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Mag sorcs is killing pvp
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭White wabbit wrote: »Don't worry, give it a few months and it'll be another class again. That's how the "nerf this thing" trend works.
My money is on Wardens as soon as they see any meaningful positive changes.
I don't think we'll ever see the forums getting cluttered with nerf Warden, DK and Templar threads. It's not going to happen. We all have our favorites and so does ZOS.
Plain to see which is Zos's favourite
Its not ZOS but one and only wrobel!Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 21, 2018 12:32PM0 -
Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Waffennacht wrote: »For BGs all I see is
Stam NB
Mag sorc
Stam Sorc
Stam
Stam
Stam
Seriously the only mag class I see anymore is sorc
I play every class mag/ stam in bgs. I get bored of routine easily. And then that becomes routine, and i change all the builds . But my mag sorc hasn't changed in nearly 2 years. Spinners lich willpower eg my boo.0 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »
Your only good at killing noobs and mudcrabs
jk... I dont think mag sorc is the most played class at the moment because they can only kill noobs and mudcrabs. Do you think that?
Yes of course. For your information. Magic sorc have no debuffs. Only good at kiliing noobs and mudcrabs without reistance.
Have good stamina and CC immunity up. 30 percent of sorc class passives are unrelated . No damage boost passive. No instant burst heal . No instant burst damage. Sorc ulimates are laughable stock. Not good at killing anything and only useful in group play.
Shock damage boost - garbage ( All PVP are fire staffs) . Pet health boost - garbage. Exploitation - Garbage. Energized another garbage . Almost 30 percent of the class passives are garbage and literally no use , you are going without it to PVP. For NB all class passives are useful in PVP. same for most of the classes.
With 20K resistance against sorcs , magic sorc is complete garbage. I will smile on magic sorcs face. Just cannon fodder class. Dont waste time to even discuss it. Runcage affects killing spree of streamers pet class NB . It will be nerfed for sure. What you people want ? One shot light attack kill. A monster set with oblivion damage simlar to complements sload + shields breaker and ineffective against NBs ?
For your information , magic sorc population is very low in PVP. No top player uses it. You are just telling a balant lie.
What's your class?
Sorc. 100%1 -
They are multiplying by the hour.
For every 1 stamplar/stam dk, there are 30 mag sorcs.
Discussion is open for anyone to say otherwise. I need a good mornings read
I also play on Xbox NA, and this statement is completely false. Yes I agree there are more mag sorcs now than in the past year or so but they are not the most played class in pvp. You only notice sorcs when you get rune cages. There are equally as many of the other classes. 30 mag sorcs to every stam warden/stam dk is completely ridiculous.0 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Embrace the meta. The last ESO live made clear that rune cage spam and sloads stacking are here to stay. It's time to give up on hoping for reason from the combat team, just roll a sorc and be effortlessly happy.Edited by Reverb on July 22, 2018 6:17PMBattle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche4 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sorcs must be buffed, I agree- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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KingLogix✭✭✭
To say that there are an equal amounts of sorcs to other classes is a complete lie.TerminalBanana wrote: »They are multiplying by the hour.
For every 1 stamplar/stam dk, there are 30 mag sorcs.
Discussion is open for anyone to say otherwise. I need a good mornings read
I also play on Xbox NA, and this statement is completely false. Yes I agree there are more mag sorcs now than in the past year or so but they are not the most played class in pvp. You only notice sorcs when you get rune cages. There are equally as many of the other classes. 30 mag sorcs to every stam warden/stam dk is completely ridiculous.
I said stamplar/stam dk. Non stamden.. that is at the moment tied with nb when talking about volume.
I stand by 30 sorcs to 1 stamplar/stam dk ratio.
What is your GT on xbox na?2 -
MrDenimChicken✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »
Your only good at killing noobs and mudcrabs jk... I dont think mag sorc is the most played class at the moment because they can only kill noobs and mudcrabs. Do you think that?
Yes of course. For your information. Magic sorc have no debuffs. Only good at kiliing noobs and mudcrabs without reistance.
Have good stamina and CC immunity up. 30 percent of sorc class passives are unrelated . No damage boost passive. No instant burst heal . No instant burst damage. Sorc ulimates are laughable stock. Not good at killing anything and only useful in group play.
Shock damage boost - garbage ( All PVP are fire staffs) . Pet health boost - garbage. Exploitation - Garbage. Energized another garbage . Almost 30 percent of the class passives are garbage and literally no use , you are going without it to PVP. For NB all class passives are useful in PVP. same for most of the classes.
With 20K resistance against sorcs , magic sorc is complete garbage. I will smile on magic sorcs face. After that stupid sorc put all his
rotation, I just block heal back and smile again Having no debuffs alone will make magic sorc a worst class to play. Just cannon fodder class. Dont waste time to even discuss it. Runcage affects killing spree of streamers pet class NB . It will be nerfed for sure. What you people want ? One shot light attack kill. A monster set with oblivion damage simlar to complements sload + shields breaker and ineffective against NBs ?
For your information , magic sorc population is very low in PVP. No top player uses it. You are just telling a balant lie.
uhhh watch stream and all the top console streamers switched to their mag sorc. Sagetoad stopped playing his stam warden and is pretty much playing mag sorc 100% of the time.
and in my experience of playing cyrodil 3-4 times a week, mag sorc is by far the most popular class in cyrodil on xbox.4 -
Gprime31✭✭✭✭lol looks like op has been losing to sorcs a lot lately else why make a thread qqing about it.0
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If it gets really bad; why not start wearing shield breaker sets? I mean I know they’re growing in popularity and there’s a reason for that but there are things more immediate and effective to do than new threads all the time hoping the devs save you.0 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol... these dudes defending Sorc still. It’s been that way since launch.
What other class can 1vX in the wide open, take zero damage, hit like a truck, sustain just as hardcore, and RESERVE ALL THEIR STAMINA for CC breaks?
https://youtu.be/kJmpv0-t6-M 5 -
Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If it gets really bad; why not start wearing shield breaker sets? I mean I know they’re growing in popularity and there’s a reason for that but there are things more immediate and effective to do than new threads all the time hoping the devs save you.
Shield breaker doesn't solve the Rune Cage problem. In the next patch it will be telegraphed. It will still be unlockable and undodgable, but you'll be able to see it coming first. So I guess that's something.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche1 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭If it gets really bad; why not start wearing shield breaker sets? I mean I know they’re growing in popularity and there’s a reason for that but there are things more immediate and effective to do than new threads all the time hoping the devs save you.
Shield breaker doesn't solve the Rune Cage problem. In the next patch it will be telegraphed. It will still be unlockable and undodgable, but you'll be able to see it coming first. So I guess that's something.
But... that’s literally nothing.
You get to watch the foot go into your ass. Awesome! Thanks ZOS!0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If it gets really bad; why not start wearing shield breaker sets? I mean I know they’re growing in popularity and there’s a reason for that but there are things more immediate and effective to do than new threads all the time hoping the devs save you.
Shield breaker doesn't solve the Rune Cage problem. In the next patch it will be telegraphed. It will still be unlockable and undodgable, but you'll be able to see it coming first. So I guess that's something.
They cant make use of it if they are dead or running for their life. The rerolls will be freaking when they get some pressure like that.0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lol... these dudes defending Sorc still. It’s been that way since launch.
What other class can 1vX in the wide open, take zero damage, hit like a truck, sustain just as hardcore, and RESERVE ALL THEIR STAMINA for CC breaks?https://youtu.be/kJmpv0-t6-M
But remember, shield stacking isn't OP.1 -
Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭Lol... these dudes defending Sorc still. It’s been that way since launch.
What other class can 1vX in the wide open, take zero damage, hit like a truck, sustain just as hardcore, and RESERVE ALL THEIR STAMINA for CC breaks?https://youtu.be/kJmpv0-t6-M
But remember, shield stacking isn't OP.
It is known that anyone who gets 1vX'ed is plain bad. We've been over this. Sorc has always excelled at deleting less skilled players.
Also, I see a not insignificant amount of blocking, rolling and stam regen in there. Did you even watch the video you linked to try and figure out what was going on? Or did you just see players tickling one enemy, saw that one player was a mag sorc and felt a sudden rage.4 -
DucLIX✭✭✭As a sorc:
1- You're a coward that can only run away even if you're facing 20 hungry zerglings that will chase you from Ales to Roebeck when you streak.
2- You're a cheater or a noob that is using an overpowered class and have no skill when you win 1vX or 1v1.
3- You're a shieldstacker when you manage to survive.
I can't count the people that whispered me all of these bullsh*ts.
Shield stacking, ok we're using 3 shields for most of the sorcs, but each one is "normally" used for one thing, sorc one to defend ('cause yes, we're in light armor, that should be suicide to not us it, same as cloak for a nightblade), light armor one to recover some magicka, healing one to heal ofc.
They are pretty expansive to cast, so a sorc that is only spamming shield over & over is obviously gonna die because he got no more magicka, that's useless. Using shields needs to know how to manage ressources.
Why sorc is a garbage class ? There is no instant burst .
the 1-2 seconds that are counted is because you use light attack before to proc damage glyph.
On group play a templar /purge will nullify most of the sorc damage for entire group completely.
That's why you don't fight organised groups in sorc (when you play solo/small ofc), and why runecage is useful, you can cage a templar before he purges himself and then damage it.
Runecage is not broken, lag makes it. Because of the 1-2 seconds delay to break it. If you can't escape a runecage you should have some more reflexes or manage your ressources better, a good cage is placed when enemy got no more stamina to escape, does that makes it overpowered? no.
The best way to counter a cage is to use immovability pots or breaking it and dodgeroll after so the crystal will not hit you. So overpowered? no.
sorc is a garbage class
It's a class that provides another type of gameplay, as each classes they have weaknesses and assets.
And not all players are lookin for supercompetitiverekteveryonePGM groups.
In these types of groups sorc have better tools to be useful, as Negate, occlusion, shield (the one that give recovery to friends), mines, lightning flood (if dps and in restricted areas), execute (if in vicious death).
They can sustain & survive really good and then have important roles in organised groups because they will be able to save people in most difficult situations, same for any other classes.
Edited by DucLIX on July 23, 2018 2:34AMfaster guys kill kill0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Lol... these dudes defending Sorc still. It’s been that way since launch.
What other class can 1vX in the wide open, take zero damage, hit like a truck, sustain just as hardcore, and RESERVE ALL THEIR STAMINA for CC breaks?https://youtu.be/kJmpv0-t6-M
But remember, shield stacking isn't OP.
LOl. All light armor builds do shield stacking. Templars do . Nbs do. DKs do. DKs even have reflect spells lol. Magicka warden do around 100K shield which no one can do it. Any other class can go only half of that including magic sorc . Main problem for magic sorc no top players playing it and very old class unlike NBs. On 1v1 NB rolls over magic sorc any day on high competitive level. I dare ZOs to release 1v1 stats NB vs magic sorc on competitive level. Still NB is the alpha class for ESO and it always will be. Magic sorcs can only kill noobs and mudcrabs. On pro level its totally a junk class without any debuffs and instant burst.
Shield stacking isn't OP . All I see some noobs got rolled over who not even able to put 3 CCs as a whole group. You are welcome to make a magic sorc character .Edited by Priyasekarssk on July 23, 2018 5:47AM1 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Hayden_Knight wrote: »Give rune cage to MagWarden
On top of 100K shields ?
First I was thinking it's a meme then I've read post that followed and I laughed hard
100k shields magwardens LOL 0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭[/quote]
On top of 100K shields ? [/quote]
First I was thinking it's a meme then I've read post that followed and I laughed hard 100k shields magwardens LOL[/quote]
LOL . Are you noob ? Please dont even comment in forums. Learn to play the game first . Dont waste everyone time and thread space.
Shimmering shield alone scale up to 60K+ on good magic builds + dampen magic + healing ward . Warden also have instant burst heal.Edited by Priyasekarssk on July 23, 2018 5:22AM0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭As a sorc:
1- You're a coward that can only run away even if you're facing 20 hungry zerglings that will chase you from Ales to Roebeck when you streak.
2- You're a cheater or a noob that is using an overpowered class and have no skill when you win 1vX or 1v1.
3- You're a shieldstacker when you manage to survive.
I can't count the people that whispered me all of these bullsh*ts.
Shield stacking, ok we're using 3 shields for most of the sorcs, but each one is "normally" used for one thing, sorc one to defend ('cause yes, we're in light armor, that should be suicide to not us it, same as cloak for a nightblade), light armor one to recover some magicka, healing one to heal ofc.
They are pretty expansive to cast, so a sorc that is only spamming shield over & over is obviously gonna die because he got no more magicka, that's useless. Using shields needs to know how to manage ressources.
Why sorc is a garbage class ? There is no instant burst .
the 1-2 seconds that are counted is because you use light attack before to proc damage glyph.
On group play a templar /purge will nullify most of the sorc damage for entire group completely.
That's why you don't fight organised groups in sorc (when you play solo/small ofc), and why runecage is useful, you can cage a templar before he purges himself and then damage it.
Runecage is not broken, lag makes it. Because of the 1-2 seconds delay to break it. If you can't escape a runecage you should have some more reflexes or manage your ressources better, a good cage is placed when enemy got no more stamina to escape, does that makes it overpowered? no.
The best way to counter a cage is to use immovability pots or breaking it and dodgeroll after so the crystal will not hit you. So overpowered? no.
sorc is a garbage class
It's a class that provides another type of gameplay, as each classes they have weaknesses and assets.
And not all players are lookin for supercompetitiverekteveryonePGM groups.
In these types of groups sorc have better tools to be useful, as Negate, occlusion, shield (the one that give recovery to friends), mines, lightning flood (if dps and in restricted areas), execute (if in vicious death).
They can sustain & survive really good and then have important roles in organised groups because they will be able to save people in most difficult situations, same for any other classes.
I am not using mage sorcs for PVP. I am using stam sorcs converted from mage sorc, stam nb and stamden. I am totally out of magic sorc now. My only magic build is DK. I tried to make it work against pro players. Its useless. Only good for stomping noobs, who play without a CC , resistance and debuffs.Edited by Priyasekarssk on July 23, 2018 5:45AM0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »
On top of 100K shields ?First I was thinking it's a meme then I've read post that followed and I laughed hard 100k shields magwardens LOL
LOL . Are you noob ? Please dont even comment in forums. Learn to play the game first . Dont waste everyone time and thread space.
Shimmering shield alone scale up to 60K+ on good magic builds + dampen magic + healing ward . Warden also have instant burst heal.
Oh boy. You're clueless about things You're talking about that it just encouraged me to explain few things to you.
Fisrt and for most , I dont know how You missed it since this is in thread title but let me enlight You , this thread is about PvP where all shields are cut by 50% , so You wont see Smimerring Shield with 60k tooltip or anything close to that in PvP.
Next thing , Shimmering Shield scales purely from max health , here is formula for scaling $1 = 1.49994 Health + 0.4371 , so if You would like to see 60k shields from this ability in PvP You would have to run build with 80k health (good luck with that). Shimmering shiled is also not considered as thing we all recognize as shield. It's something between dk wings and shield since it only absorbs projectiles so basicly if You'll be attacked by the builds that are not using projectiles or are not highly based on them (lot of them in PvP) this skill looses on effectivenes.
Also this ability despite tooltip that may look high have one simple rule rule. It absorbs 3 projectiles so even if You would have that 80k hp and 60k shimmering shield enemy can just use 3 light attacks from bow or staff that will hit You for 1-2k each and Your 60k shimmering wil be gone.
Dampen magic and healing ward are non class shields so every magicka builds have acces to it. Dampen sacales purely from max magicka so You need to have high magicka to have really high tooltip on it. Also dampen cost is pretty high and if You'll choose harness magicka morph which thanks to magicka restoiring feature is cheaper shields will be weaker.
As for instant burst heal yes warden have it but I wouldnt call this ability extremly strong on magicka warden. In solo situation it's at best mediocre ability since there isnt much that follows on magwarden that would make this ability strong. Magplar have burst heal but also have purge , dk have burst heal but also have major mending on demand and tankiness builded into class , magwarden is just lacking something that would make that burst heal more then just kinda okish ability at best. If magwardens would be that extremly strong as You described dont You think PvP would be overfloded with them ? Instead all we see are most of the time magwardens healers or tanks and sometimes DDs but most of them without succeses.
As for quote "LOL . Are you noob ? Please dont even comment in forums. Learn to play the game first . Dont waste everyone time and thread space." , I think those are the words that very precisely describe Your behaviour and actions You should take. You proved beyond any doubt You have no idea about game mechanics yet in Your ignorance You think differently.
Also learn to quote.Edited by Juhasow on July 23, 2018 6:01AM3 -
ruikkarikun✭✭✭✭✭Lol... these dudes defending Sorc still. It’s been that way since launch.
What other class can 1vX in the wide open, take zero damage, hit like a truck, sustain just as hardcore, and RESERVE ALL THEIR STAMINA for CC breaks?https://youtu.be/kJmpv0-t6-M
But remember, shield stacking isn't OP.
You dont play pve? How do you want sorc live without shield in pve? If I think for example nb is OP I don't go cretae topics with asking for nerfs.
Maybe I should?
NERF NB BECAUSE I WANT IT.0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ruikkarikun wrote: »Lol... these dudes defending Sorc still. It’s been that way since launch.
What other class can 1vX in the wide open, take zero damage, hit like a truck, sustain just as hardcore, and RESERVE ALL THEIR STAMINA for CC breaks?https://youtu.be/kJmpv0-t6-M
But remember, shield stacking isn't OP.
You dont play pve? How do you want sorc live without shield in pve? If I think for example nb is OP I don't go cretae topics with asking for nerfs.
Maybe I should?
NERF NB BECAUSE I WANT IT.
Harness magicka is the only shield you need in PvE. And Harness/Hardened + Healing Ward doesn't bother me because Healing Ward is situationally powerful (although with undeath it's too strong). The only gripe I have is Hardened Ward and Harness Magicka stacking. That's it.1 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hayden_Knight wrote: »Give rune cage to MagWarden
Change Arctic Blast to that
I'd be one happy MagDen 
"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
Tryxus - Guardian of the Green - Warden - PC/EU0 -
Gprime31✭✭✭✭Not sure where you play... but there are way more magdk than sorcs on vivec. Wings and undodgeable leaps. Dk is as hard as sorc nowadays.0
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