slimecraw damage

Syiccal · July 2018

why does slimecraw only seem to buff dmg done by 5.4% roughly as opposed to the 8% it says on the tool tip..I tested dmg done on a dummy

Gorrest · July 2018

Because of damage stacking calculation. So you get your base skill formula as a*Magicka + b*Spell Damage + C. So for example lets say we got 2,400 spell damage and 30,000 magicka using the skill Swallow Soul for the testing damage skill. a, b, c are all different coefficient that are different for each skill. So for Swallow Soul its

a= 0.09610
b= 1.00801
c= 1.61118

(0.09610*30,000)+(1.00801*2,400)+1.61118=
2,883+2,419+1.61118=5,304

So the base damage is 5,304.
If we then calculate slimeclaw we get 5,707 which is indeed 8% damage increase.
However, the more damage we stack the less that 8% is of our TOTAL damage.

So for example, taking the above base damage, we include Slimeclaw, 11% from Ele Expert, and 20% from Master at Arms.

5,304*(1+.11)*(1+.2)*(1+.08)=
5,304*1.438= 7,627
Now remember when we calculated the damage we would get from slimeclaw?(5,707- 5,304=403)
We divide that by the TOTAL damage to see how much Slime is actuallly giving us
403/7,627=0.0528.

TLDR: The more damage you stack, the less total damage slimeclaw is contributing since its all based on base damage tooltip rather than 8% of your current damage.

Syiccal · July 2018

thanks I appreciate the answer

MashmalloMan · July 2018

Great answer, was curious about this too.

So basically the 8% is additive with the other dmg modifiers like cp instead of multiplying all damage you do by 8%.

Seems it would be most useful for someone with really low cp or in a no cp pvp campaign.

Gorrest · July 2018

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Great answer, was curious about this too. So basically the 8% is additive with the other dmg modifiers like cp instead of multiplying all damage you do by 8%.

Seems it would be most useful for someone with really low cp or in a no cp pvp campaign.

Its not that its additive that makes it do less damage, its the fact that it is calculated by your base damage rather than total damage. 8 out of 100 is a higher percentage than 8 out of 200.

MashmalloMan · July 2018

Well isn't it. People assume the equation is something like

Gorrest wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Great answer, was curious about this too. So basically the 8% is additive with the other dmg modifiers like cp instead of multiplying all damage you do by 8%.

Seems it would be most useful for someone with really low cp or in a no cp pvp campaign.

Its not that its additive that makes it do less damage, its the fact that it is calculated by your base damage rather than total damage. 8 out of 100 is a higher percentage than 8 out of 200.

I think your equation is a little off. CP doesn't multiply each other, they should be added together. It should be more like this

Damage Done = Tooltip * Damage Modifier * (1 - Mitigation)

Damage Modifier = CP * Damage Done * Damage Taken

CP: 11% from Ele Expert + 20% from Master at Arms.
Damage Done: 8% minor berserk + passives like 5% physcal dmg/lightning dmg from sorc.
Damage Taken: Incapacitating Strikes 20% dmg Ult for example

5304 * ((1+.11+.2) x (1+.08))
5304 * 1.41.48

Damage done = 7504.09

You're still right that the more modifiers you add the more diluted the 8% becomes.

Here is a reference I found https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318595/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead

Gorrest · July 2018

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Well isn't it. People assume the equation is something like

Gorrest wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Great answer, was curious about this too. So basically the 8% is additive with the other dmg modifiers like cp instead of multiplying all damage you do by 8%.

Seems it would be most useful for someone with really low cp or in a no cp pvp campaign.

Its not that its additive that makes it do less damage, its the fact that it is calculated by your base damage rather than total damage. 8 out of 100 is a higher percentage than 8 out of 200.

I think your equation is a little off. CP doesn't multiply each other, they should be added together. It should be more like this

Damage Done = Tooltip * Damage Modifier * (1 - Mitigation)

Damage Modifier = CP * Damage Done * Damage Taken

CP: 11% from Ele Expert + 20% from Master at Arms.
Damage Done: 8% minor berserk + passives like 5% physcal dmg/lightning dmg from sorc.
Damage Taken: Incapacitating Strikes 20% dmg Ult for example

5304 * ((1+.11+.2) x (1+.08))
5304 * 1.41.48

Damage done = 7504.09

You're still right that the more modifiers you add the more diluted the 8% becomes.

Here is a reference I found https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318595/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead

Noticed that I had it multiplied when you talked about it being additive, I was to lazy to fix it lol.
Thanks

Swimguy · July 2018

lolol proof devs are trash. been looking at forums and really losing hope for improvement

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · July 2018

Swimguy wrote: »

lolol proof devs are trash. been looking at forums and really losing hope for improvement

Not sure how this shows devs are trash, having these thing additive instead multiplicative makes it easier to guard against power creap.

Beardimus · July 2018

Swimguy wrote: »

lolol proof devs are trash. been looking at forums and really losing hope for improvement

Lol, whut?

tunepunk · July 2018

Depends what type of damage you deal as well.

Slimeclaw improves weapon enchantment damage, Set item damage, and other things that is not improved by increased magicka or weapon/spell damage.

So if you have a build that relies heavily on damage sources that is not improved by those stat's it can be a decent option.

John_Falstaff · July 2018

Just to add a tidbit to previous rationale - when choosing Slimecraw, also make sure it's not redundant: in group content, you would often have that buff already (from Combat Prayer) and won't get any added benefit from the set. In solo, might worth trying.