How often do you change outfits?

Goldneye · July 2018

I set long term outfits that match each characters style but after a month I change it. I just won't buy more outfit slots!

WaltherCarraway · July 2018

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max_only · July 2018

The current system is bugged. You can’t take off an outfit and just show your armor (my armor is crafted so it works like a second outfit).

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/420496/whats-going-on-with-outfits/p1

So if it worked I’d probably change what I’m wearing based on the activity, so everyday.

Morgul667 · July 2018

Outfit slots have crazy high prices

I simply stopped using this system and wear a costume

The_Protagonist · July 2018

With one slot I have, I think I changed my outfit probably like 3 times on one character and maybe 2 times on the other. I got a look I like, just experiment with colors now once in a while.

Goldneye · July 2018

At least the option is there to change your appearance with outfits. But I only need 1 per character.

AcadianPaladin · July 2018

I only have one slot and I do occasionally tweak/adjust/evolve things. For variety or differing RP circumstances, I use costumes.

I'm very pleased overall with the outfit system and consider it a wonderful addition to the game! My biggest hope for the future is adding the ability to the outfit system to select 'invisible' (or hide) option for any piece of armor. In my case, shoulders would be the first thing I'd hide.

Elsonso · July 2018

Goldneye wrote: »

I set long term outfits that match each characters style but after a month I change it. I just won't buy more outfit slots!

I only have the one free outfit slot, and each character has an outfit appropriate to the character, even if it is just "Hide Helmet". One outfit is nothing but a recolor of the weapons to give them a black blade.

I generally don't change these unless something comes along that would force this. That would be mainly a new motif that I can use, or a costume that would have me not use the outfit, anyway.

Yes, if additional outfit slots were account wide, I would have more than the free one. They don't want us going crazy with outfits, so I respect that and don't have any more than the one.

Ydrisselle · July 2018

I simply don't use the outfit system at all. I only have 3 characters, and they all use their own armor as outfit.

Heimpai · July 2018

Never, i made a good one and am satisfied

DarcyMardin · July 2018

Never, because I don’t use the outfit system. It’s another thing, (like furniture crafting and jewelry crafting) that I was really looking forward to but rarely use because of the annoying implementation. As long as they are charging ridiculous prices for extra outfit slots, not to mention excessive in-game gold for making and dyeing an outfit in the one free slot, I will avoid the system.

I stick to costumes, which, as a subscriber, I can dye for free.

TheShadowScout · July 2018

Goldneye wrote: »

How often do you change outfits?

Whenever I get a new style piece that looks better, or get a new idea that I find more fun.

Goldneye wrote: »

I just won't buy more outfit slots!

Thuse -are- rather overpriced... I bought one thinking it was account-wide, then felt somewhat cheated when I realized it wasn't - in other games that use a similar system, I got two outfit slots for the equivalent of ca. 400 crowns (comparing cash shop currency ain't easy)

Personally, if they ever made the current outfit slots account wide, and then sold individual ones for, say, 250 crowns per slot... I'd go wild with outfits, make several for each character...

Of course, I would also want them to give us way more outfit options!
...like... the option to "research" all the "civilian clothing" (those things you sometimes find while burglaring) for the outfit system... and add more stuff besides. Definitely outfit unlocks for monster helments, and not just for a limited time (though that's a good start) - they could make it with a research -chance-; like... research that civilian clothing or monster piece, have a 20% chance to learn the looks for the outfit system, so you likely will need to do several of them until you do get lucky and so on...

Maybe even add costume pieces, so we can for example take this glove bit from that costume and that boot look from this costume, and use them in our outfits... though I suppose they would sell "outfit unlocks" seperately in the crown store. Which I'd be okay with - use the costume as is, or pay extra to use it for customizing your outfits... that goes double for hats!

People have also kept asking for "hide shoulders because they look iffy on my character" options, or even "hide chestpiece to show off my awesome tatoos". I dislike those options, because I happen to think that if you wear armor, you should -look- armored... (and I dislike the option to make heavy armor look like light robes in the outfit system as well as the option to make axes look like swords, for the same reason, but... eh...).
Still, it -could- be another crown unlock. Buy "invisible armor" options per slot for the outfit system. Play as naked nord, or barefoot breton?

And yet other options could be added... jewelry visuals for example, like, replacing the "hands" slot (gloves, gauntlets, etc.) with some stylish magic bracelets ("bracers of protection AC0", anyone?

) and the "feet" slot with anklets? Giving "crown" or "circlet" visuals for the head slot? Give "crushing weight of many, many gold chain necklaces" for the chest slot so you can make redguard characters who'd pity the fool that stands against them?

...

One more thing I woudl love to see is allowing guilds to make "[Guild Name] Uniform" outfits, perhaps even multiple (for each armor weight - [Guild Name] Knight, [Guild Name] Rogue and [Guild Name] Mage) and give characters that joinb guilds -one- free "guild" outfit slot they can assing their chosen guild uniform of their favored guild to...

DarcyMardin wrote: »

I stick to costumes, which, as a subscriber, I can dye for free.

...which I always thought was a mistake from the start, the "free to dye" thing. They should have made that a gold sink at the exact same costs as coloring your outfits back then, or refit this now...

sudaki_eso · July 2018

I have changed my outfit around 40 times since it came out.

Linaleah · July 2018

outfit? never. costumes? several times a week at least.

mikecrci · July 2018

Always armor. Never outfits.

They need to get rid of outfits altogether, and instead increase the number of armor styles.

Kiralyn2000 · July 2018

One of my characters has an outfit they use. Haven't changed it yet.

One of my characters has been wearing the same armor style/appearance since early last year.

The rest all have a single costume that they wear 98% of the time.

theskymoves · July 2018

I don't bother with outfits at all. My character either wears armor, or a costume.

DeadlyPhoenix · July 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Goldneye wrote: »

How often do you change outfits?

Whenever I get a new style piece that looks better, or get a new idea that I find more fun.

Goldneye wrote: »

I just won't buy more outfit slots!

Thuse -are- rather overpriced... I bought one thinking it was account-wide, then felt somewhat cheated when I realized it wasn't - in other games that use a similar system, I got two outfit slots for the equivalent of ca. 400 crowns (comparing cash shop currency ain't easy)

Personally, if they ever made the current outfit slots account wide, and then sold individual ones for, say, 250 crowns per slot... I'd go wild with outfits, make several for each character...

Of course, I would also want them to give us way more outfit options!
...like... the option to "research" all the "civilian clothing" (those things you sometimes find while burglaring) for the outfit system... and add more stuff besides. Definitely outfit unlocks for monster helments, and not just for a limited time (though that's a good start) - they could make it with a research -chance-; like... research that civilian clothing or monster piece, have a 20% chance to learn the looks for the outfit system, so you likely will need to do several of them until you do get lucky and so on...

Maybe even add costume pieces, so we can for example take this glove bit from that costume and that boot look from this costume, and use them in our outfits... though I suppose they would sell "outfit unlocks" seperately in the crown store. Which I'd be okay with - use the costume as is, or pay extra to use it for customizing your outfits... that goes double for hats!

People have also kept asking for "hide shoulders because they look iffy on my character" options, or even "hide chestpiece to show off my awesome tatoos". I dislike those options, because I happen to think that if you wear armor, you should -look- armored... (and I dislike the option to make heavy armor look like light robes in the outfit system as well as the option to make axes look like swords, for the same reason, but... eh...).
Still, it -could- be another crown unlock. Buy "invisible armor" options per slot for the outfit system. Play as naked nord, or barefoot breton?

And yet other options could be added... jewelry visuals for example, like, replacing the "hands" slot (gloves, gauntlets, etc.) with some stylish magic bracelets ("bracers of protection AC0", anyone? ) and the "feet" slot with anklets? Giving "crown" or "circlet" visuals for the head slot? Give "crushing weight of many, many gold chain necklaces" for the chest slot so you can make redguard characters who'd pity the fool that stands against them?

...

One more thing I woudl love to see is allowing guilds to make "[Guild Name] Uniform" outfits, perhaps even multiple (for each armor weight - [Guild Name] Knight, [Guild Name] Rogue and [Guild Name] Mage) and give characters that joinb guilds -one- free "guild" outfit slot they can assing their chosen guild uniform of their favored guild to...

DarcyMardin wrote: »

I stick to costumes, which, as a subscriber, I can dye for free.

...which I always thought was a mistake from the start, the "free to dye" thing. They should have made that a gold sink at the exact same costs as coloring your outfits back then, or refit this now...

Was about to agree with you until I read you're against hiding armor pieces like the chest to show off tattoos. What difference does it make if I choose to hide my chest piece and the rest of my body is armored, when there are people running around almost completely nude in Nordic bathing towels and argonian tribal wear that exposes nearly everything?

The whole idea of having to be armored visibily if you are wearing armor is nonsense in this game when several costumes allow for it and allow you to wear cloth only as a heavy armor wearing tank.

What about mages who only wear cloth? That cloth does nothing for us from a protection stand point, so if I went without a tunic and exposed my chest, a sword would cut me just as deep as if I were wearing that cloth tunic. The whole protection aspect in this game if you want to keep it realistic, comes from spells and enchantments that boost your protection rating, not just heavy armor.

Sevn · July 2018

The foundation of my outfits pretty much remains consistent, with the occasional tweak to one or two pieces when I have a new vision for it. I only have the one slot with zero interest in overpaying for another so my costs are relatively low, even with 14 toons.

TheShadowScout · July 2018

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Was about to agree with you until I read you're against hiding armor pieces like the chest to show off tattoos.

I said:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I dislike those options...

...not that I am against them. I am fully aware that there are people whose opinion differs, and I can agree to disagree on this point, and accept that it -would- be a good addition to the game even if I may not like it, personally.

I even added a fluff piece for immersion-lovers like me: "the armor is there, its, uh, just enchanted to be invisible..." because as i said, it -would- make sense to allow people these visual goodies.

Because let's be honest, daringly displaying manly muscles while bravely battling evil enemies is a classic cliché for fantasy folk, ever since Schwarzeneggers "Conan"; right? (in the stories, Conan often wore armor, you know...) And Red Sonja has also been known to distract her usually male opponents during combat with displaying way more skin then would be prudent in any realistic setting...

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

What difference does it make if I choose to hide my chest piece and the rest of my body is armored, when there are people running around almost completely nude in Nordic bathing towels and argonian tribal wear that exposes nearly everything?

I knooooow.
And if I had my way, then costumes like that would either automatically unequip when joining combat, or lower your characters armor value while worn.
But I can see that this might be a bit too much immersion for most, so... I guess I can pick up on the hint in the Orsinium storyline and consider them "illusion disguises"... saving my immersion while letting others have their fun.

And there we have it. The excuse that will satisfy us immersion-freaks.
"Its all just illusions hiding the actual armor to lure enemies into a fase sense of superiority."
And while I still mildly dislike it, I can accept that one, and enjoy the game with it regardless!

Vyle_Byte · July 2018

I've made an outfit for each of my characters, they will most likely stay in those til the end of time. I enjoy the system, I do not enjoy the cost of the system.

Orange_fire_dragon · July 2018

I wont buy outfit slots because they arent account wide, just character.

I change outfits rarely, sometimes I make modifications to existing outfit when I find something that I didnt see at first.

DeadlyPhoenix · July 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Was about to agree with you until I read you're against hiding armor pieces like the chest to show off tattoos.

I said:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I dislike those options...

...not that I am against them. I am fully aware that there are people whose opinion differs, and I can agree to disagree on this point, and accept that it -would- be a good addition to the game even if I may not like it, personally.

I even added a fluff piece for immersion-lovers like me: "the armor is there, its, uh, just enchanted to be invisible..." because as i said, it -would- make sense to allow people these visual goodies.

Because let's be honest, daringly displaying manly muscles while bravely battling evil enemies is a classic cliché for fantasy folk, ever since Schwarzeneggers "Conan"; right? (in the stories, Conan often wore armor, you know...) And Red Sonja has also been known to distract her usually male opponents during combat with displaying way more skin then would be prudent in any realistic setting...

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

What difference does it make if I choose to hide my chest piece and the rest of my body is armored, when there are people running around almost completely nude in Nordic bathing towels and argonian tribal wear that exposes nearly everything?

I knooooow.
And if I had my way, then costumes like that would either automatically unequip when joining combat, or lower your characters armor value while worn.
But I can see that this might be a bit too much immersion for most, so... I guess I can pick up on the hint in the Orsinium storyline and consider them "illusion disguises"... saving my immersion while letting others have their fun.

And there we have it. The excuse that will satisfy us immersion-freaks.
"Its all just illusions hiding the actual armor to lure enemies into a fase sense of superiority."
And while I still mildly dislike it, I can accept that one, and enjoy the game with it regardless!

Sorry, originally had more to say but had to go somewhere real quick. Glad you responded though.

I did realize you said something about buying invisible slots, it's just why should we have to pay for an invisible motif especially when there is a hide helmet option, essentially in itself an invisible motif. We should be able to select the hide option on all armor pieces.

Yes, it is a bit immersion breaking, but like you, others and myself have said; it's illusions, spells, enchantments, etc that save us on the immersion side. We dont need more things locked behind the crown store.

I do agree with everything else you said, just mainly not about having to buy additional invisible armor slots.

Edit*

Also you said "if you wear armor you should look like you're wearing armor" and while I agree with this, what if I'm wearing light cloth armor that is essentially just clothing? Clothing, like I said before, serves little protection against any weapon and I might as well be naked.

So basically, I'm already not wearing armor

gladiators were also known to wear skimpy armor that exposed them. It was more for appearance though rather than defense since, lets face it, the whole point was them to get cut, hurt, bleed and die in the most "entertaining" way possible for the audience.

Shantu · July 2018

Never.

Trinity_Is_My_Name · July 2018

Never use them.

akredon_ESO · July 2018

Gold ha..ha who needs gold when you can spend it all on changing your wardrobe

TheShadowScout · July 2018

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

We should be able to select the hide option on all armor pieces.

And if the game had remained subscription powered, that would have been a reasonable way to do it.
Ship, sailed, sunk, long time.
Now its crown store, which means they either will bring something at an extra charge... or not at all, more likely then not. So, demanding it "free" means they won't make any profit from it, thus will not spend any development resources on it (code jockeys don't work for free you know).
Thus... if you want something, best brainstorm about it in ways that lets them monetize it, that way its more likely to actually happen someday

Also, I do recall at least one other game which made "invisible armor pieces" a cash store purchase, so I would expect ZOS to follow suit if they ever went there...

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Also you said "if you wear armor you should look like you're wearing armor" and while I agree with this, what if I'm wearing light cloth armor that is essentially just clothing? Clothing, like I said before, serves little protection against any weapon and I might as well be naked.

There is a difference beteeen "light cloth armor" and " just clothing". A vast difference actually, as many a ancient greek or later period egyptian warrior could tell you, protected as they were by their trusty linen cuirass. Even a knight would not want to be without his gambeson, which was essentially padded cloth armor that wend under chainmail to cushion blows...
Cloth armor has a long standing tradition even in later times, for footsoldiers who could not afford metal armor, or were not supposed to fight at the front lines anyhow (archers for example). After all, it was easy to make, just sew a few layers of padding between sheets of tough linen fabric, maybe add leather reinforcements if you could get them, and you had your most basic armor.

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

So basically, I'm already not wearing armor gladiators were also known to wear skimpy armor that exposed them. It was more for appearance though rather than defense since, lets face it, the whole point was them to get cut, hurt, bleed and die in the most "entertaining" way possible for the audience.

All but the last one.
Gladiators were supposed to get hurt, to bleed... but the "die" thing was more the exception then the rule for professional gladiators whose owners had to invest a lot of time and money to trrain them up to fight showy enough to please the crowd.
So, roman gladiatorian matches were more like... pro wrestling rather then fights to the death... and recent studies showed many gladiators were a bit on the chubby side, so they could sustain flesh wounds without hitting the important parts... and keep entertaining the crowds for many fights to come, earning their ownders money (and eventually, their freedom, at least tthat was the carrot they got dangled before their noses). Yeah, accidents happened and deaths were not unheard of... but the gladiators were generally -not- sent in the arena to die (unless Caesar was bored and demanded some "real action").
...
Prisoners on the other hand... well, sending felons with minimal equipment against well trained gladiators DID happen, often enough, it was a crowd pleaser after all... and if they are gonna be executed anyhow, why not make some sestertius from it? Or so I presume the thoughts went back then...

Tandor · July 2018

I've no idea what the difference is between an outfit and a costume, but a few of my characters wear one or the other and stick with it. The rest rely on their armour - the advantage of which is that I get a sense of advancement when they get something better because I can actually see it.

aaisoaho · July 2018

I very, very rarely change my outfits, last change was: minotaur medium jack -> sapiarch medium jack. I change them when I get new motifs I like and these motifs usually comes when a new expansion launches. (Previous change was ra gada legs -> worm cult medium legs)

DeadlyPhoenix · July 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

We should be able to select the hide option on all armor pieces.

And if the game had remained subscription powered, that would have been a reasonable way to do it.
Ship, sailed, sunk, long time.
Now its crown store, which means they either will bring something at an extra charge... or not at all, more likely then not. So, demanding it "free" means they won't make any profit from it, thus will not spend any development resources on it (code jockeys don't work for free you know).
Thus... if you want something, best brainstorm about it in ways that lets them monetize it, that way its more likely to actually happen someday

Also, I do recall at least one other game which made "invisible armor pieces" a cash store purchase, so I would expect ZOS to follow suit if they ever went there...

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

Also you said "if you wear armor you should look like you're wearing armor" and while I agree with this, what if I'm wearing light cloth armor that is essentially just clothing? Clothing, like I said before, serves little protection against any weapon and I might as well be naked.

There is a difference beteeen "light cloth armor" and " just clothing". A vast difference actually, as many a ancient greek or later period egyptian warrior could tell you, protected as they were by their trusty linen cuirass. Even a knight would not want to be without his gambeson, which was essentially padded cloth armor that wend under chainmail to cushion blows...
Cloth armor has a long standing tradition even in later times, for footsoldiers who could not afford metal armor, or were not supposed to fight at the front lines anyhow (archers for example). After all, it was easy to make, just sew a few layers of padding between sheets of tough linen fabric, maybe add leather reinforcements if you could get them, and you had your most basic armor.

DeadlyPhoenix wrote: »

So basically, I'm already not wearing armor gladiators were also known to wear skimpy armor that exposed them. It was more for appearance though rather than defense since, lets face it, the whole point was them to get cut, hurt, bleed and die in the most "entertaining" way possible for the audience.

All but the last one.
Gladiators were supposed to get hurt, to bleed... but the "die" thing was more the exception then the rule for professional gladiators whose owners had to invest a lot of time and money to trrain them up to fight showy enough to please the crowd.
So, roman gladiatorian matches were more like... pro wrestling rather then fights to the death... and recent studies showed many gladiators were a bit on the chubby side, so they could sustain flesh wounds without hitting the important parts... and keep entertaining the crowds for many fights to come, earning their ownders money (and eventually, their freedom, at least tthat was the carrot they got dangled before their noses). Yeah, accidents happened and deaths were not unheard of... but the gladiators were generally -not- sent in the arena to die (unless Caesar was bored and demanded some "real action").
...
Prisoners on the other hand... well, sending felons with minimal equipment against well trained gladiators DID happen, often enough, it was a crowd pleaser after all... and if they are gonna be executed anyhow, why not make some sestertius from it? Or so I presume the thoughts went back then...

I say free because it should have been an option with the outfit station already and it is a simple code to write since it already exists with the helmet. Apply that same code to the others and tweak a few things. It's maaaaaaybe a 30 minute process for an experienced coder.

I played a game, think it was Aika, that had invisible armor in the cash shop, doesn't mean it needs to be here. Unless they plan on removing the hide helm option and replacing it with a crown purchased invisible motif.

As far as padded cloth armor in ancient times, it still did little to protect from any sort of blow. Bladed, blunt, piercing, it did almost nothing without proper armor on top of it, in which case it only served as a shock absorber and to make wearing the armor more comfortable.

Proper gladiators yes, they generally didn't die too often. The slaves they fought against however would. They still wore simple armor that exposed a good majority of their body. It was show armor and more often than not, impractical when it comes to solid protection and defense from various weapons.

In ESO though, a lot of these cloth robes and armors appear to be very thin cloth. A robe is a robe, it doesn't say it's padded and some clearly are padded while others are not.

If you think cloth armor will save you any more than the clothes you're wearing now or going naked, my broadsword would like to test that theory.

Edited for crappy phone autopredict crap.

Goldneye · July 2018

Thanks for all the replies guys! Happy ESO hunting!