Passive mode

Mzhyde87 · July 2018

Due to the fact that there is pve content in a pvp zone, would it be possible to create a passive mode like GTA did? Where you are unable to hurt other players and they are unable to hurt you? I really want to do the quests in cyrodil, but every time I'm there I get snuck upon and killed and have to spend FOREVER running back to my quest. I eventually gave up.

Turelus · July 2018

It's been requested a few time but there doesn't seem much interest from ZOS because it goes against what the idea of the zone and the PvE there is.

The Cyrodiil quests are nothing fantastic story wise but if you're going for the achievements then you're best getting some basic PvP gear or working with some friends. It can actually be a lot of fun to do the quests and have a battle in the middle of them.

Jameliel · July 2018

I'd be cool with this if they also added certain areas around the overland where you could attack people trying to farm mats. Put more expensive mats there. Fair is fair.

Sparr0w · July 2018

Jameliel wrote: »

I'd be cool with this if they also added certain areas around the overland where you could attack people trying to farm mats. Put more expensive mats there. Fair is fair.

Craglorn.

JKorr · July 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

I'd be cool with this if they also added certain areas around the overland where you could attack people trying to farm mats. Put more expensive mats there. Fair is fair.

Craglorn.

No.

Unless they move/spread nirncrux to other areas. Exclusive crafting mats shouldn't be in pvp areas. People who want to farm in Cyrodiil can deal with the pvp. People who want to avoid pvp shouldn't be forced into it.

Sparr0w · July 2018

JKorr wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

I'd be cool with this if they also added certain areas around the overland where you could attack people trying to farm mats. Put more expensive mats there. Fair is fair.

Craglorn.

No.

Unless they move/spread nirncrux to other areas. Exclusive crafting mats shouldn't be in pvp areas. People who want to farm in Cyrodiil can deal with the pvp. People who want to avoid pvp shouldn't be forced into it.

Just an example of 'more expensive mats'. Do agree on zones which are PvE and PvP out of Cyrodiil tho.

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2018

If you weren't here last year; after the event is over they usually leave up the overflow servers for a month or two after the event. Nobody goes into them after the event is over, so they might as well be safe servers.

Honestly, you can do most of those on vivic and you might only have one or two encounters while clearing the achievement board, and even if you do bump into someone they are usually in a rush to get the same stuff done and will ingore you.

Almost all of the players are away from those hubs, they are zerging around together near the keeps and in the traffic corridors between them.

This information should give you some options should you not receive some kind of immunity to player interactions prior to the end of the event.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO · July 2018

Write down the Online IDs. When you meet them again in PvE, remind them and let them die while you drink from a chalice.
Seriously, go to a low populated Campaign at weird hours. You will be very likely alone. Or almost.

DuskMarine · July 2018

Turelus wrote: »

It's been requested a few time but there doesn't seem much interest from ZOS because it goes against what the idea of the zone and the PvE there is.

The Cyrodiil quests are nothing fantastic story wise but if you're going for the achievements then you're best getting some basic PvP gear or working with some friends. It can actually be a lot of fun to do the quests and have a battle in the middle of them.

id like to have it purely just while im doing the main quest in cyrodil(havent done it yet) then go back to normal cause you dont need it otherwise.

dtsharples · July 2018

The only issue with that, is that whole hordes of PVEers would then descend upon Cyrodiil which would:

a) Make lag even worse than it already is.
b) Possibly skew the population sizes one way or another, completely negating the recently added low population bonus.
c) It absolutely would be exploited somehow. Maybe 20 Non-Targetable human shields stacked in a stairway or breach or something equally as silly.

At present all you need to do to PVE in Cyrodiil is choose a quieter campaign as your Guest campaign.
Stay away from any keeps / outposts.
Avoid the direct routes between keeps / outposts as much as possible.
Be sure to sneak when you return to hand in a quest to avoid being seen by any enemy questers / people wishing to capture a town.
Also Invisibility potions are your friends

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2018

Mzhyde87 wrote: »

Due to the fact that there is pve content in a pvp zone, would it be possible to create a passive mode like GTA did? Where you are unable to hurt other players and they are unable to hurt you? I really want to do the quests in cyrodil, but every time I'm there I get snuck upon and killed and have to spend FOREVER running back to my quest. I eventually gave up.

Have you ever played GTA? Passive mode may as well be called griefer mode. It’s so exploitable it’s silly. Just man up and play.

DuskMarine · July 2018

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Mzhyde87 wrote: »

Due to the fact that there is pve content in a pvp zone, would it be possible to create a passive mode like GTA did? Where you are unable to hurt other players and they are unable to hurt you? I really want to do the quests in cyrodil, but every time I'm there I get snuck upon and killed and have to spend FOREVER running back to my quest. I eventually gave up.

Have you ever played GTA? Passive mode may as well be called griefer mode. It’s so exploitable it’s silly. Just man up and play.

you can still hit the passive players with cars >_>

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Mzhyde87 wrote: »

Due to the fact that there is pve content in a pvp zone, would it be possible to create a passive mode like GTA did? Where you are unable to hurt other players and they are unable to hurt you? I really want to do the quests in cyrodil, but every time I'm there I get snuck upon and killed and have to spend FOREVER running back to my quest. I eventually gave up.

Have you ever played GTA? Passive mode may as well be called griefer mode. It’s so exploitable it’s silly. Just man up and play.

you can still hit the passive players with cars >_>

True. And they can still lock you inside of a store by parking their car in the doors as their friend shoots a rocket into the place.

First rule of internet gaming ... if it can be exploited it will be exploited.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2018

Cyrodiil could be ruined simply by 20 people in passive mode standing on a keep flag.

DuskMarine · July 2018

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Mzhyde87 wrote: »

Due to the fact that there is pve content in a pvp zone, would it be possible to create a passive mode like GTA did? Where you are unable to hurt other players and they are unable to hurt you? I really want to do the quests in cyrodil, but every time I'm there I get snuck upon and killed and have to spend FOREVER running back to my quest. I eventually gave up.

Have you ever played GTA? Passive mode may as well be called griefer mode. It’s so exploitable it’s silly. Just man up and play.

you can still hit the passive players with cars >_>

True. And they can still lock you inside of a store by parking their car in the doors as their friend shoots a rocket into the place.

First rule of internet gaming ... if it can be exploited it will be exploited.

yea but on here i dont think youd be able to exploit it. cant block anything as theres no collision on us. only real thing you could do is sit and look at them the second you pop outta passive your dead. so it really isnt that big of a thing.

Astrid · July 2018

No.

This would enable easy spying - it’s already rife no thanks.

DuskMarine · July 2018

Astrid wrote: »

No.

This would enable easy spying - it’s already rife no thanks.

how would this enable easy spying when the only pve area in pvp is imperial city?

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Astrid wrote: »

No.

This would enable easy spying - it’s already rife no thanks.

how would this enable easy spying when the only pve area in pvp is imperial city?

Huh?

How about all 3 towns, the multiple small villages, and every keep/resource that is loaded with NPCs?

Davor · July 2018

While I don't like heading to Cyrodill all I can do is thank Zenimax at least what 98% of the game is PvE and don't have to be worried about ganking or what not and just enjoy playing the game.

It could be worse. Black Desert Online is manadatory PvP after level 50 (or what ever level it is.) So while before the level threshold it's pure PvE I believe but after it's 100% PvP then.

So let the people who want PvP let them have what little they have. Be grateful for what lots we have and not what we don't have.

Does it suck not being able to do the 2%? Yes but be grateful that we can do the 98% the way we ant.

DuskMarine · July 2018

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Astrid wrote: »

No.

This would enable easy spying - it’s already rife no thanks.

how would this enable easy spying when the only pve area in pvp is imperial city?

Huh?

How about all 3 towns, the multiple small villages, and every keep/resource that is loaded with NPCs?

cyrodil is the prime pvp zone its not a pve zone. your pve zone in cyrodil is imperial city everything outside of that is purely pvp. the only one that you can make use of passive mode would be ic because thats the only real pve zone in cyrodil.

LadyLavina · July 2018

Mzhyde87 wrote: »

Due to the fact that there is pve content in a pvp zone, would it be possible to create a passive mode like GTA did? Where you are unable to hurt other players and they are unable to hurt you? I really want to do the quests in cyrodil, but every time I'm there I get snuck upon and killed and have to spend FOREVER running back to my quest. I eventually gave up.

No, because it would be abused. (Even if there was a cooldown on turning it off/on)

DuskMarine · July 2018

LadyLavina wrote: »

Mzhyde87 wrote: »

Due to the fact that there is pve content in a pvp zone, would it be possible to create a passive mode like GTA did? Where you are unable to hurt other players and they are unable to hurt you? I really want to do the quests in cyrodil, but every time I'm there I get snuck upon and killed and have to spend FOREVER running back to my quest. I eventually gave up.

No, because it would be abused. (Even if there was a cooldown on turning it off/on)

if they tied it purely to ic it would be abuseable cause theres nothing in there you can actually abuse

Jimmy · July 2018

I'm not a PvP player, never got into it. But my time doing quests in Cyrodiil were always extremely engaging, challenging, and fun due to the fact that the danger is real. The human factor was thrilling. To sneak around, hide, it was a legit role play scenario. Instead of just steam rolling thru PvE overland content outside Cyrodiil. If you take it for what it is, evolve your gameplay a bit to adapt to the atmosphere, I guarantee it will be extremely fun.

Soella · July 2018

I would expect much unexpected problems and bad effects for true PvPers because of passive mode as well as possible side effects - for example, ability to do scout quests and earn AP.

I think much cleaner solution would be to have one "PVE only" campaign, where it is impossible to earn any AP and drop rate for telvars is like 5 times less than in normal campaigns.

DuskMarine · July 2018

Jimmy wrote: »

I'm not a PvP player, never got into it. But my time doing quests in Cyrodiil were always extremely engaging, challenging, and fun due to the fact that the danger is real. The human factor was thrilling. To sneak around, hide, it was a legit role play scenario. Instead of just steam rolling thru PvE overland content outside Cyrodiil. If you take it for what it is, evolve your gameplay a bit to adapt to the atmosphere, I guarantee it will be extremely fun.

its fun till you have a boss you gotta kill and someone comes up with a nuker build. but i for one can support a passive mode in imperial city cause ive never experienced the actual story mode in there.

TheCyberDruid · July 2018

It could be a 'passive' campaign which would eliminate most of the counter arguments. Just saying...

Nestor · July 2018

Most of the times I have been in Cyrodiil for PvE I rarely if ever see another faction. And the few times I have, they leave well enough alone. Also, holding block is the "I mean you no harm" signal. Not always heeded, but more often than not they will leave you alone.

But, when you are over there, pay attention to the map, if you see a keep being attacked in one area, PVE in another. If you need to go by an owned keep, make a big circle, avoid the "borders" between different factions and you will avoid most of the fuss.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Astrid wrote: »

No.

This would enable easy spying - it’s already rife no thanks.

how would this enable easy spying when the only pve area in pvp is imperial city?

Huh?

How about all 3 towns, the multiple small villages, and every keep/resource that is loaded with NPCs?

cyrodil is the prime pvp zone its not a pve zone. your pve zone in cyrodil is imperial city everything outside of that is purely pvp. the only one that you can make use of passive mode would be ic because thats the only real pve zone in cyrodil.

It’s obvious that you don’t go to Cyrodiil very often so let me elaborate. Do you know what many solo end game players do in Cyrodiil when they want to help with the campaign? They solo resources. It’s literally PVE.

You simply have an opinion. If you want to finish the IC story just craft a bunch of invisibility potions.

Also, here is just one of many ways you can exploit the IC. Farm Telvar uninterrupted, trade Telvar for ingredient satchels, sell ingredients. You could have hundreds of Columbine in just an hour or two if you didn’t need to worry about gankers.

There are THOUSANDS of other ways to cheese the system in the IC if a passive mode was implemented. At the end of the day you just gotta learn to play better.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · July 2018

Nestor wrote: »

Most of the times I have been in Cyrodiil for PvE I rarely if ever see another faction. And the few times I have, they leave well enough alone. Also, holding block is the "I mean you no harm" signal. Not always heeded, but more often than not they will leave you alone.

But, when you are over there, pay attention to the map, if you see a keep being attacked in one area, PVE in another. If you need to go by an owned keep, make a big circle, avoid the "borders" between different factions and you will avoid most of the fuss.

I never search out fights off the radar but if you’re holding block in front of me as I go from point A to point B it’s on. Haha. Free AP is free AP.

My favorite is when I see a bunch of lowbies huddling up like refugees. I’ll usually send an ice comet at them while yelling “but I’m only here for vigor” into my headset.

AlnilamE · July 2018

DuskMarine wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

It's been requested a few time but there doesn't seem much interest from ZOS because it goes against what the idea of the zone and the PvE there is.

The Cyrodiil quests are nothing fantastic story wise but if you're going for the achievements then you're best getting some basic PvP gear or working with some friends. It can actually be a lot of fun to do the quests and have a battle in the middle of them.

id like to have it purely just while im doing the main quest in cyrodil(havent done it yet) then go back to normal cause you dont need it otherwise.

There is no main quest. There are repeatable quests in 5 town hubs. There are scattered quests around the map that lead you to said town hubs. That's it.

Unless you mean Imperial City.

I've done them when the map was completely hostile. The only complication now are the flags in towns, which attract players.

You could also group with a few friends and focus on a couple of towns at a time. I've done that several times with guildies.

DuskMarine · July 2018

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Astrid wrote: »

No.

This would enable easy spying - it’s already rife no thanks.

how would this enable easy spying when the only pve area in pvp is imperial city?

Huh?

How about all 3 towns, the multiple small villages, and every keep/resource that is loaded with NPCs?

cyrodil is the prime pvp zone its not a pve zone. your pve zone in cyrodil is imperial city everything outside of that is purely pvp. the only one that you can make use of passive mode would be ic because thats the only real pve zone in cyrodil.

It’s obvious that you don’t go to Cyrodiil very often so let me elaborate. Do you know what many solo end game players do in Cyrodiil when they want to help with the campaign? They solo resources. It’s literally PVE.

You simply have an opinion. If you want to finish the IC story just craft a bunch of invisibility potions.

Also, here is just one of many ways you can exploit the IC. Farm Telvar uninterrupted, trade Telvar for ingredient satchels, sell ingredients. You could have hundreds of Columbine in just an hour or two if you didn’t need to worry about gankers.

There are THOUSANDS of other ways to cheese the system in the IC if a passive mode was implemented. At the end of the day you just gotta learn to play better.

cyrodil isnt a pve zone its pvp the resources you take as a pvp advantage making it pvp not pve(as the npcs just die like tissue paper anyhow) plus there are no bosses no pve objective so on and so forth. ic that would be the whole point which doesnt make telvar farming an exploit at all(as people sell telvar anyhow regardless of if this became a thing) and invis pots yea dont help at all when you have to kill something......right. but i go into pvp quite alot but i actually pvp going towards chalman or nikel to get roebeck and running into red and yellow walls. i go to ic with my guild to roll telvar runs alot as well and the only real pve area in there is imperial city.