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My experience in PVP so far

Aragorn79
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Hi guys,

after playing the game since last Summer I feel the need to talk about some things I have seen in PVP and here in the forums. First I have to say that I love the game and think that ZOS are doing a great job at it, love PVE and PVP, and the content and feel of the game is awesome.
So I am not a very skilled PVP player and I probably will not achieve the level of mastery that I see in some players, great style and rotations, -I die every time-, but I also can learn a lot. I also love the group leaders that will tell you how to do it and really pack the group and make things happen for the campaign, great time and skills. So what I want to talk about here is the way some people perceive PVP to be and the way sometimes posters here very persistently try to get ZOS to change the rules to fit their playing style.
Okay so on my travels in Cyrodill I have encountered very passionate and skilled generals, soldiers and comrades who really bleed and give it all for the cause. They are all for the campaign and especially want loyalty to their way of experiencing the battlefield and the reality of war. These players will be very careful to form groups and to work with new arrivals sent to the war from all of Tamriel. They mostly work with people from their alliance guilds and are very distrustful of anyone in Cyrodill fighting the war in a different way.
Now, there are also soldiers that come to Cyrodill and the first thing to manage is how to survive and finding a group to join. I believe that for a very large group of players of ESO this is the main way of approaching PVP: go there, find a group, try to catch up and please don't die on me.......dead...res pls....... ....... ..... load screen..... ...... wait for me......oh no another zerg.......dead.........where is everybody now.....oh group leader changed......no one taking charge.......group is disbanded.......lfg...........lfg..........dead..........LFG..............I think I really need to go to bed......just this quest, almost have it.....dead.......LFG....... Perhaps many or may I say, a great numbers of ESO players don't do PVP because of how difficult it sometimes is to get going and have a good time at it. Here is where the help and the expertise and mastery of the PVP general will be oh so very useful, if they were more patient and less distrustful.
So I have had very positive and somewhat less positive experiences with my comrades, especially the ones that think that I or other soldiers are playing for the enemy. Spies they say. Now there may very well be spies, as in real war, but certainly not because the way we play differs from the way these players expect all to play.
So the fact that people have characters in different alliances does not automatically mean that they play against the alliance they are currently PVPing in. Yes, the possibility is there, but it is not something that you can assume right away.
I really and honestly play my character and do my very best in PVP for the alliance I am fighting for, no matter if the next day I am a different soldier fighting for a different alliance. I am loyal to my character and fight the best way I manage for the campaign effort. This is the beauty of ESO, a mixture of role playing and all the other things an MMO brings.
But sometimes things don't work well, yes I die and bleed too. I might have lost a keep or lost the opportunity to get a scroll, but that does not make me a traitor.

So for the experienced and somewhat exclusive PVPs out there I want to say, give us casual, non-in-your-guild PVPs a chance. Yes, join our group please, invite us, we can only learn the many good strategies of war from you.
The other day after half an hour of lfg....lfg.....lfg.... I decided to start a new group because there were many lone soldiers trying to lfg themselves (prime time, full campaign). But some comrades I invited left right away after either seeing we were kind of small at first and/or because of some reason I do not get at the moment (perhaps they do not like my name :)).
To all the casual PVP players and to the PVE players I can only say to try it and to dare start a group if no one invites you. PVP can be such a rewarding experience, also a very frustrating one, but hey, so is life itself.

Okay, so why write all this? Because here on the forums some people come and try to lobby ZOS to change PVP so that the way they play is respected. I have a problem with people who call for more regulation and/or limitations so that their way will come through and their way of doing things will be rewarded while punishing everybody else's, be it people who play at night, or people with many characters, or people who just want to have a fun evening, perhaps even just being a lord of misrule. Thus been said, I do respect the campaign effort and would love to become such a skilled player as many of the soldiers I see here on the forums and in Cyrodill myself. Patience goes both ways.

Okay, so just for fun and full disclosure let me present you my characters:

For King and Glory: D'aryn, silencer with a lion's heart and T'agwyr, yokudan terror and humble smithy
For the Pact: B'eryth and K'ewan, my lovely Nords with a heart of ebony, both bending the rules of the possible with arcane magic
For the most fair Queen: L'adaryel, dark lord and S'eladiel, still growing up, both elegant yet fierce

So guys, have a great time, be courteous and hope to meet you sometime at a nice tavern somewhere in Tamriel or fight among you for the ruby throne
Cheers!

PC EU
DC D'aryn, Breton Magblade
DC T'agwyr, Redguard Stamblade
EP B'eryth, Nord Magsorc
EP K'ewan, Nord Magplar
AD L'adaryel, High Elf MagDK
AD S'eladiel, Wood Elf StamWarden
DC D'evyn Imperial StamDK
DC G'avyn Breton MagNecromancer
  • Neoauspex
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    Regarding faction locking Cyrodiil: yesterday I was defending a keep with two oil pots above the inner door. I went to set up a scattershot on the side and when I came back there were 2 lvl 20 characters manning my oil pots, but just standing there not dropping any oil. As soon as the door was down they logged off.

    So I advocate faction locking campaigns.
  • VaranisArano
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    Personally, what worked best for me when it came time to seriously look for a group to PVP with was finding a PVP guild that fit me. There are lots of PVP guilds, from ones that play casually, ones that allow cross-faction play, and ones that expect loyalty to a faction or guild (for various reasons).

    If I am looking for a solid, consistent, organized group, I'm going to look for a guild group. I've tried PUGing it, and inevitably it winds up disorganized and falling apart the way you describe. Similarly, when I was looking to learn better strategies for playing in Cyrodiil, I looked for a PVP guild. I find the best way to learn from a group is to run with the group, and if I'm running with a guild group I might as well join the guild. That way I'm not expecting that guild to teach me and let me run with them without contributing in any way. Some guilds will pick up PUGs from zone and other guilds want you to join first and then raid with them. It depends on the guild and either method works.

    Joining a PVP guild may not suit everyone, but it worked well for me and I consistently get a much better experience in Cyrodiil with my guild groups compared to running with LFG or PUG groups.
  • gp1680
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    Neoauspex wrote: »
    Regarding faction locking Cyrodiil: yesterday I was defending a keep with two oil pots above the inner door. I went to set up a scattershot on the side and when I came back there were 2 lvl 20 characters manning my oil pots, but just standing there not dropping any oil. As soon as the door was down they logged off.

    So I advocate faction locking campaigns.

    Could they possibly have frozen? It happens to me on siege weapons quite frequently.
  • JumpmanLane
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    It’s hard out there for a Zergling lol
  • Neoauspex
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    gp1680 wrote: »
    Neoauspex wrote: »
    Regarding faction locking Cyrodiil: yesterday I was defending a keep with two oil pots above the inner door. I went to set up a scattershot on the side and when I came back there were 2 lvl 20 characters manning my oil pots, but just standing there not dropping any oil. As soon as the door was down they logged off.

    So I advocate faction locking campaigns.

    Could they possibly have frozen? It happens to me on siege weapons quite frequently.

    That would be extremely optimistic.
  • VaranisArano
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    Neoauspex wrote: »
    Regarding faction locking Cyrodiil: yesterday I was defending a keep with two oil pots above the inner door. I went to set up a scattershot on the side and when I came back there were 2 lvl 20 characters manning my oil pots, but just standing there not dropping any oil. As soon as the door was down they logged off.

    So I advocate faction locking campaigns.

    Usually a nice /yell "Get off the pot or use it!" sorts out players like that.

    If they don't listen, I go with "[Name] get the **** off my siege." They normally get the point.

    But as long as they are firing in the right direction, I don't care if someone good on my siege. New players often don't realize that more experienced players will run 2 or 3 siege weapons and hey, I'd rather they help out by siege than trying to ineffectually light attack the wall down.
  • runagate
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    Neoauspex wrote: »
    Regarding faction locking Cyrodiil: yesterday I was defending a keep with two oil pots above the inner door. I went to set up a scattershot on the side and when I came back there were 2 lvl 20 characters manning my oil pots, but just standing there not dropping any oil. As soon as the door was down they logged off.

    So I advocate faction locking campaigns.

    Usually a nice /yell "Get off the pot or use it!" sorts out players like that.

    If they don't listen, I go with "[Name] get the **** off my siege." They normally get the point.

    But as long as they are firing in the right direction, I don't care if someone good on my siege. New players often don't realize that more experienced players will run 2 or 3 siege weapons and hey, I'd rather they help out by siege than trying to ineffectually light attack the wall down.

    The implication was that players logged on ringers from an alliance other than that which they were fighting for, stationed there simply to disrupt siege defense when their friends come along and attack the place.

    Much like people had been doing to poplock campaigns to disrupt the other alliances ability to queue into cyrodiil, which unfairly getting the underdog bonus. After 4 1/2 years ZOS finally fixed parts of that to prevent the exploit.


  • Hurtfan
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    Personally, what worked best for me when it came time to seriously look for a group to PVP with was finding a PVP guild that fit me.

    Right there is the answer, been in a few PvP guilds and found one that fits me like a glove. Having the best time ever PvPing and I've probably been PvPing for 2 years or so total. Minus the screen freezing of course, which is a shame.

    Yes I still suck :)
    Edited by Hurtfan on July 13, 2018 9:44PM
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  • itscompton
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    Loyalty for a day isn't loyalty. Why should an experienced player take the time to help you learn and get better when they very may well have to face you across the field tomorrow?
  • VaranisArano
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    runagate wrote: »
    Neoauspex wrote: »
    Regarding faction locking Cyrodiil: yesterday I was defending a keep with two oil pots above the inner door. I went to set up a scattershot on the side and when I came back there were 2 lvl 20 characters manning my oil pots, but just standing there not dropping any oil. As soon as the door was down they logged off.

    So I advocate faction locking campaigns.

    Usually a nice /yell "Get off the pot or use it!" sorts out players like that.

    If they don't listen, I go with "[Name] get the **** off my siege." They normally get the point.

    But as long as they are firing in the right direction, I don't care if someone good on my siege. New players often don't realize that more experienced players will run 2 or 3 siege weapons and hey, I'd rather they help out by siege than trying to ineffectually light attack the wall down.

    The implication was that players logged on ringers from an alliance other than that which they were fighting for, stationed there simply to disrupt siege defense when their friends come along and attack the place.

    Much like people had been doing to poplock campaigns to disrupt the other alliances ability to queue into cyrodiil, which unfairly getting the underdog bonus. After 4 1/2 years ZOS finally fixed parts of that to prevent the exploit.


    Yeah, I know. I just very, very rarely see people deliberately mess with my siege. Not saying it didn't happen as that poster experienced it, just saying its mostly newbies who grab my siege.
  • VaranisArano
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    itscompton wrote: »
    Loyalty for a day isn't loyalty. Why should an experienced player take the time to help you learn and get better when they very may well have to face you across the field tomorrow?

    I agree with this. If you want to play cross-faction, a cross faction guild is probably the best place to learn from other players who play a variety of factions. Some guilds are absolutely fine with training cross-faction players and others don't like to train people that are later going to fight against them on the other side of the field.

    For myself, I only play EP, and I have a hard time taking certain players seriously in zone chat when I know I killed them on their DC or AD toon the other day. Sure, they might be loyal to EP while on their EP toon, but I'm not going to rely on them for support.
  • Zach2322
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    itscompton wrote: »
    Loyalty for a day isn't loyalty. Why should an experienced player take the time to help you learn and get better when they very may well have to face you across the field tomorrow?

    Would you rather them join a zerg and just mindlessly play, get wiped constantly, and then quit pvp? Or would you want to train someone in the hopes that they will be someone worth your time. Who cares if they end up on a different faction, you get the gratification knowing that YOU made them what they are for better or worse.

    Wouldn't you be proud if say your showed your son/daughter a pastime you enjoy and they make it their own and become better than you at it? I would take pride in it as the one who showed them the ropes.

    It's easier to put someone down rather than build them up. It's something alot of people in game or real life seem to think is ok. And no I don't mean a participation medal.
  • bg22
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    I am absolutely ALL ABOUT faction locking.

    While you may play fairly, others will not. In fact, I’m willing to bet ANYTHING that more players are disloyal, than loyal. You, and those like you are exceptions.
  • Aragorn79
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    Thank you for your comments and answers. I am still pondering about this, very insightful comments by the way. Thanks
    PC EU
    DC D'aryn, Breton Magblade
    DC T'agwyr, Redguard Stamblade
    EP B'eryth, Nord Magsorc
    EP K'ewan, Nord Magplar
    AD L'adaryel, High Elf MagDK
    AD S'eladiel, Wood Elf StamWarden
    DC D'evyn Imperial StamDK
    DC G'avyn Breton MagNecromancer
  • Ragebull
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    Cyro has 99 problems and faction locking ain't one
  • Lamiai
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    Maybe have a main campaign that is faction locked, only one faction per account for 30 days. Still keep the rest open to allow those who want to play on multiple characters in PvP.
    R.I.P patch 1.5 ~ Never Forget.
  • Kel
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    runagate wrote: »
    Neoauspex wrote: »
    Regarding faction locking Cyrodiil: yesterday I was defending a keep with two oil pots above the inner door. I went to set up a scattershot on the side and when I came back there were 2 lvl 20 characters manning my oil pots, but just standing there not dropping any oil. As soon as the door was down they logged off.

    So I advocate faction locking campaigns.

    Usually a nice /yell "Get off the pot or use it!" sorts out players like that.

    If they don't listen, I go with "[Name] get the **** off my siege." They normally get the point.

    But as long as they are firing in the right direction, I don't care if someone good on my siege. New players often don't realize that more experienced players will run 2 or 3 siege weapons and hey, I'd rather they help out by siege than trying to ineffectually light attack the wall down.

    The implication was that players logged on ringers from an alliance other than that which they were fighting for, stationed there simply to disrupt siege defense when their friends come along and attack the place.

    Much like people had been doing to poplock campaigns to disrupt the other alliances ability to queue into cyrodiil, which unfairly getting the underdog bonus. After 4 1/2 years ZOS finally fixed parts of that to prevent the exploit.


    This explains why I keep seeing 10 to 20 players just standing around the starter alliance areas for hours.
    Always wondered who logs in, jumps into Cyrodiil just to stand around.
    In many ways, this game is sad.
    Still a great game, but just....wow.
  • Enslaved
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    Aragorn79 wrote: »
    Hi guys,

    after playing the game since last Summer I feel the need to talk about some things I have seen in PVP and here in the forums. First I have to say that I love the game and think that ZOS are doing a great job at it

    Stopped reading here.
  • TheRedRavenTR
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    itscompton wrote: »
    Loyalty for a day isn't loyalty. Why should an experienced player take the time to help you learn and get better when they very may well have to face you across the field tomorrow?

    I agree with this. If you want to play cross-faction, a cross faction guild is probably the best place to learn from other players who play a variety of factions. Some guilds are absolutely fine with training cross-faction players and others don't like to train people that are later going to fight against them on the other side of the field.

    For myself, I only play EP, and I have a hard time taking certain players seriously in zone chat when I know I killed them on their DC or AD toon the other day. Sure, they might be loyal to EP while on their EP toon, but I'm not going to rely on them for support.

    Some people dont have any race any alliance. And some races are necessary for some builds to work well. I have dark elf magdk and orc stams-orc (pun intendedxd) but even though i try my best and do as much as i can playing solo some people call me out and call me a traitor like i betrayed my home country. They think i give info or they get mad when i get bored and switch characters and kill them. Really annoying
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