Group Finder: You can now queue up as one role only
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ceil420✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!
And if I'm capable of 2-3 of those roles and just want to do anything in a group?
It's not other people's fault that you can't make up your mind. Think of the group and not just yourself.
How does it hurt the group if I'm flexible in roles I can play? If I'm capable in both Heals and DPS, that helps the group. Flexibility is a good thing.
And again, why should I have to dedicate myself to a particular role? Why is that something that a mind should be made up about? I care about doing the content, not playing a particular role...1 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!
And if I'm capable of 2-3 of those roles and just want to do anything in a group?
It's not other people's fault that you can't make up your mind. Think of the group and not just yourself.
How does it hurt the group if I'm flexible in roles I can play? If I'm capable in both Heals and DPS, that helps the group. Flexibility is a good thing.
And again, why should I have to dedicate myself to a particular role? Why is that something that a mind should be made up about? I care about doing the content, not playing a particular role...
It sure sounds like you just want shorter queue's and want to queue for a role you think will get grouped faster.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!12 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »It's a bad idea..
I often queue as all three well because i can actually do all three and have various gear sets for that purpose.
Tanks may be more rare.
Most if not all Mag DD also have a heal spec.
Most if not all Stam DD have a tank spec...
forcing one role is a dumb idea.
I think it’s a great idea. Choose your single role and queue.
When you multiqueue, do people wait around for you to swap your gear and skills?
I’ve seen far too many multiqueue people that can’t really do any of the three roles chosen.
With the right addon swapping roles\gear\action bars happens in one click. Maybe that point has validity on console but not for pc.
As for performance of players well that is case by case isnt it. Im sure there are some bad everything out there but there are also people who can solo vet dungeons. Im one of them.
Restricting role selection at minimum will increase queue time, thats just math. Not opinion.
Restricting role will increase queue times for those “clever” damage dealers that select tank for faster groups.
They’ll be booted for not completing their chosen role.
I’ve literally seen people go in after a dungeon has started and quickly remove tank and healer roles.5 -
ceil420✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!
And if I'm capable of 2-3 of those roles and just want to do anything in a group?
It's not other people's fault that you can't make up your mind. Think of the group and not just yourself.
How does it hurt the group if I'm flexible in roles I can play? If I'm capable in both Heals and DPS, that helps the group. Flexibility is a good thing.
And again, why should I have to dedicate myself to a particular role? Why is that something that a mind should be made up about? I care about doing the content, not playing a particular role...
It sure sounds like you just want shorter queue's and want to queue for a role you think will get grouped faster.
If I'm capable of doing two roles, what's objectively wrong with me getting in the first group that needs either role? What are you, a pure DPS that's getting pissy because you can't queue as a Healer or Tank for a faster queue time? Tf does it matter to you?
If all I cared about was faster queue pops, I'd just queue as a Tank or Healer, even if I wouldn't be great at either role. Just carry an S&B or slot an offheal to fake it until I make it and hope nobody notices. I'd actually put gold on more malicious players not even doing that - just pure DPS queuing as a support role to get the pop faster and hoping they don't get kicked. Queuing purely for Heals or Tank would probably get me into a group fairly quickly anyway - why would I be complaining about not also queuing as a DPS, which gets the slowest pops?
Again, you have no valid argument, and your most recent post shows why your took your stance in the most glaringly obvious way - you personally can't handle more than one role, and are jealous of people that can, and you just don't want them to have nice things (to wit, faster pops).
You should not need to dedicate yourself to one role ahead of time before queuing for group content! Yes, once you get in the phase, you should know what role you actually need to perform there, and then dedicate yourself to that role. But before the group is actually formed, there is absolutely no reason not to keep your options open.2 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭That would cripple stamina healers, frost staff tanks, magSorc tanks, hybrid builds.
Problem impossible to solve really.
Stamina Healers are already crippled.
A frost staff tank still needs health, same with a MagSorc Tank.
Hybrids could cover any reasonable stat requirement.
Continuing with a screwed up system because one percent or less of the player base is putting the cart in front of the dead horse.
Edited by Nestor on July 11, 2018 3:23PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!
And if I'm capable of 2-3 of those roles and just want to do anything in a group?
It's not other people's fault that you can't make up your mind. Think of the group and not just yourself.
How does it hurt the group if I'm flexible in roles I can play? If I'm capable in both Heals and DPS, that helps the group. Flexibility is a good thing.
And again, why should I have to dedicate myself to a particular role? Why is that something that a mind should be made up about? I care about doing the content, not playing a particular role...
It sure sounds like you just want shorter queue's and want to queue for a role you think will get grouped faster.
If I'm capable of doing two roles, what's objectively wrong with me getting in the first group that needs either role? What are you, a pure DPS that's getting pissy because you can't queue as a Healer or Tank for a faster queue time? Tf does it matter to you?
If all I cared about was faster queue pops, I'd just queue as a Tank or Healer, even if I wouldn't be great at either role. Just carry an S&B or slot an offheal to fake it until I make it and hope nobody notices. I'd actually put gold on more malicious players not even doing that - just pure DPS queuing as a support role to get the pop faster and hoping they don't get kicked. Queuing purely for Heals or Tank would probably get me into a group fairly quickly anyway - why would I be complaining about not also queuing as a DPS, which gets the slowest pops?
Again, you have no valid argument, and your most recent post shows why your took your stance in the most glaringly obvious way - you personally can't handle more than one role, and are jealous of people that can, and you just don't want them to have nice things (to wit, faster pops).
You should not need to dedicate yourself to one role ahead of time before queuing for group content! Yes, once you get in the phase, you should know what role you actually need to perform there, and then dedicate yourself to that role. But before the group is actually formed, there is absolutely no reason not to keep your options open.
You're wrong. I'm a dedicated healer, who has dealt with a lot of crap from fake tanks and fake dps. Switching roles screws over your group. When you form a group through group finder, you're putting your trust in strangers being truthful about what role they are. It's selfish, and goes against the group dynamic. If you want to queue for multiple roles, don't do it through group finder! Do it with guild mates, or friends! Is it that hard to expect people to get their crap together without effecting the other people in the group?Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!13 -
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✭If you can genuinely do two role queue as a tank or healer and you'll get right in. Then offer to switch to dps. There's three other people. If the group wants it, then do it. If they don't, then do your job. More importantly if they don't want it, then you were about to wreck the experience of three people for your own selfishness. If you're a decent person, you'll be glad it worked out that you aren't being a jerk.
Also, showing up with a dps build, slotting a taunt, holding bosses and not dying is not fake tanking. The people that do that get defensive on these threads. No one is saying you're the problem.Edited by Colecovision on July 11, 2018 3:41PM6 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭My question is - why are you forming groups through Group Finder? I thought it was completely broken. Isn't it easier to group with friends and Guild mates? Sorry... I don't do a lot of grouping - horrible experiences at release.0 -
ceil420✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!
And if I'm capable of 2-3 of those roles and just want to do anything in a group?
It's not other people's fault that you can't make up your mind. Think of the group and not just yourself.
How does it hurt the group if I'm flexible in roles I can play? If I'm capable in both Heals and DPS, that helps the group. Flexibility is a good thing.
And again, why should I have to dedicate myself to a particular role? Why is that something that a mind should be made up about? I care about doing the content, not playing a particular role...
It sure sounds like you just want shorter queue's and want to queue for a role you think will get grouped faster.
If I'm capable of doing two roles, what's objectively wrong with me getting in the first group that needs either role? What are you, a pure DPS that's getting pissy because you can't queue as a Healer or Tank for a faster queue time? Tf does it matter to you?
If all I cared about was faster queue pops, I'd just queue as a Tank or Healer, even if I wouldn't be great at either role. Just carry an S&B or slot an offheal to fake it until I make it and hope nobody notices. I'd actually put gold on more malicious players not even doing that - just pure DPS queuing as a support role to get the pop faster and hoping they don't get kicked. Queuing purely for Heals or Tank would probably get me into a group fairly quickly anyway - why would I be complaining about not also queuing as a DPS, which gets the slowest pops?
Again, you have no valid argument, and your most recent post shows why your took your stance in the most glaringly obvious way - you personally can't handle more than one role, and are jealous of people that can, and you just don't want them to have nice things (to wit, faster pops).
You should not need to dedicate yourself to one role ahead of time before queuing for group content! Yes, once you get in the phase, you should know what role you actually need to perform there, and then dedicate yourself to that role. But before the group is actually formed, there is absolutely no reason not to keep your options open.
You're wrong. I'm a dedicated healer, who has dealt with a lot of crap from fake tanks and fake dps. Switching roles screws over your group. When you form a group through group finder, you're putting your trust in strangers being truthful about what role they are. It's selfish, and goes against the group dynamic. If you want to queue for multiple roles, don't do it through group finder! Do it with guild mates, or friends! Is it that hard to expect people to get their crap together without effecting the other people in the group?
Role switching, in and of itself, does not "screw over your group". It might if you suck at it, but not everybody does, and not everybody should be punished for it.
When you form a group through group finder, you're bound to get players of all skill levels, including bad ones in general that legitimately can't pull their weight in whatever role they're even trying to do. In such cases, it may be beneficial to say "Hey, you queued as that role, too, can you pick up this guy's slack?". Or maybe in the middle of the run the Tank or Healer just has to leave for whatever other reason, who knows? In which case, it'd be easier to find a replacement DPS than a replacement Tank or Healer, and if someone queued as DPS+Support and is currently DPSing, they can just shift into the other role.
And again, for at least the third time, characters in ESO are capable of fulfilling more than one role! When I queue as DPS+Healer, I'm not saying that I'm a DPS that just wants a faster pop. I'm saying - truthfully - that I can fill either role, according to the group's need. That's pretty much the opposite of selfish, and helps the group dynamic.
If you want to enjoy rigidity in preestablished roles, you form a group with guild mates or friends. Someone capable of switching between roles as needed is not having a negative impact on the other people in the group. At all. And can actually do more to help the group if things go sideways for whatever reason.3 -
Shadowmaster✭✭✭✭That would cripple stamina healers, frost staff tanks, magSorc tanks, hybrid builds.
You assume those non-meta builds are desirable by the other players in your group. There is a reason some stuff is meta.
Pledges are a chore, not a time for us to screw around while you test out the build you should have tried on your training dummy.
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xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭they should put some status tags to be able to perform a role
like idk... 30k+ and 25k all resistance for tanks... 2500+wep/spell dmg for dps and idk about healers since most grps I run 1 tank 3 dds now
but they can think of something... 1 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't get the gripes about this change hindering those that can do all 3 roles. If you can comfortably tank with your dd, why on earth would you even queue as a dd? A role that has the very long waits attached to it. If i could comfortably heal or tank with my dd, I'd be queue as one of those. The fact you can also dps would only be an added bonus to any group.8 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This fixes nothing, and actually makes it worse.
This doesn't somehow prevent a DPS from queuing as a Tank. It's checkbox. It also doesn't somehow magically require them to be a tank.
This screws over people that can legitimately dual role, because now they get to guess which one's more in need.
And here's the real gem that most people miss: It's actually going to make DPS queues longer.
If I can legit dual role, the queue should always place me in the needed role in any circumstance. With the change, if there are an excess of Tanks, and a shortage of Healers, and I queue on My Heal/Tank as the wrong role (the one there are already plenty of), then groups that would have gotten me as a Healer (what they need) will have to wait until someone has checked the magic box.
There needs to be a certification / tiers / a gauntlet / even player voted star rating, including the role, the number of times successfully performing that role (start to finish), etc. (Successful completion earns you a +1. A kick earns you a -0.5. The 'score' would eventually tell the tale.)
They could even make it an achievement to link / check.
Their proposed 'fix' doesn't fix the fake anything.
Edited by Merlin13KAGL on July 11, 2018 3:56PMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
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LadyLavina✭✭✭✭✭
✭As a Tank who is sick of healers not being healers or obnoxious dps jumping the queue,
all i can say is
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ceil420✭✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »they should put some status tags to be able to perform a role
like idk... 30k+ and 25k all resistance for tanks... 2500+wep/spell dmg for dps and idk about healers since most grps I run 1 tank 3 dds now but they can think of something...
See, I would actually support putting in qualifiers before selecting each role. If you can't meet the baseline for any role, you're just not ready for group content. But we should still be allowed to queue for more than one role if our character can handle it, and do whatever the group needs when we get to the zone.Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I don't get the gripes about this change hindering those that can do all 3 roles. If you can comfortably tank with your dd, why on earth would you even queue as a dd? A role that has the very long waits attached to it. If i could comfortably heal or tank with my dd, I'd be queue as one of those. The fact you can also dps would only be an added bonus to any group.
Because I don't want to have to tank every single time. Even if I end up tanking 3/4 groups and get to take it easy and DPS on 1/4 of them, that'd be more fun for me than only queuing for Tank and having to do it 4/4 times, or only queuing for DPS and getting the requisite longer queue times.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »This fixes nothing, and actually makes it worse.
This doesn't somehow prevent a DPS from queuing as a Tank. It's checkbox. It also doesn't somehow magically require them to be a tank.
This screws over people that can legitimately dual role, because now they get to guess which one's more in need.
And here's the real gem that most people miss: It's actually going to make DPS queues longer.
If I can legit dual role, the queue should always place me in the needed role in any circumstance. With the change, if there are an excess of Tanks, and a shortage of Healers, and I queue on My Heal/Tank as the wrong role (the one there are already plenty of), then groups that would have gotten me as a Healer (what they need) will have to wait until someone has checked the magic box.
There needs to be a certification / tiers / a gauntlet / even player voted star rating, including the role, the number of times successfully performing that role (start to finish), etc. (Successful completion earns you a +1. A kick earns you a -0.5. The 'score' would eventually tell the tale.)
They could even make it an achievement to link / check.
Their proposed 'fix' doesn't fix the fake anything.
I actually like that little system you describe in this post. This is overall a good post, but my favourite is the suggested alternative to locked roles.
And yeah, you make a damned fine point about not knowing which Support role is more in demand. Earlier, someone mentioned a system that may show how many of each role are in queue for an activity, which I think actually would be a useful thing. Such a thing would almost be a necessity if they force us into single-role queuing, but right now it'd just be a nicety.2 -
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✭This is a garbage change. I have multi-role toons that can fill the requirements of different roles simply by swapping gear and skills. I even have one tri-role character. Now its true that most people who multi-queue aren't truly capable of this...but the root cause of the problem isnt multi-role toons, its fake tank queue...and those people dont multi-role queue...they false role queue and this doesn't affect that at all.3 -
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✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »This is a much needed change. If you want to DD, just queue as DD. If you want to Tank, queue as tank. Heal? Queue as heal. IT'S NOT THAT HARD FOLKS!
And if I'm capable of 2-3 of those roles and just want to do anything in a group?
It's not other people's fault that you can't make up your mind. Think of the group and not just yourself.
On my magblade, I'm quite capable of tanking or DD. I just need 3 seconds out of combat to switch. Why should I be forced to choose 1 role?1 -
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✭People will still fake que but it should stop there being 2 healers in a group. I have had that happen as i will always single que as a healer if I'm on my healer and someone who double qued I guess didn't notice that they got put in as dps.3 -
mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Great change.
The ONLY reason we have fake tanks and fake healers is that there are immensely self-absorbed DDs who are highly impressed with themselves and think they're too awesome to have to wait in the DD queue.
Recently I PUGged with a fake tank in WGT. Yes, he could pull high deeps, but bosses and adds would constantly run out of AOEs, dragging group DPS down. When called on it and when asked to at a minimum slot a taunt if he's going to fake the tank role, his response was "I pull 35k+ DPS. This isn't a probblem. STFU."
But it was a problem.
KICK.
We then got a low-CP real tank next, and - whaddayaknow - the rest of the dungeon went vastly quicker and easier.
This change to queue roles will help shine a blindingly bright spotlight on fake tanks and fake healers.
Hallelujah!Edited by mikemacon on July 11, 2018 4:27PM14 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Great change.
The ONLY reason we have fake tanks and fake healers is that there are immensely self-absorbed DDs who are highly impressed with themselves and think they're too awesome to have to wait in the DD queue.
Recently I PUGged with a fake tank in WGT. Yes, he could pull high deeps, but bosses and adds would constantly run out of AOEs, dragging group DPS down. When called on it and when asked to at a minimum slot a taunt if he's going to fake the tank role, his response was "I pull 35k+ DPS. This isn't a probblem. STFU."
But it was a problem.
KICK.
We then got a low-CP real tank next, and - whaddayaknow - the rest of the dungeon went vastly quicker and easier.
This change to queue roles will help shine a blindingly bright spotlight on fake tanks and fake healers.
Hallelujah!
THIS DOES NOT STOP FAKE TANKING! You are blind if you think it does. Those who fake tank, queue as TANKS, NOT as DPS/TANK. The ONLY time I have ever seen people dual or tri role is when they can actually perform both roles(or at least think they can). I myself multi-role occasionally, this doesnt mean that I fake-tank, it means that if I queue into a dungeon and get the tank role, I take a couple seconds at the start to change gear and skills for the tanking role, if I get the DPS role, or the healing role, I change gear and skills to suit. To be clear, I don't take multi-role toons to vet DLC dungeons or trials, but they are perfectly sufficient for regular vet dungeons and the like, because surprise surprise...I can fill whatever role is needed for them, so why not? The point is that this change wont stop people from fake tanking/DDing/healing, it will only make it more difficult for toons who CAN multi-role, increasing queue times for no reason.
Lets say I am a fake tank(I'm not)...lets assume that before this change I multi-role to get into a dungeon faster...all this change does is that if I fake tank...I simply UNCHECK THE DPS BOX(which fake tanks do anyway). It doesn't stop me from selecting the tank role.
Lets say that I am a true dual role tank/dps(depending on gear and skills) this change forces me to queue as one OR the other and I choose tank....that means that if no tanks are needed and a DPS is needed that the group needing a DPS is forced to wait LONGER....it also forces me to wait longer. Or lets say I choose DPS...I am forced to wait longer...and so is a group who needs a tank. This change only SLOWS EVERYTHING DOWN WHILE NOT DOING A THING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
Most times I don't use the dungeon finder with my multi-role toons simply because I don't feel like dealing with close-minded people who cant comprehend how a single toon can possibly do more than one role, but this change removes that option entirely while making things worse for everyone.3 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Okay. Somebody tell me what a "Real" tank's stats are. Not what they are to do, I already know that, but, how much health they are "required" to have or, alternatively, how much "stamina" or "magicka", etc. Also, what DPS are they supposed to pull (if any), what buffs are they "required" to have and, unless they're high-CP, what weapons and accouterments to you expect them to have.
Maybe if you specifically lay out what Meta requirements are to be met (I'm assuming anyone who claims to be a tank would know the correct rotations and actions to take in the role).
Please, enlighten me.0 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭In my mind, it means that Mr. Fake Tank/healer can go back to queue after the rest of the group gets fed up with their shenanigans because now, you are making the conscious decision to screw over your team mates by picking a role that you can't or won't perform.Edited by Silver_Strider on July 11, 2018 5:11PMArgonian forever0 -
ceil420✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »In my mind, it means that Mr. Fake Tank/healer can go back to queue after the rest of the group gets fed up with their shenanigans because now, you are making the conscious decision to screw over your team mates by picking a role that you can't or won't perform.
They already do that!!
This change does nothing to stop such shenanigans, and only serves to hurt people that can, legitimately, perform more than one role.1 -
Crafts_Many_Boxes✭✭✭✭✭I don't remember which thread it was, but somebody pointed out that the queue system does some very screwy things at times. It seems to bug out for no reason a lot.
What if all of these issues are caused by some system limitation that just causes grouping hickups when players select multiple roles?
Everyone is saying that it will lead to longer queue times, but that's assuming the system is working fine at present. If this solves some under-the-hood problem with the grouping tool, it could actually lead to shorter queue times on average. I say we wait and see.4 -
ceil420✭✭✭Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »I don't remember which thread it was, but somebody pointed out that the queue system does some very screwy things at times. It seems to bug out for no reason a lot.
What if all of these issues are caused by some system limitation that just causes grouping hickups when players select multiple roles?
Everyone is saying that it will lead to longer queue times, but that's assuming the system is working fine at present. If this solves some under-the-hood problem with the grouping tool, it could actually lead to shorter queue times on average. I say we wait and see.
That's a ridiculous argument. Even if there are group finder problems, how do we know it's not caused by you, personally, queuing with them? You gonna not queue again until we're sure that ain't the case?
If there were back-end problems caused by multi-role grouping, ZoS would have certainly listed that as justification for the proposed change. They did not, and instead pointed to issues that this 'fix' will flat-out not solve.1 -
jaschacasadiob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I wonder if anyone from ZOS will provide constructive feedback, apart from saying they removed some comments. We are discussing PTS and there is a long Developers comment to explain this change. It can still be fixed or at least improved."Yesterday while searching a barrel in vVoM I found a lemon. Best drop of the whole run."
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✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »In my mind, it means that Mr. Fake Tank/healer can go back to queue after the rest of the group gets fed up with their shenanigans because now, you are making the conscious decision to screw over your team mates by picking a role that you can't or won't perform.
They already do that!!
This change does nothing to stop such shenanigans, and only serves to hurt people that can, legitimately, perform more than one role.
It makes it easier to determine if someone is a troll or legit though. Sometimes, people that can queue up as all 3 forget to rearrange their hotbar/gear to perform that role prior to the 1st pull and a quick reminder fixes that. I've had times that I queued up as a Tank/DPS but didn't realize I was placed in as a DPS while in Tank gear because I'm so used to getting placed in as a Tank. It happens and isn't really that big a deal.
The same is not true of a fake that is queuing up as a Tank with Dual wield/Bow bars with 16k Health and kitting the room around. These people have no intention of being a Tank and get a swift boot without an mercy from me with an added block for good measure.
No, it won't stop the shenanigans but it makes it so that I don't have to get Mr.Fake to try and perform a role that they clearly have no intention of performing because I can't possibly know prior, whereas a player that can't won't have to be told what role their playing as they've already selected it.Argonian forever1 -
ceil420✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »In my mind, it means that Mr. Fake Tank/healer can go back to queue after the rest of the group gets fed up with their shenanigans because now, you are making the conscious decision to screw over your team mates by picking a role that you can't or won't perform.
They already do that!!
This change does nothing to stop such shenanigans, and only serves to hurt people that can, legitimately, perform more than one role.
It makes it easier to determine if someone is a troll or legit though. Sometimes, people that can queue up as all 3 forget to rearrange their hotbar/gear to perform that role prior to the 1st pull and a quick reminder fixes that. I've had times that I queued up as a Tank/DPS but didn't realize I was placed in as a DPS while in Tank gear because I'm so used to getting placed in as a Tank. It happens and isn't really that big a deal.
The same is not true of a fake that is queuing up as a Tank with Dual wield/Bow bars with 16k Health and kitting the room around. These people have no intention of being a Tank and get a swift boot without an mercy from me with an added block for good measure.
No, it won't stop the shenanigans but it makes it so that I don't have to get Mr.Fake to try and perform a role that they clearly have no intention of performing because I can't possibly know prior, whereas a player that can't won't have to be told what role their playing as they've already selected it.
So you agree that people do legit dual-queue, and that this is, occasionally, a useful option to have. Also that the changes won't stop the shenanigans.0