What is the exact speed cap?

elijafire · July 2018

With the introduction of the new "Swift" trait on Jewelry I think its time we figured this out once and for all, I've read several threads on this and here are my conclusions. Please correct me if you KNOW something please state your source or if its just anecdotal.

In the past people abused a bug between two sets that allowed people to sneak at 200% which was faster than a fully trained sprinting mount. ZoS decided to not only fix the sets but nerf character speed by putting a cap on it. What is this cap?

Edit: What I have learned so far.

"Movement Speed" means Ground Speeds only
"Mounted Speed" is evident

Movement Speed Unmodified

Stealth - 80%
Walking -40%
Running 100%
Sprinting + 40% (This counts towards the 200% cap)
Mount Walking -65%
Mounted + 15%
Mount Sprint +65%

Movement Speed Modifiers (All Multiplicative except sprint which is Additive)

Minor Expedition: +10% (Ground Movement Speed only)
Major Expedition: +30% (Ground Movement Speed only)

Major Gallop: +30% (Mounted Movement Speed only)
Minor Gallop:??

Unique buffs include:

Windrunning: +2%

The Steed: +5- ? (based upon all gold Divines including shield it can get up to 8%)
Swift Jewelry Trait: +6-10% (based on the quality of the Jewelry)
Orc: +10% (Sprint Only)

Cyrodiil's Ward: +15% (3pc Armor Mount Movement Speed only)

GimpyPorcupine · July 2018

Minor Expedition is +10%

Koolio · July 2018

elijafire wrote: »

With the introduction of the new "Swift" trait on Jewelry I think its time we figured this out once and for all, I've read several threads on this and here are my conclusions. Please correct me if you KNOW something please state your source or if its just anecdotal.

In the past people abused a bug between two sets that allowed people to sneak at 200% which was faster than a fully trained sprinting mount. ZoS decided to not only fix the sets but nerf character speed by putting a cap on it. What is this cap?

afaik we have:

Sneak Speed
Walking/Running Speed
Spring Speed
Mounted Speed

Buffs:

Minor Expedition: +15% (Ground Movement Speed only)
Major Expedition: +30% (Ground Movement Speed only)

Major Gallop: +30% (Mounted Movement Speed only)
Minor Gallop:??

Unique buffs include:

Windrunning: +2%

The Steed: +5- ? (based upon all gold Divines including shield it can get up to 8%)
Swift Jewelry Trait: +6-10% (based on the quality of the Jewelry)
Orc: +10% (Sprint Only)

Cyrodiil's Ward: +15% (3pc Armor Mount Movement Speed only)

Does "movement speed" mean both mounted and ground or just the various ground speeds?

Minor is only 10%

elijafire · July 2018

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Minor Expedition is +10%

Fixed, what's the cap?

Tasear · July 2018

elijafire wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Minor Expedition is +10%

Fixed, what's the cap?

If I recall correctly it's 100% over.

ezio45 · July 2018

i thought swift was 30%

Liofa · July 2018

You can run twice as fast, not more. This was changed long time ago so might be wrong.

firedrgn · July 2018

Just saw a theead on this yesterday with all the maths.

It was an older thread but it checked out. I was go 8kng ro clear it.

elijafire · July 2018

Tasear wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Minor Expedition is +10%

Fixed, what's the cap?

If I recall correctly it's 100% over.

K any testing or official statement or just a guess?

ezio45 wrote: »

i thought swift was 30%

3 jewelry slots at Gold level = 30%

firedrgn wrote: »

Just saw a theead on this yesterday with all the maths.

It was an older thread but it checked out. I was go 8kng ro clear it.

Not sure what that last sentence was but do you have a link to that thread?

Thanks for the responses.

Sun7dance · July 2018

Does "swift" also increase the movement speed in stealth, when you are not a vampire?

Thx!

LumbermillOverlord · July 2018

@firedrgn can you pls link that thread?

runagate · July 2018

where'd all your forum stars go?

danno8 · July 2018

It was set at 100% over normal many, many patches back.

The information was in the form of a patch note.

No, sorry I am not going to dig through the last ~2 years of patch notes to find it for you, but that is what it is.

Shadowmaster · July 2018

its 100% max due to the vamp/dark stalker/sneak speed set abuse of running around faster in sneak than others could run without invis

elijafire · July 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

its 100% max due to the vamp/dark stalker/sneak speed set abuse of running around faster in sneak than others could run without invis

So a couple people abuse a set means nerf everyone. Got it.

runagate wrote: »

where'd all your forum stars go?

I tend to speak facts and truth, doesn't make me a very popular person. I guess they figured I don't deserve stars LOL.

The_Protagonist · July 2018

Sun7dance wrote: »

Does "swift" also increase the movement speed in stealth, when you are not a vampire?

Thx!

Yes it does.

The_Protagonist · July 2018

Shadowmaster wrote: »

its 100% max due to the vamp/dark stalker/sneak speed set abuse of running around faster in sneak than others could run without invis

It was never an abuse, PTS testers raised the issue but as usual it was ignored, sneak speed was faster than mounted speed at major gallop, it was difficult to maneuver your toon at those speeds, fun days *sigh*

Dark Stalker Passive (100%) + Night Silence (100%) + Jailbreaker (10%) + Concealed Weapon (25%) (on Nightblades) + Major Expedition (20%).

I never tested it numerically, but it felt like minor expedition, concealed weapon and major expedition were multiplicative on dark stalker passive and night silence, the last two being additive to each other.

Bottom line, it turned a regular thief into Flash from the comics. That is no longer the case anymore after Battlegrounds came out.

At least with swift jewelry we can experience some speed in sneak.

elijafire · July 2018

The_Protagonist wrote: »

Shadowmaster wrote: »

its 100% max due to the vamp/dark stalker/sneak speed set abuse of running around faster in sneak than others could run without invis

It was never an abuse, PTS testers raised the issue but as usual it was ignored, sneak speed was faster than mounted speed at major gallop, it was difficult to maneuver your toon at those speeds, fun days *sigh*

Dark Stalker Passive (100%) + Night Silence (100%) + Jailbreaker (10%) + Concealed Weapon (25%) (on Nightblades) + Major Expedition (20%).

I never tested it numerically, but it felt like minor expedition, concealed weapon and major expedition were multiplicative on dark stalker passive and night silence, the last two being additive to each other.

Bottom line, it turned a regular thief into Flash from the comics. That is no longer the case anymore after Battlegrounds came out.

At least with swift jewelry we can experience some speed in sneak.

I think he means when those two sets both worked together in a weird way making ppl go 100% speed in stealth lol. The last part confuses me though I think he meant [people could stealth faster than others could sprint all while being 'invisible'].

Yep I like swift for my heavy armor wearers on Cowards Gear, mobility is HUGE in nearly every fight and I can zip around as if I was in full leather with just that set and swift on the rings!

I really like it, I just wish they didn't feel the need to artificially restrict us since all they had to do was delete or fix one set. If they wanted a safety net they should have just made it an unattainable 150% or something.

New players now have to calculate to make sure they are not wasting stats especially if they are Orcs.