OneWarlord001 wrote: »

At level 50 have the option to unlock found skyshards from your other characters. They share the bank. They share CP. Why not? Games are pass times. Not my life.

Then don't take the game so seriously. It's a pastime. Relax and enjoy it with the skill points your character has.

West1389 wrote: »

I dont get the right off the bat NO!!!!!!

This subject has been discussed before. This thread actually has nothing new in it that has not already been discussed. I looked. It is like watching a rerun where you know all the dialog and can recite it as they say it.

Valrien wrote: »

Why exactly is account CP a bad precedent, and Skyshards unthinkable...but banking okay?

The game is touted and played as an MMORPG it's "a character" that we each run at a time, not a group, even if some of us (like me) are severe alt-o-holics. Having played in any number of pen-and-paper RPGs at a time, and played with multiple characters in some of them, it's not a big leap for me.

Given that, I'm not surprised (and am happy) that most of what happens in the game (achievements, resolutions to red quest questions and so on) is individual. I could offer examples of what my various characters did different from each other, and why and how it mattered to me, but good RP is like Jazz - if you like it I don't have to explain it, and if you don't, no explanation will suffice.

Yeah in a perfect RP world, CP and banking would all be character bound. But 1-I bet that's annoyingly hard to do in terms of programming, and 2-I think that making CP account bound was a fairly decent compromise between the people who play RP style and the people who play chess style.

Banking doesn't do much for how any given character acts in the world; and CP doesn't so much give you skills as it modifies the skills you do have.

Skyshard hunting does several things: 1-interaction with the world (by means of running around in it) 2-introduction to out-of-the way quests that a particular player (or character) might not have found and 3-gives your character more easily accessible options in terms of switching skills during play. I've not done a count, so I don't know if there is an "average" or "ideal" number of passives a character has - but you only have 5 skills on a bar at a time, so in terms of actual play, you can survive without any skyshards, even on a CP160 character (I know, I've done it - not super hard vet content - but I haven't done that on any character).

Of the three, Skyshard hunting is an inherent part of the mmoRPG experience.

That's my thinking.

YMMV

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

It's like every other grind in this game. Its intent is to get you to play the game longer.

If you want alts, then follow the process, because it's really not that big of a deal. 17 characters between two accounts, in various stages of transition, but the majority are maxed/maxed/maxed/pretty darn close to maxed on all the relevant things.

If you're going stop playing the game after a period due to grind burnout, you're also likely to stop playing the game after a period due to endgame boredom burnout. So the end result is the same. If you're wanting to try alternate builds, the second will likely see you play less much faster than the first.

It's an initial investment (skillpoints, skilllines, guildlines, minimal crafting passives, gear) and if you tally it up for a single character to be functional, it's still really not that much, and per character, you still only have to do it once.

As fast as you can get to 50, and get the majority of everything else you need, you're basically asking for a instant max level character.

If you want a template character, play on the PTS.

CP's are shared, gear is shared, trait grind is eliminated (not like it's hard to get stones), so a quick sprint to 50 and some books (maybe) and some shards are really all that's left.

Erm ... No pts on console ... Also no add ons that lessen the grind ... We console players need some loving

I'd like to see linked characters so you can choose to grind it out or have them linked so both characters earn achievements same way you do champion points

Not sure if I commented in this or not, but I would support the option for account wide achievements etc. as long as they are an option as to not upset those who don’t want them.

How about, you get all completed shards as done on other characters, but you don't get possession of those skill points until you've completed the storyline for that zone? (Or in the case of Cyrodil, something like reaching some nominal rank).

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

So out of genuine curiosity, why do you guys think grinding the same stuff 8-15 times over is fun?

I legitimately don't understand. Is it just one of those "I did it so you have to" things? Masochism? Having too much time on your hands?

Its not fun grinding the same stuff over and over. You know what worse though? Flavor of the week PvP, and people giving up on something because it doesnt work for them in the first 10 minutes. If everyone had access to all there Skyshards and everything, there would be nothing but Sorcs in Cryodiil and Nightblades in PvE, because everone would have just moved over all there gear from last weeks flavor.

My first 2 Characters where DKs. I quit them both before even reaching lvl 15 because I didn't like them. Now one of those 2 is a vTrials DK Healer, since Homestead. Because I kept with the game and learned how to play DK later, I was able to make a fun build.

That's not really how skyshards or lorebooks work.

No idea what you mean here. I didnt say anything about how Skyshards and Lorebooks work. Other than answer the forum question of should they be account wide.

People are going to make alts regardless.

Yes, but not 5 a patch as they switch to the new meta class

May as well make it easier to make alts. There's no point in doing work you've already done

No, you should not make it easier to allow people to make the new cancer build. If you want Charater, whether t is your 1st or 14th, you should have to put a little work into it to make it worth having.

What I do not want is for people to be switching to the new flavor of the month. This wont happen nearly so often with the extra work. I have 10 characters. I've only ever deleted one and I only made it for the extra 60 storage before I caved and got plus.

People will absolutely switch to the flavor of the month if all you have to do is a 3 hour grind to 50 and then you have all your Guilds, Skill Points, and everything to leap into what ever content. I do not want to see 80% Werewolfs in Cryodiil 2 days after Wolf Hunter. I already hate that 90% of Trials runs are 1 DK, 1 Sorc, 1 Templar and 9 Nightblades

Most people it takes longer than 3 hours be realistic here. The average person wont hit 50 in a month of playing.

@Tetrafy A month? Holy... I don't "grind, I level via questing. I usually only do it during an XP event, but during New Life I leveled two new charaters. So no a month is not reasonable. I also work 48 hour work weeks.
However, I don't say no because of casual players. I say no because of cancer players. Someone who takes a month to level a character isnt making or breaking the game in either direction. However, someone who levels in 3 to 6 hours is. They are the type that will stop the month long level person from getting into a trial because they dont have the meta build and who will crush them in PvP making them never come back to it.

Well to be honest good players need to step up and start new groups that welcome the non 60k meta player.

degarmo_ESO wrote: »

How about, you get all completed shards as done on other characters, but you don't get possession of those skill points until you've completed the storyline for that zone? (Or in the case of Cyrodil, something like reaching some nominal rank).

<chuckle> Despite my 25+ characters (lost count), I have only "completed the storyline" for a zone ... twice. Both times it was starting zone, once Daggerfall, once Auridon. Still haven't finished Cadwell's on either of them.

Tandor wrote: »

shadowwraith666 wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

I think nobody is against having that option available. After all, there are addons on PC that do this.

you have the option of using addons though, console does not

There are plenty who have that option but don't exercise it. Just because something isn't available to you doesn't mean that you are at a disadvantage compared to those for whom it is available. Many of the complaints about how easy the game is, how little time it takes to complete a paid-for chapter etc are from players using shortcuts through addons. It cheapens the game experience rather than enhances it, and we can see from other games like WoW and SWG before it how dumbing down a game results in veteran players leaving, not new players joining. With shortcuts players simply get to complain about the endgame sooner, that's all. It doesn't make the game any better, quite the contrary.

Us console players would at least like to have that option!! If players wish to go hard core / old school with skyshards and lore books then they can turn the option off!!

AlnilamE wrote: »

West1389 wrote: »

Why do SOME get so angry over wanting a feature in game the could be turned on and off? If you want to grind for the shards, and do it without having it on the map then you would have option to turn it off.

I dont get the right off the bat NO!!!!!! i had to do so do you talk. This is like the grandparents story of how all of them walked 5 miles in snow barefoot, and up a hill for the school bus. Things evolve to make life easier, sure you have the option to do the same walk they did. We wont hate you or scream that it make no sense when there is a bus, bike, skates, plus much more.

Why do we get hate for just wanting a feature on the map to show the shards and books we already collected? I can save a lot of ink, I print out the maps and use that to find them. Now whats the difference of people having either a phone, laptop, or like me paper to track down the shards......NOTHING!!!!!! We still have to get them, and run our butts all over still it just puts them on the map now.

I never really comment I just read the forum daily to see anything new coming up. I click on post like this and see all the hate i just dont get it. This next part will trigger a lot of you I AM FOR A AUCTION HOUSE. Ill leave with that.

Well, the OP presented his position as being that all skyshards should only need to be collected once per account.

That is not an optional convenience. It's a major short cut to character progression. So that's a NO.

As for having them marked on the map, either after you find them once or as a default filter option, sure, why not? As you said, you would still have to go get them, which is fine.

Cously wrote: »

If you consider collecting skyshards playing the game, you really haven't played the game. I only play a single character since day 1 so for me is irrelevant but I can empathize with others that don't care for that grind and just want to jump into the game. It is a fair request. Also neither side really has a point since ZOS have lots of stuff account wide and lots of stuff character wide. It's about time we get some consistency. Tell me, honestly, who will ever complete all motifs in several characters? Bovine excrement! No account wide motifs but can use them in outfits and can use the colours of achievements they don't have. I can wear my Emperor armour on my lv.1 noob but can't have the title. CP are account wide but not skyshards. Is it even an argument how broken the character would be with skill points at level 1 loooool. If the player did it, he should have access to it anywhere. It's about time we have crap account wide. The achievement bars meant to be full. Doesn't matter in what char you completed what, just matter your skill as player. ZOS gimped some classes so hard it becomes impossible to be a completionist with that character, I'm talking the real *** like hard modes, no deaths, speed runs. Should those players be robbed of their progression because the company goes full tard and completely change a class. That wasn't part of the deal, no sir! If was earned, it's not free. That's logic 101.

Personally, I consider exploring the world part of playing the game and developing a character. Finding skyshards (and killing World Bosses and exploring delves) is part of that.

From my limited experience, most MMOs have a mix of account-wide and character-specific options. The only one I found that seems to be character-only is Secret World Legends, but I don't know for sure because I haven't dared make an alt there yet.

But from my experience, crafting and individual character progression (ie, things that let you learn skills) tend to be specific to the character, not the account.

Now, each of these things is a design choice that has ramifications beyond the simple fact of being character specific or not. For example, if you only needed to learn Motifs once per account and all your characters could craft them, then they would have to lock crafting writs to be doable only once per account per day, rather than as many characters as you feel like (because chances of getting a Master Writ are tied to motif knowledge).

So design choices are ramifications that go beyond the apparent reason. As for skyshards, it has been pointed out several times that you don't need a lot of skill points to spec out a build alt. Simply leveling the toon to 50 will get you more than half of what you need.

You make good points such as the one of master writ get chance.

West1389 wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

If you consider collecting skyshards playing the game, you really haven't played the game. I only play a single character since day 1 so for me is irrelevant but I can empathize with others that don't care for that grind and just want to jump into the game. It is a fair request. Also neither side really has a point since ZOS have lots of stuff account wide and lots of stuff character wide. It's about time we get some consistency. Tell me, honestly, who will ever complete all motifs in several characters? Bovine excrement! No account wide motifs but can use them in outfits and can use the colours of achievements they don't have. I can wear my Emperor armour on my lv.1 noob but can't have the title. CP are account wide but not skyshards. Is it even an argument how broken the character would be with skill points at level 1 loooool. If the player did it, he should have access to it anywhere. It's about time we have crap account wide. The achievement bars meant to be full. Doesn't matter in what char you completed what, just matter your skill as player. ZOS gimped some classes so hard it becomes impossible to be a completionist with that character, I'm talking the real *** like hard modes, no deaths, speed runs. Should those players be robbed of their progression because the company goes full tard and completely change a class. That wasn't part of the deal, no sir! If was earned, it's not free. That's logic 101.

This may be the best post I have seen. This is really how we feel, but to get things past all the NO people we have to really gut what we ask for. This may never happen, and some act like it already ruined their game.