I disagree with that whole premise. Its not useless (I hope) and it does matter. I choose to strive to not be hypocritical as best I can, complaining about the PVP performance issues I see whether it benefits me or not. Whether ZOS listens to me or not.

A rising tide lifts all boats, and ZOS addressing Cyrodiil's persistent performance issue would benefit everyone.

I would rather have a reliably working campaign where my faction only gets the buffs they earned than a broken server where my faction benefits from buffs they haven't earned. Whether or not ZOS can actually deliver that reliably working campaign doesn't remove my responsibility to advocate for a campaign that works the way its supposed to for all factions.

I can't speak for all of EP, that's for sure. But I want to get the buffs we earned and no more than that. I'd like to think I'm not asking too much to have campaigns that work the way they are supposed to.

So I'll continue to report and document PVP bugs, incorrect Emp buffs included now that I know about them, and hope that ZOS can fix PVP for everyone, not just my faction.