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Give stam a good spammable (PVP)
Abhaya
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Storcs, stamknights, and stamdens could all benefit from a reliable melee spam. DS has been the boring go to for years even though it is one of the most telegraphed, easily avoided skills available. Not to mention the lag cast time is closer to 3 seconds. Crushing weapon is extremely unreliable on moving targets. If you miss the light attack you lose a whole GCD of damage and lose the stamina on recast. If you are weaving slow enough to wait and see if it lands before recasting you're probably getting run over anyways. Daggers is actually pretty good, especially the aoe morph in battlegrounds, but wings shut it down completely. It is also very unsatisfying to force my iron-clad warrior to toss butter knives at melee range to do damage.
Leave DS alone and make WB an instant cast that does less damage with a different animation.
Rework daggers to be a melee spammable with different effects. The skill seems out of place in the ESO universe as it is. Yes DW has flurry. Flurry is another poorly designed channel skill with bad burst and a horrible animation.
Maybe change one of the lesser used fighters guild skills to a new attack that doesn't suck. This would benefit all builds instead of restricting the attack to a certain weapon.
I'm open to options on this these are just a few suggestions from the top of my head after being disappointed in options for so long.
Leave DS alone and make WB an instant cast that does less damage with a different animation.
Rework daggers to be a melee spammable with different effects. The skill seems out of place in the ESO universe as it is. Yes DW has flurry. Flurry is another poorly designed channel skill with bad burst and a horrible animation.
Maybe change one of the lesser used fighters guild skills to a new attack that doesn't suck. This would benefit all builds instead of restricting the attack to a certain weapon.
I'm open to options on this these are just a few suggestions from the top of my head after being disappointed in options for so long.
Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
Stam Sorc 2-Hand / Bow Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=169103
Stam Sorc 2-Hand / Bow Build: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=169103
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Abhaya✭✭✭✭
Nado is for zerg pocket-holders.Waffennacht wrote: »Steel Tornado is your spammable
Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
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barshemm✭✭✭✭I have been running rending slashes as a spammable or reverse slice sometimes on my stam sorc. I got tired of the whole dizzying swing thing and switching to a dot build seemed a good way to go. Wish I had master dw/2h but I've been pretty successful without it.0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pretty much only stamina sorc needs a class damage skill. DKs have venom claw and noxious breath, Templars have jabs and POTL, wardens have sub assault and birds, and obviously NBs don’t need help. But stam sorc is he only class that doesn’t have a good damage skill that provides some debuff to help them round out the available weapon skills.0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Flurry is good enough, especially on StamSorcs.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Abhaya✭✭✭✭Flurry is only okay if you can stack a lot of pressure since it's basically a dot. It doesn't have any burst and the damage is meh; there is a reason why nobody is using it.Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They can give Stam a decent spammable right around the same time they give Magicka a decent HOT.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭Storcs, stamknights, and stamdens could all benefit from a reliable melee spam. DS has been the boring go to for years even though it is one of the most telegraphed, easily avoided skills available. Not to mention the lag cast time is closer to 3 seconds. Crushing weapon is extremely unreliable on moving targets. If you miss the light attack you lose a whole GCD of damage and lose the stamina on recast. If you are weaving slow enough to wait and see if it lands before recasting you're probably getting run over anyways. Daggers is actually pretty good, especially the aoe morph in battlegrounds, but wings shut it down completely. It is also very unsatisfying to force my iron-clad warrior to toss butter knives at melee range to do damage.
Leave DS alone and make WB an instant cast that does less damage with a different animation.
Rework daggers to be a melee spammable with different effects. The skill seems out of place in the ESO universe as it is. Yes DW has flurry. Flurry is another poorly designed channel skill with bad burst and a horrible animation.
Maybe change one of the lesser used fighters guild skills to a new attack that doesn't suck. This would benefit all builds instead of restricting the attack to a certain weapon.
I'm open to options on this these are just a few suggestions from the top of my head after being disappointed in options for so long.
What the hell is DS and WB?0 -
LadyLavina✭✭✭✭✭
✭Storcs, stamknights, and stamdens could all benefit from a reliable melee spam. DS has been the boring go to for years even though it is one of the most telegraphed, easily avoided skills available. Not to mention the lag cast time is closer to 3 seconds. Crushing weapon is extremely unreliable on moving targets. If you miss the light attack you lose a whole GCD of damage and lose the stamina on recast. If you are weaving slow enough to wait and see if it lands before recasting you're probably getting run over anyways. Daggers is actually pretty good, especially the aoe morph in battlegrounds, but wings shut it down completely. It is also very unsatisfying to force my iron-clad warrior to toss butter knives at melee range to do damage.
Leave DS alone and make WB an instant cast that does less damage with a different animation.
Rework daggers to be a melee spammable with different effects. The skill seems out of place in the ESO universe as it is. Yes DW has flurry. Flurry is another poorly designed channel skill with bad burst and a horrible animation.
Maybe change one of the lesser used fighters guild skills to a new attack that doesn't suck. This would benefit all builds instead of restricting the attack to a certain weapon.
I'm open to options on this these are just a few suggestions from the top of my head after being disappointed in options for so long.
What the hell is DS and WB?
Dizzying Swing and Wrecking Blow I assumePC - NA @LadyLavina 1800+ CP PvP Tank and PvP Healer0 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Storcs, stamknights, and stamdens could all benefit from a reliable melee spam. DS has been the boring go to for years even though it is one of the most telegraphed, easily avoided skills available. Not to mention the lag cast time is closer to 3 seconds. Crushing weapon is extremely unreliable on moving targets. If you miss the light attack you lose a whole GCD of damage and lose the stamina on recast. If you are weaving slow enough to wait and see if it lands before recasting you're probably getting run over anyways. Daggers is actually pretty good, especially the aoe morph in battlegrounds, but wings shut it down completely. It is also very unsatisfying to force my iron-clad warrior to toss butter knives at melee range to do damage.
Leave DS alone and make WB an instant cast that does less damage with a different animation.
Rework daggers to be a melee spammable with different effects. The skill seems out of place in the ESO universe as it is. Yes DW has flurry. Flurry is another poorly designed channel skill with bad burst and a horrible animation.
Maybe change one of the lesser used fighters guild skills to a new attack that doesn't suck. This would benefit all builds instead of restricting the attack to a certain weapon.
I'm open to options on this these are just a few suggestions from the top of my head after being disappointed in options for so long.
I think making wrecking blow perform a slash animation would be nice1 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭LadyLavina wrote: »Storcs, stamknights, and stamdens could all benefit from a reliable melee spam. DS has been the boring go to for years even though it is one of the most telegraphed, easily avoided skills available. Not to mention the lag cast time is closer to 3 seconds. Crushing weapon is extremely unreliable on moving targets. If you miss the light attack you lose a whole GCD of damage and lose the stamina on recast. If you are weaving slow enough to wait and see if it lands before recasting you're probably getting run over anyways. Daggers is actually pretty good, especially the aoe morph in battlegrounds, but wings shut it down completely. It is also very unsatisfying to force my iron-clad warrior to toss butter knives at melee range to do damage.
Leave DS alone and make WB an instant cast that does less damage with a different animation.
Rework daggers to be a melee spammable with different effects. The skill seems out of place in the ESO universe as it is. Yes DW has flurry. Flurry is another poorly designed channel skill with bad burst and a horrible animation.
Maybe change one of the lesser used fighters guild skills to a new attack that doesn't suck. This would benefit all builds instead of restricting the attack to a certain weapon.
I'm open to options on this these are just a few suggestions from the top of my head after being disappointed in options for so long.
What the hell is DS and WB?
Dizzying Swing and Wrecking Blow I assume
Ahh, I read stam and immediately thought Dual Wield. Forgot that PvP mainly uses 2H.0 -
LjAnimalchin✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »They can give Stam a decent spammable right around the same time they give Magicka a decent HOT.
Mutagen is a HOT is it not? Stronger than vigor as I recall..5 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LjAnimalchin wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »They can give Stam a decent spammable right around the same time they give Magicka a decent HOT.
Mutagen is a HOT is it not? Stronger than vigor as I recall..
Not even close. Mutagen isn't even strong enough to outheal Sloads, much less Shield Breaker. Not to mention the fact that you can front bar Vigor if you need to.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Pretty much only stamina sorc needs a class damage skill. DKs have venom claw and noxious breath, Templars have jabs and POTL, wardens have sub assault and birds, and obviously NBs don’t need help. But stam sorc is he only class that doesn’t have a good damage skill that provides some debuff to help them round out the available weapon skills.
you mean the venom claws that do less damage than blood craze while providing no utility?
(not even gonna bother talking about noxious breath.)
No, stamsorc is NOT the only class that doesn't have a good damage skill. Though you seem way too selfish to realize that your class has it a lot easier than Dks when it comes to spammables and doing damage.(and with all that in mind, they still need a spammable. Just like DKs and wardens do.)Edited by Ragnarock41 on July 12, 2018 8:28AM1 -
GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭S&B has spammables, bow has spammables whatever you run on your back bar - you can use as a spammable and use front bar as execute (if you run two hand)
It is not like stamina is struggling this patch
PC/EU 800 CP.
PvP MagSorc.Pedro Gonzales - Mag Sorc EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/CB6j6
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Valera Pozhar - Mag DK EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/jrsuK
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Abhaya✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »You don't like crushing weapon?
Crushing weapon is good on paper but bad in application. Single target melee attacks without any targeting are unreliable on moving targets and sometimes it is difficult to tell if they even connect. When you are weaving in fast paced combat you don't have time to make sure the proc went off before recasting and every missed light attack you lose a GCD and the stamina cost of the skill.Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Pretty much only stamina sorc needs a class damage skill. DKs have venom claw and noxious breath, Templars have jabs and POTL, wardens have sub assault and birds, and obviously NBs don’t need help. But stam sorc is he only class that doesn’t have a good damage skill that provides some debuff to help them round out the available weapon skills.
you mean the venom claws that do less damage than blood craze while providing no utility?
(not even gonna bother talking about noxious breath.)
No, stamsorc is NOT the only class that doesn't have a good damage skill. Though you seem way too selfish to realize that your class has it a lot easier than Dks when it comes to spammables and doing damage.(and with all that in mind, they still need a spammable. Just like DKs and wardens do.)
@Ragnarock41 my class? I’ve actually been playing stam dk almost exclusively for a while now so idk what you’re talking about. Venom claws is a great skill. IMO stamina DK is in a better spot than Stam sorc and I’ve played both a lot. Stam DK has great passives, while Stam Sorc misses out on 4 which is a whole skill lines worth. Hurricane is or only class damage skill, we have no debuff skills, and by comparison DK has access to fracture, major mending, and minor brutality with ease. Not to mention volatile armor is quite effective at pulling people out of stealth. So I stand by my statement that Stam Sorcs need another class damage skill before Stamina DK.
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WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭Venomous Claw & Noxious Breath are both pretty strong to be really honest.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
Abhaya✭✭✭✭While I posted this thread with my stam sorc in mind, all classes should at a minimum have 1 basic direct damage attack at their disposal (mag and stam.)
Stam sorcs and stam dk's are the only ones that do not have access to this fundamental ability without being forced into certain weapon lines to compensate.
(Yes jabs is a channel. Without getting into technicalities it still fulfills the role of a basic class attack usable by either stam or mag.)Abhaya - PC NA - Ebonheart Pact
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SakuraRush✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »Venomous Claw & Noxious Breath are both pretty strong to be really honest.
Neither of those would be a spammable though.Emma_Overload wrote: »LjAnimalchin wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »They can give Stam a decent spammable right around the same time they give Magicka a decent HOT.
Mutagen is a HOT is it not? Stronger than vigor as I recall..
Not even close. Mutagen isn't even strong enough to outheal Sloads, much less Shield Breaker. Not to mention the fact that you can front bar Vigor if you need to.
Mutagen seemed plenty strong on my Nightblade healer.
On the topic of a Magicka HOT, Strife is pretty darn good in that role.
Edited by SakuraRush on July 13, 2018 2:13AM1
