How Do You Measure Your DPS

Gandrhulf_Harbard · July 2018

There is ONLY one genuinely valid test of DPS:

Is the enemy dead before you are?
If Yes: you're doing enough.
If No: do more.

Simples.

All The Best

rumple9 · July 2018

I don't trust combat metrics. Several times I've seen it day I've done damage with skills I haven't even got equipped.

I see a lot of the "pro" streamers seem to use Recount but it takes up space on your screen unlike combat metrics

WrathOfInnos · July 2018

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

There is ONLY one genuinely valid test of DPS:

Is the enemy dead before you are?
If Yes: you're doing enough.
If No: do more.

Simples.

All The Best

4 tanks walk into a dungeon... 3 weeks later the last boss dies. No death achievement complete!

MLGProPlayer · July 2018

rumple9 wrote: »

I don't trust combat metrics. Several times I've seen it day I've done damage with skills I haven't even got equipped.

I see a lot of the "pro" streamers seem to use Recount but it takes up space on your screen unlike combat metrics

Combat Metrics uses the in-game API to determine what skills you used. It can't display false information. It only displays what the game engine has recorded.

Even the devs have said they use Combat Metrics when testing.

LordLomax · July 2018

How do you check your dps from target dummy on console as there is no add on ?

fioskal · July 2018

LordLomax wrote: »

How do you check your dps from target dummy on console as there is no add on ?

I believe it shows in your text/system chat what your DPS is.

At least it does on PC, without any addons activated.

LordLomax · July 2018

So make sure I have the text chat window on when using the target dummy ?

Drdeath20 · July 2018

Nestor wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Training Dummies do not reflect real world. They stand in one place and do not attack back. So you can stand in one plave and run a perfect rotation on them. So, sure you can pull high numbers.

In a dungeon, you spend, or should spend about half your time blocking, dodge rolling, moving around, getting position etc. So, your DPS is going to be lower.

When I heal and see a DPS just stand in one place like they are attacking a Training Dummy, I tend to forget to heal them.

Unless your in the few dungeons that have a DPS check, you dont really need to have super high levels to prevail, even if your going for Speed Runs. Although it can help come Vet Trials, and more so chasing Leaderboard times.

So, are the mobs dieing before you do? Your doing enough DPS for the content you are doing.

While i will aggree that hitting 50k dps on a dummy really does not translate to doing 50k dps on a boss it does however show that in optimum conditions, you have the right gear/rotation and skill to be an effective damage dealer.

Your assertation is that if you deal damage and things eventually die before you do that you are a damage dealer. This is wrong because tanks and healers could fall into that category. Just because you deal damage it does not make you a damage dealer. Que up as 1 and hope im not in your group. If we struggle by the 3rd trash mob you will be kicked. Sometimes even quicker

The Elitiism is strong with you. I will be doing so much DPS you wont have anything to target. So perhaps I will be kicking you. Or maybe I will just forget to heal you and you will leave the group...

Relax Clarence, you dont have to run every single thing in the game like its a Vet Trial and you want to be number 1 on the leaderboard.

I have a newborn and a 2 year old. I only get maybe 2 hours to plwiy a day. You best believe im not wasting it on vet fungal grotto 1 because your CP 69 character and your CP 80 friend are ready to deal damage in a vet dungeon with white mixed gear and heavy bow attacks. Nope. If you cant hit 20k dps on a target dummy, you are not a vet level damage dealer. Prove me wrong.

Raraaku · July 2018

Dummies are a nice litmus test about potential damage from a rotation, the test is done within an ideal environment with as much control over the variables as possible. Of course in a more dynamic setting, such as trials, where there are mechanics and AoEs to play around, for most players DPS will dip. If a player has been playing their build for a long time or have a good feel for their rotation then those factors won't disrupt the rotation much, if at all. However, for players, like me, who are either still getting used to a rotation or not used to playing the damage dealer role; they will have a harder (longer) time of recovering and get back into resuming their rotation, which of course dips DPS.

I personally don't put much stock into Dummy parses and don't care if you can hit 40k+ on a dummy; I'm more interested in how you are as a groupmate and if you can listen and communicate (if possible). But then again, I'm also a pretty casual player who is not interested in leaderboards and speed runs.

In general, I'd much rather take a player who can hit 25k within a Trial setting than a player who can hit 40k+ on a dummy.

Drdeath20 · July 2018

Ive been in dungeons where the damage dealers are soo bad that i actually learned that the 600k mini bosses have mechanics and thats after ive dropped 3 meteors on them that should do around 70k after 11 seconds.

FakeFox · July 2018

Nestor wrote: »

In a dungeon, you spend, or should spend about half your time blocking, dodge rolling, moving around, getting position etc. So, your DPS is going to be lower.

None of this should be a huge DPS loss as you should be able to continue most of your rotation while doing those things. Add in buffs and debuffs from your group and you should be doing more DPS then selfbuffed on a dummy.

blacksghost · July 2018

In teacups sadly rather than buckets.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · July 2018

if you kill the 6m dummy under 1 minute ur dps is good.

FakeFox · July 2018

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

if you kill the 6m dummy under 1 minute ur dps is good.

100k DPS, are you sure about that?

Nestor · July 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

In a dungeon, you spend, or should spend about half your time blocking, dodge rolling, moving around, getting position etc. So, your DPS is going to be lower.

None of this should be a huge DPS loss as you should be able to continue most of your rotation while doing those things. Add in buffs and debuffs from your group and you should be doing more DPS then selfbuffed on a dummy.

Huge? No. Significant, yes. Once your comfortable with the game, scooting and shooting is doable. And for some the differences are small.

Then again, this morning I was doing one of the WBs that bounces back and forth, and throws down lots of AoE. I was moving around avoiding damage (3 of us, no healer, pug) and chasing the boss around. I was thinking about this thread after.

Nestor · July 2018

Drdeath20 wrote: »

I have a newborn and a 2 year old. I only get maybe 2 hours to plwiy a day. You best believe im not wasting it on vet fungal grotto 1 because your CP 69 character and your CP 80 friend are ready to deal damage in a vet dungeon with white mixed gear and heavy bow attacks. Nope. If you cant hit 20k dps on a target dummy, you are not a vet level damage dealer. Prove me wrong.

When did I ever throw out DPS numbers? And, sure, the group you described above would suck. Has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

All I have said, is your going to have less DPS against a real Boss than you are against a Target Dummy, and why. And, if your doing the job is getting done, then your doing enough DPS. What ever that job is.

zaria · July 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

if you kill the 6m dummy under 1 minute ur dps is good.

100k DPS, are you sure about that?

He said then your dps is good who is correct.

You can also go into skyreach, pull and large group an bomb it. Look at combat metric: it shows your dps.
That number is also very nice

Runefang · July 2018

Nestor wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

I have a newborn and a 2 year old. I only get maybe 2 hours to plwiy a day. You best believe im not wasting it on vet fungal grotto 1 because your CP 69 character and your CP 80 friend are ready to deal damage in a vet dungeon with white mixed gear and heavy bow attacks. Nope. If you cant hit 20k dps on a target dummy, you are not a vet level damage dealer. Prove me wrong.

When did I ever throw out DPS numbers? And, sure, the group you described above would suck. Has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

All I have said, is your going to have less DPS against a real Boss than you are against a Target Dummy, and why. And, if your doing the job is getting done, then your doing enough DPS. What ever that job is.

While in some boss fight your dps is lower than against the dummy there aren't that many.

Mettaricana · July 2018

I feel like prrcursor is a cheat given how weak he is i hit about 35-40k on precursor but like 25k-30k on 3mil dummy

ZOS_JesC · July 2018

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TwiceBornStar · June 2021

Drdeath20 wrote: »

While i will aggree that hitting 50k dps on a dummy really does not translate to doing 50k dps on a boss it does however show that in optimum conditions, you have the right gear/rotation and skill to be an effective damage dealer.

Standing still isn't an ''optimum'' (optimal!) condition. Using Endless Hail or Caltrops on a boss that likes to move around a lot isn't part of a good rotation, and copying whatever META build you've been told to copy because it's supposedly ''the best'' isn't a sign of skill, creativity or intelligence. Quite the opposite.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Your assertation is that if you deal damage and things eventually die before you do that you are a damage dealer.

I'm pretty sure what Nestor meant is that when you survive fights as a group and deal with enemies in a reasonable amount of time, there's no reason to get all ''elitist'' and kick people.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

This is wrong because tanks and healers could fall into that category.

I'm pretty sure that if I created a damage dealer and use damage dealing skills, I'll still be doing way more damage than a Tank or a Healer, even if I did *everything* wrong.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Just because you deal damage it does not make you a damage dealer. Que up as 1 and hope im not in your group. If we struggle by the 3rd trash mob you will be kicked. Sometimes even quicker

If I'm in your group, I'm going to say nothing, I'm going to let you kick me and then put you on ignore. Life's more fun that way.

It's a game, not a job!

Gythral · June 2021

Does the mob die before me -
if yes I,m ok
if no look for more !

FantasticFreddie · June 2021

There is this pervasive idea that the amount of damage you can deal on a dummy is irrelevant because it's the mechanics that matter, and "I'd rather have a 30k dps that follows mechanics than an 80k that doesn't!"
But what if I told you
That people who devote their time in the game to chasing excellence make it their business to perform unavoidable mechanics during fights???
Just being realistic here. I've never once gone into a dungeon with a God tier dps and been like "wow they suck at mechanics, I sure wish I had a 20k dps in here."
That doesn't happen.
If they care so much about their dps numbers that they are willing to spend hours practicing, there is a 99% chance they are not going to throw that away by potato parsing in a dungeon or trial, dead dps do no damage, and the thing these guys like best is doing damage.
These extreme high dps players were all beginners once. They all had to learn how to play the game. Y'all like to think they spawn in doing 80k+, and therefore cannot possibly know mechanics or anything, and it just isn't true

Caligamy_ESO · June 2021

Literally anything other than those ridiculous Iron Atronach parses.

L_Nici · June 2021

Combat Metrics, because Dummies are way to inaccurate if they just give you every buff in the game even though realistically you won't have them all.

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome · June 2021

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Training Dummies do not reflect real world. They stand in one place and do not attack back. So you can stand in one plave and run a perfect rotation on them. So, sure you can pull high numbers.

In a dungeon, you spend, or should spend about half your time blocking, dodge rolling, moving around, getting position etc. So, your DPS is going to be lower.

When I heal and see a DPS just stand in one place like they are attacking a Training Dummy, I tend to forget to heal them.

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Your rundown is the most helpful thing I've read on this I'm going to refer back to it, brilliant!

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome · June 2021

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

There is ONLY one genuinely valid test of DPS:

Is the enemy dead before you are?
If Yes: you're doing enough.
If No: do more.

Simples.

All The Best

Not if it takes an hour you aren't

Dropstitch · June 2021

I spent 3 days killing the 6m dummy. I set up a little tent by my desk, got in a sleeping bag, stacked up my Dominos and set to work. On the third day I had it down to about 10% and then.... maintenance. I count that as a kill because it was nearly dead, and I only died twice.

zvavi · June 2021

necromancy....

Malkiv · June 2021

How many pages do you have to dig to find a corpse this old?