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Finally got my Tank to 50 and have some questions.

BozzyTheDrummer
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Hey all,

I have finally got my Tank to level 50 and I am loving it. I have never played a support character until now, and it's fun so far. He is a vampire Argonian and he is a pure Tank with very little DPS.

I have some questions about rotations and how to better manage my resources so I am not always depleting my magicka/stamina

I am currently following @Alcast build, the "Catalyst" Tank. I am cp 377 (or close to that, I cannot remember)

Here is what both bars look like

Main Bar (S&B)
Green Dragonblood, Absorb Magic, Pierce Armor, Igneous Shield, Baleful Mist (I don't have Balance yet) / Magma Shell ultimate

Back Bar (S&B)
Choking Talons, Heroic Slash, Inner Rage, Unrelenting Grip, Flame Lash (I do not have Energy Orb yet) / Aggressive Warhorn ultimate

I am following the skills and champion point slots pretty close to his build with the CP's that I have available.

I have a full set of Ebon Armory gear. Jelwelry right now is random jewelry with health enchants.

Per his build, I am going to look for Alkosh jewelry and also work for the Lord Warden monster set, but don't think I am ready to take this guy into vICP just yet.

My question is, what would my rotation be with these skills? I am used to DPS so I have a habit of cycling through my skills quickly and run out of resources. How should I properly utilize these skills/rotation to be an effective tank?
Xbox NA
CP810+

Valthyr Alynwen High Elf MagSorc EP
Valeon Indoril Dark Elf MagDK EP
Willard Lorrthane Breton MagDen EP
Faelian Elilanar High Elf MagPlar EP
Dro'Kassa Khajiit MagCro EP
Im-Tanky-Enough Argonian Tank EP
Lorgdan Bladesmith Orc StamBlade DC
Cyrus Hayle Redguard StamSorc EP
Xuxtheem-Light-Bearer Argonian Healer AD
Galen Morthain Dark Elf MagBlade EP
Burgesh the Mighty Orc StamDen DC
Mekar the Vile Orc StamCro DC

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  • Sparr0w
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    Just apply on cooldown & taunt every 10 seconds (major breach/fracture doesn't last the full 15 seconds). Keep in mind that block drops for a second when you swap bars so it's fine to recast a little early or let it drop off should the boss be winding a heavy attack.

    Also the passive from earthen heart called 'helping hands' restores resources when you use a skill from that skill line.

    If you've got ebon jewellery I'd look into crafting a set of torugs & go infused weapons, it's like 300 difference between this and alkosh which isn't much at all.

    I personally run 2x mag recovery monster sets (e.g. chokethorn) as I'm in the same boat of coming from a DD character, or 1pc mag recovery 1pc resistances.
    Edited by Sparr0w on July 16, 2018 3:28PM
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
    PC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
  • BozzyTheDrummer
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    Sparr0w wrote: »
    Just apply on cooldown & taunt every 10 seconds (major breach/fracture doesn't last the full 15 seconds). Keep in mind that block drops for a second when you swap bars so it's fine to recast a little early or let it drop off should the boss be winding a heavy attack.

    Also the passive from earthen heart called 'helping hands' restores resources when you use a skill from that skill line.

    If you've got ebon jewellery I'd look into crafting a set of torugs & go infused weapons, it's like 300 difference between this and alkosh which isn't much at all.

    I personally run 2x mag recovery monster sets (e.g. chokethorn) as I'm in the same boat of coming from a DD character, or 1pc mag recovery 1pc resistances.

    Thanks for your response! I’m new to tanking endgame content so it’s a little more of a challenge when in a PUG group. So i’ll Need to pay more attention to the timers on my buffs/skills I assume? And just apply accordingly so my resources don’t poof away?
    Xbox NA
    CP810+

    Valthyr Alynwen High Elf MagSorc EP
    Valeon Indoril Dark Elf MagDK EP
    Willard Lorrthane Breton MagDen EP
    Faelian Elilanar High Elf MagPlar EP
    Dro'Kassa Khajiit MagCro EP
    Im-Tanky-Enough Argonian Tank EP
    Lorgdan Bladesmith Orc StamBlade DC
    Cyrus Hayle Redguard StamSorc EP
    Xuxtheem-Light-Bearer Argonian Healer AD
    Galen Morthain Dark Elf MagBlade EP
    Burgesh the Mighty Orc StamDen DC
    Mekar the Vile Orc StamCro DC

    "Fimmion hungry. Want sweetroll. Fimmion like pants. Love sweetroll."
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    If you're having resource issue, you're probably overcasting.

    Let your taunts and debuffs run out, or close to it. Get some heavy attacks in between big hits, and remember you don't have to permablock once you identify the blank spots.

    Atronach mundus will help, as will sturdy gear and block cost redux enchantments.

    I'd be reserved with Baleful Mist (Evasive would benefit you more) and Flame Lash shouldn't really be necessary in most cases. You won't be doing large damage, and your heals should be coming from your healer, your potions, GDB when necessary, and resource return from Ult.

    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

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  • Sparr0w
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    Sparr0w wrote: »
    Just apply on cooldown & taunt every 10 seconds (major breach/fracture doesn't last the full 15 seconds). Keep in mind that block drops for a second when you swap bars so it's fine to recast a little early or let it drop off should the boss be winding a heavy attack.

    Also the passive from earthen heart called 'helping hands' restores resources when you use a skill from that skill line.

    If you've got ebon jewellery I'd look into crafting a set of torugs & go infused weapons, it's like 300 difference between this and alkosh which isn't much at all.

    I personally run 2x mag recovery monster sets (e.g. chokethorn) as I'm in the same boat of coming from a DD character, or 1pc mag recovery 1pc resistances.

    Thanks for your response! I’m new to tanking endgame content so it’s a little more of a challenge when in a PUG group. So i’ll Need to pay more attention to the timers on my buffs/skills I assume? And just apply accordingly so my resources don’t poof away?

    Yep, admittedly I do over cast a bit, but most of the time you can weave in a heavy attack with a skill to get your resources back. Plus argonians can pop a potion and be back to full resources.

    You can mostly time everything from the debuff placed on the enemy, if you get a rotation to go through every time you need to taunt that should be fine, the rest of the time either heavy attack or block this sort of makes it a DPS rotation but without the spammable ;)

    Also look into your skills to see which ones are 'priority' and which wont be needed all the time, I form the rotation on taunt, buff resistances, buff group then the healing etc is applied when needed.

    I can only give generic info tho since I run a NB tank when tanking... my DK is still levelling.
    Edited by Sparr0w on July 16, 2018 3:38PM
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
    PC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    It takes a while to find the rhythm of it. Bear in mind you'll also usually have support from heals (orbs/shards), etc.

    Worst case scenario, if you lose taunt for a second, bar swap, inner fire, and as you were.

    Argonian will definitely give you a boost in this area.

    If you were on PC, I'd recommend Untaunted. Since you're on console, you'll have to watch for the icon or use your other skills to help time taunts. (Two igneous, for instance, will give you back stam and be up when ready for retaunt)

    (Seems it's time for a new keyboard. ASDW seem to be a bit less responsive. I wonder why?)
    Edited by Merlin13KAGL on July 16, 2018 3:42PM
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

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  • BozzyTheDrummer
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    If you're having resource issue, you're probably overcasting.

    Let your taunts and debuffs run out, or close to it. Get some heavy attacks in between big hits, and remember you don't have to permablock once you identify the blank spots.

    Atronach mundus will help, as will sturdy gear and block cost redux enchantments.

    I'd be reserved with Baleful Mist (Evasive would benefit you more) and Flame Lash shouldn't really be necessary in most cases. You won't be doing large damage, and your heals should be coming from your healer, your potions, GDB when necessary, and resource return from Ult.

    This seems to be my issue as of now. I've actually been having to make myself aware that I am doing this, kind of a hard habit to break. I feel like I should be doing more, end ultimately end up shooting myself in the foot when I am drained of resources.

    I tanked through my first vet dungeon on this character as soon as I hit 50. It was crypt of hearts. I have blazed through it on my sorc, but on my tank it was slightly different as I'm not used to support roles. At the start, I was overcasting and ran out a few times. Felt kind of dumb, but towards the end, we did hard mode, and I seemed to get a good rhythm down and managed to keep the ilambris twins focused on me 90% of the time.

    I can create tri-stat potions on my crafter, but theyre not as powerful as I want as I am still leveling alchemy on that toon, but I do have cp 160 tri-stat food that is helping.
    Xbox NA
    CP810+

    Valthyr Alynwen High Elf MagSorc EP
    Valeon Indoril Dark Elf MagDK EP
    Willard Lorrthane Breton MagDen EP
    Faelian Elilanar High Elf MagPlar EP
    Dro'Kassa Khajiit MagCro EP
    Im-Tanky-Enough Argonian Tank EP
    Lorgdan Bladesmith Orc StamBlade DC
    Cyrus Hayle Redguard StamSorc EP
    Xuxtheem-Light-Bearer Argonian Healer AD
    Galen Morthain Dark Elf MagBlade EP
    Burgesh the Mighty Orc StamDen DC
    Mekar the Vile Orc StamCro DC

    "Fimmion hungry. Want sweetroll. Fimmion like pants. Love sweetroll."
  • Asardes
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    If you don't have Balance yet:
    1) Use Volatile Armor to get Major Resolve & Ward
    2) Build towards high magica recovery by using Atronach mundus and Chockethorn + Shadowrend.
    This is also a good solution when running w/o healer or with a bad one.

    One skill I would recommend is Green Dragon Blood. As for shields, Igneous is not that good anymore since the atrength for the group shield has been halved, and post Summerset I have actually changed to Fragmented for the extended Major Mending. Also there is no way you can sustain Energy Orb w/o balance, and there is no reason for the tank to run it - it's the healer's. You can use that as flex spot to run skills like Efficient Purge, Retreating Manouver or Overflowing Altar.
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  • Nestor
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    Once you learn to slow your roll, resource management is not hard on tanks. I have tanked in pugs in vet dungeons for 30 minutes on a boss, more than once. Never ran out resources. Keep Tripots handy and between the Heavy Armor and the Argonian passives, you can almost fully restore in a single potion. If you ever need it.

    Woeler has an excellent tank guide from beginning to end game, find his site and study it.
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  • Sparr0w
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    Agree with the above woeler.eu is your go to place for beginner tanking.

    Also I'd carry both trash health/mag/stam pots as well as tri-stat pots. Most of the time trash pots will get you thru it, yes even in Vet trials ;)
    Edited by Sparr0w on July 16, 2018 4:18PM
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
    PC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    When you're first learning, your primary focus is going to be keeping taunt on the boss, and not dying. That's it.

    As you improve, you'll be able to pull in more adds, time other skills, reposition things, help with rez's, etc.

    But initially, you're going to be semi-bored, and that's ok. Also, don't worry about the disdain for 'selfish sets,' while you're learning. When you advance your skill and your survivabilty, you can advance your set options.

    No doubt it's different from the tank perspective. A lot of healers and more DPS never get to experience it, so they don't know when it's hard, and often don't appreciate it when you make it look easy.

    I'm a firm believer that everyone should do every role at least once. Gives you a whole new appreciation for the other roles and you'll do things to make their life easier. As a result, your total group play experience will improve dramatically.

    Get used to the Vet dungeons, practice on normal if you need to. Then move on to the DLC's which take it up a notch. When you're done there, you can try trials tanking and (initially) get your ass handed to you on a whole new level.

    Each of these things will improve your skills, and humble you in the process. ;)
    I can create tri-stat potions on my crafter, but theyre not as powerful as I want as I am still leveling alchemy on that toon, but I do have cp 160 tri-stat food that is helping.
    You can probably get away with trash pots for many encounters, picking the one that you need the most in a given setting.

    Something to bear in mind, as an Argonian, every pot is a tri-pot. (Resourceful). And tri-pots become supercharged.

    Last thing, where possible, I try to have a couple copies of jewelry, usually one with Block cost reduction, and the other with Mag Recovery. You can swap out one or more pieces as needed to help your resources level out based on the fight.

    Absorb Magic is good, but not always necessary - it works out to be the equivalent of a single piece of sturdy armor, basically. Everything doesn't have to be perfect trait, but try to pick traits that benefit. Divines, infused, sturdy, even well fitted will work as worthy substitutes until you have the trait you want.

    Anyway, welcome and good luck. There are lots of tanks out there. There are far fewer good ones! You're well on your way.

    EDIT: One last thing, don't forget to Heavy attack, don't forget you can dodge multiple hits, and sometimes you can simply move. (reposition). It's easy, at first, to go into perma-block tunnel vision. ;)

    Edited by Merlin13KAGL on July 16, 2018 4:23PM
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

    IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.
    I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
    Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS
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