No, you don't get resources back with Vines on yourself

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

No, you don't get resources back with Vines on yourself

This is the answer and to further this, you do not get resources when they are healed by the minor healthsteal, only the main heal.

And troll King does not say "allies", it says "When you heal a friendly target".

That is 100% correct. Passive doesn't trigger on self-heals basically.

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

No, you don't get resources back with Vines on yourself

This is the answer and to further this, you do not get resources when they are healed by the minor healthsteal, only the main heal.

And troll King does not say "allies", it says "When you heal a friendly target".

That is 100% correct. Passive doesn't trigger on self-heals basically.

Bumping for clarity. It seems that there is no reliable way for a tank -- even a hybrid heal/tank -- to get Nature's Gift to consistently tick, because:

• "Trees" is an ultimate, and up only every now and then.
• "Shrooms" is a burst heal, and hence only can proc occasionally at best.
• Ditto Healing Seed -- while there's a short HoT via synergy, uptime is necessarily low due to the standard synergy cooldown.
• Living Vines is a smart heal, and if you're the tank, it's more likely to target you than anybody else.
• The same goes for Lotus.
• Nature's Grasp is inconsistent with the tank's duty to stand still.

Is this (unfortunately) correct?

• Living Vines is a smart heal, and if you're the tank, it's more likely to target you than anybody else.
  -I was going to say not technically a smart heal, but if from the perspective of casting it on your whole group while you, yourself is low, then I can see your point.
  
• The same goes for Lotus.
  - probably one of the most cost effective options but in my personal experience its hard to maintain with the other buffs I am already keeping up on a tank (bird of prey, netch, cloak).

The other points I agree with. Basically the passive can be used by a tank but it won't be able to be kept up on cooldown in my opinion unless you are specifically running as a heal/tank for 3 dps content.

This isn't the only passive that has a janky passive description for warden in my experience. Maturation also seems to proc when using winters embrace heals (specifically, arctic blast) and will proc at random when regenerating health naturally while in battle (experienced while using ebon - not sure if this has any relation but have not tested further yet).

My question is if natures gift will proc on the HOT from budding seeds and its morphs or only the synergy?

Inarre wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

No, you don't get resources back with Vines on yourself

This is the answer and to further this, you do not get resources when they are healed by the minor healthsteal, only the main heal.

And troll King does not say "allies", it says "When you heal a friendly target".

That is 100% correct. Passive doesn't trigger on self-heals basically.

Bumping for clarity. It seems that there is no reliable way for a tank -- even a hybrid heal/tank -- to get Nature's Gift to consistently tick, because:

• "Trees" is an ultimate, and up only every now and then.
• "Shrooms" is a burst heal, and hence only can proc occasionally at best.
• Ditto Healing Seed -- while there's a short HoT via synergy, uptime is necessarily low due to the standard synergy cooldown.
• Living Vines is a smart heal, and if you're the tank, it's more likely to target you than anybody else.
• The same goes for Lotus.
• Nature's Grasp is inconsistent with the tank's duty to stand still.

Is this (unfortunately) correct?

• Living Vines is a smart heal, and if you're the tank, it's more likely to target you than anybody else.
  -I was going to say not technically a smart heal, but if from the perspective of casting it on your whole group while you, yourself is low, then I can see your point.
  
• The same goes for Lotus.
  - probably one of the most cost effective options but in my personal experience its hard to maintain with the other buffs I am already keeping up on a tank (bird of prey, netch, cloak).

My question is if natures gift will proc on the HOT from budding seeds and its morphs or only the synergy?

I have an answer for this. No, the hot from Harvest synergy does not proc Nature's Gift passive. When an ally use your Harvest synergy, the healing by this hot isn't even counted to your total healing. It's like the synergy user is the source of healing.
Only the burst heal from Budding Seeds proc Nature's Gift.

The worst design ever. A class passive that is completely not working when playing solo. It is well working on warden DDs and healers via Lotus, but tanks are excluded and can't proc the passive consistently.
Nature's Grasp would be good if it did not pull me to the target, just apply the hot. Now it's a big no.
Lotus Flower is inconsistent on a tank, you spend most time blocking without LAs.
Vines are situational. If you manage to get them on your allies, you'll proc Nature's Gift every time they take damage. Again, inconsistent.
Seeds would be good if the synergy hot procced Nature's Gift. It does not, so again, not good way to proc the passive.
Shrooms are a big no.