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Templar Questions

Revi_Nightfire
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After hitting CP160 as a Templar, what two 5 piece sets/2 piece monster set are the best to use until CP300 for Tanking. I've seen the post 300 optimum builds for trials but just wondering what should be used in the interim. I really appreciate the input!
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Reroll as a dk or warden for tanking or become a healer like temps are supposed to be, per zos.

    Edit: in the case it wasn't clear, /s.
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 17, 2018 4:52AM
  • Revi_Nightfire
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    I know you said /s, I suppose because I'm new to the class and you're referencing something that ZOS has done to the class I don't know how seriously to take that. I guess to be more clear, is the state of Templar tanking so bad that I am advised to roll a different role? or is it just that there not as optimal and the others due to changes ZOS has made? Appreciate the responses again.
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    I know you said /s, I suppose because I'm new to the class and you're referencing something that ZOS has done to the class I don't know how seriously to take that. I guess to be more clear, is the state of Templar tanking so bad that I am advised to roll a different role? or is it just that there not as optimal and the others due to changes ZOS has made? Appreciate the responses again.

    Templars only way to get Stam back while blocking, repentance, is tied to dead bodys and stamplar DPS need to repentance as well, repentance can only be use one per dead body, and only gives stam back to the player who casted the skill. That is what makes dk and wardens the best tanks in the game, dks have battle roar, which gives resources on ulti use and helping hands, which gives stam for using a magic ablity. Wardens have the bull netch, which is free and gives stam back and and a natures gift, which gives stam or mag back when an ally is healed with a green balance heal. Those skills/passives are the biggest reason that wardens and dks are simply better then the rest of the classes at tanking. Repentance use to give Stam back to everyone healed by the cast, they made it so that does not happen and killed the skill for healers and tanks.

    But all that said, you can tank pretty much everything in the game just fine as a temp, it is just vet trials that will give you problems, if you are good enough.

    To directly answer your question in the op, just get the gear that is recommended in those post 300cp builds, they are relatively easy to get, I don't know what builds you have seen but most tanks builds have ebon/alkosh/lord warden as a base and then other sets if they are not main tank. Ebon comes from an easily farm dungeon, crypt if hearts, and alkosh can be farmed from nmaw, blue jewelry is fine. vICP can be a pain but you will be fine.






    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 17, 2018 5:53AM
  • Hotdog_23
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    Be a magic based Templar tank. Only use stamina really for blocking. Not the most effective but you can do all the dungeons on vet hard mode with a little practice. I have even seen them in normal trials like CR as the sole tank on normal, but that one was stamina based.

    The added benefit is you can just switch gear and do fair dps for placing like Direfrost keep and questing. I don't change my cp at all I just leave it the same for tanking and not dps.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Hotdog_23 wrote: »
    Be a magic based Templar tank. Only use stamina really for blocking. Not the most effective but you can do all the dungeons on vet hard mode with a little practice. I have even seen them in normal trials like CR as the sole tank on normal, but that one was stamina based.

    The added benefit is you can just switch gear and do fair dps for placing like Direfrost keep and questing. I don't change my cp at all I just leave it the same for tanking and not dps.

    Tanks are basically what you are saying though, they use magic for utility and Stam for blocking. Though in the case of not dk/wardens, you need to use silver leash and that is Stam. Otherwise heroic slash and Pierce armor are likely the only 2 Stam skills on your bar.

    Not knowing what the ops set up looks like at all, these are the skills I would run if I was a tankplar-

    Front bar s/b

    Abosrb magic- radiant ward- repentance(switch out for deep thoughts if playing with a stamplar or bad healer)- heroic slash- pierce armor- ulti empowering sweep/shield discipline

    Back bar s/b, maybe ice/lighting staff

    Silver leash, time freeze/wall of elements(if staff), luminous shards, power of the light, channeled focus (if using staff)/restoring focus- ulti warhorn

    This has everything you need.
  • Hotdog_23
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    Hotdog_23 wrote: »
    Be a magic based Templar tank. Only use stamina really for blocking. Not the most effective but you can do all the dungeons on vet hard mode with a little practice. I have even seen them in normal trials like CR as the sole tank on normal, but that one was stamina based.

    The added benefit is you can just switch gear and do fair dps for placing like Direfrost keep and questing. I don't change my cp at all I just leave it the same for tanking and not dps.

    Tanks are basically what you are saying though, they use magic for utility and Stam for blocking. Though in the case of not dk/wardens, you need to use silver leash and that is Stam. Otherwise heroic slash and Pierce armor are likely the only 2 Stam skills on your bar.

    Not knowing what the ops set up looks like at all, these are the skills I would run if I was a tankplar-

    Front bar s/b

    Abosrb magic- radiant ward- repentance(switch out for deep thoughts if playing with a stamplar or bad healer)- heroic slash- pierce armor- ulti empowering sweep/shield discipline

    Back bar s/b, maybe ice/lighting staff

    Silver leash, time freeze/wall of elements(if staff), luminous shards, power of the light, channeled focus (if using staff)/restoring focus- ulti warhorn

    This has everything you need.

    I must Admit I have not used my Templar tank since summerset but I basically I have the same setup as you have listed except I don't slot absorb magic but ritual of retribution to help my own heals and melee players. On the back bar I slot BOL and did not use Silver leash since it did not pull enemies to you at that time.

    That said the only real problem my build would have now is the silver leash since I only had like 16 -17k stamina and silver leash is only a stamina use outside of heroic slash and Pierce armor If they would let it use magic like a DK then that would be awesome.

    As a side I would add that with the changes coming to channeled focus/restoring focus. I may drop lord warden and use a different monster helm.

  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    That said the only real problem my build would have now is the silver leash since I only had like 16 -17k stamina and silver leash is only a stamina use outside of heroic slash and Pierce armor If they would let it use magic like a DK then that would be awesome

    Pull->taunt-> heavy attack. That is what do on both my tanks, granted that is with chains/Device and those are magic but with my warden tank, he only has 10k Stam. So I feel your Stam crunch issues.

    On swapping out absorb, absorb is really only great on a couple bosses, mainly lord warden, so I would do what you are saying there, except I would use extended ritual, save magic by not casting as much as it lasts twice as long, your damage with retribution is going to be nonexistant anyways.

    I suppose power of the light is Stam too but you need that for the minor debuffs uptime, even with a stamplar in the group they are not 100% and for the ulti regen every 6 seconds.

    Pleadr don't use chudan. It is so selfish. Use sentinel of rkugams, it will proc and help you witll Stam and any DPS near you. Restoring focus will be worth using if the changes go through, 8% more healing received and minor protection that you can stack with major if you use deep thoughts will be worth using.

    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 17, 2018 7:22AM
  • Hotdog_23
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    I can tell I have not played my tankplar in awhile I forgot about power of the light which I use unless their a stamplar in the group using it.

    The reason I use ritual of retribution over extended is it does decent damage since I have over 30k magic and it helps when I am questing and not tanking. The magic cost is manageable.

    I have never used chudan on any tank build, your right it is very selfish. Never used Sentinel of Rkugamz Set mainly used Blood spawn on my DK and Warden or the Chokethorn/Shadowrend combo. But I believe I will try Sentinel of Rkugamz just to see what I think or it when the changes to channeled focus/restoring focus takes effect.
  • Revi_Nightfire
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    Thanks for the awesome and insightful responses Lightspeed and Hotdog, I appreciate you letting me know what I'm getting into and for the gear recommendations as well as the tank bar recommendation.

    Fair Travels :)
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  • Narvuntien
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    I am running Ebon and Dragongaurd and Shadowrend. I wanted a nice amount of magicka regen and shadowrend means I don't have to run heroic slash to save stam for silver leash. (Make up for the lack of heroism with dragongaurd)

    I have seen Bands of Imperium, Ebon, Lord warden.. basically stacking Hp scaling shields then you can put cp points into bastion to improve your sun shield. Its the less selfish version of the blazing shield version of tankplar.

    Many people also like swarm mother to pull all the trash together but I think the silver leach changes are good for us.
    Edited by Narvuntien on July 17, 2018 8:09AM
  • Tasear
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    Reroll as a dk or warden for tanking or become a healer like temps are supposed to be, per zos.

    Edit: in the case it wasn't clear, /s.

    Level up advisor offers a build for tanking for each class.
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Reroll as a dk or warden for tanking or become a healer like temps are supposed to be, per zos.

    Edit: in the case it wasn't clear, /s.

    Level up advisor offers a build for tanking for each class.

    I am aware. They need to give each class a comparable in class way to regen Stam while blocking. Zos has been quite proactive with helping the other classes besides dk and wardens, I will say that, see time stop and silver leash, those two skills are great and make up for not having a dk or warden tank. Repentance is just a huge pain point to me and they have done nothing about it.
  • raj72616a
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    i put 64 points in stamina, use engine guardian + leeching plate + defending warrior sets when tanking norm trials.

    perma blocking is impossible for templar tanks so we have to drop block and heavy attack often, hence those self healing sets in my build. we need the pvp skill vigor for self healing too. templar can stack restoring focus, psijic major protection passive, and empowering sweep, for a hell lot of damage reduction, so i guess dropping block isnt a terribly risky thing.

    when i start, i use Pariah set for higher resistance, and Whitestrake set for the emergency damage shield. those are cheap and easy to get.

  • Sparr0w
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    Ebon & Alkosh is the meta setup. Can run Torugs until you get alkosh with infused crusher enchant on weapon.

    Monster sets you can use any really, most use lord warden, however I prefer to mix 2x mag recovery pieces.

    I like to also go infused big pieces (head, chest, legs, shield) sturdy small pieces so I have nice stat pools (38k health, 24k mag/stam) with 1x recovery and 2x block reduction on jewellery.

    Note that physical and spell resistance are capped at 33k, so try to get near to this without going over. I personally sit at 27k but I know tanks that will get to the 32/33k mark before anything else.

    Also sustain can be hard on a templar as said above. I'd recommend going argonian for the potion passive and/or running meditate from the psijic skill line. Otherwise you can roll a DK/Warden/NB as all have great sustain.
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  • SilverWF
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    For tanking, pretty easy to get sets are: Ebon and Plague Doctor - easy tanking in the any dungeon.
    Also, max gear lvl is cp160, so less likely you would need to change your gear at cp300 or at any other level.
    All depends on your money pool (readiness to improve your gear rarity and traits) and your luck in getting to trials to obtain some very good PVE tanking sets from there
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