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Do target dummies need a higher profile.

  • WhitePawPrints
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    Guppet wrote: »
    Housing must be in a poor way, if restricting dummies to them is how it gets players to use them.

    Oh you have no idea. Lol
  • Guppet
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    Yep, make them more readily available and make people aware of them
    Guppet wrote: »
    Housing must be in a poor way, if restricting dummies to them is how it gets players to use them.

    Oh you have no idea. Lol

    I did get Ravenhurst. It’s nice, but I must say my daughter has more fun decorating houses in roblox than I do the houses in this game.
    Edited by Guppet on July 9, 2018 10:38PM
  • Malmai
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    Yep, make them more readily available and make people aware of them
    Locked behind cash...
  • PlagueSD
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    No, they are a reward for those that want to devote more time.
    Guppet wrote: »
    Be nice to hear the thoughts of someone voting no.

    I'll bite. Those of us that are interested in rotations and practicing DPS are those of us that are at end-game doing trials. The average person that is leveling has no use for a target dummy. (They probably don't even own a house to put it in.) Once they are CP 160, they will have PLENTY of gold and can afford one of the many homes and should be able to acquire target dummies quite easily.
  • idk
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    And the other thing is, Zos cannot hold everyone's hand about everything.

    I get it OP has a reason he/she thinks Zos should hold our hand on this one issue as though it will make some difference.
  • Guppet
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    Yep, make them more readily available and make people aware of them
    idk wrote: »
    And the other thing is, Zos cannot hold everyone's hand about everything.

    I get it OP has a reason he/she thinks Zos should hold our hand on this one issue as though it will make some difference.

    There are constantly posts about poor dps in groups. A lot of the poor dps have no clue how to even test thier dps.

    Yeah target dummies are open to those who take the game seriously. But only in housing, a thing many players could not care less about.

    Imagine you don’t care about housing. Imagine you run a vet for the first time and realise your dps is not good enough.

    The barrier from that point to actually being able to work on your rotations is not helpful at all.

    Yes they are available in most guild halls, but here’s a thought, not everyone likes guilds. In fact some people really don’t like the idea of them at all.

    So currently the options are to save up and buy a home then fork out a fortune for a dummy or join a guild which may come with requirements you don’t meet or may make monetary demands of you.

    Hardcore players have no issues with any of this. It’s about making them accessible to those that are not hardcore, you know the vast vast majority of the player base.
  • ceil420
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    Yep, make them more readily available and make people aware of them
    I'd like a nice, easy way to practice my rotation in the comfort of my own home or in a Mage/Fighter private instance, and I'd like to have some options in how I go about it. I didn't know that you got dummies from CWC before reading this thread (though I would eventually have googled it and found out), and there's an exceedingly small amount of crowns that I'd be willing to spend on such a thing.

    All you people like "no lol, guilds have them", well, not everybody is in some large, established guild or has an interest in joining one. I'm in a small guild with friends that have joined me from my previous MMO. I shouldn't have to join some other group of randos on the offchance that one of them does happen to have a dummy so that I can go to their place and use it. Rather make it easier for me to get one - even if I didn't have ESO+/access to CWC.

    Also, to those saying "anyone that cares has access to one anyway"... Tf's the harm in making them more accessible to new players such as myself that actually do care, and don't currently have access to one?

    Also also, to the most ridiculous statement about killing mammoths and giants... lol. That's not going to tell me my DPS, and it's not going to last long enough for me to practice a rotation for even a few minutes. As far as I'm concerned, the best use of a training dummy is indeed to get the mechanics of a rotation down and build that muscle memory so you can use your skills more effectively out in the world when you need to. Killing trash, even with 133k HP, doesn't really give you that opportunity.
  • MattT1988
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    No, they are a reward for those that want to devote more time.
    I don’t think they’re bound. You can always buy one off someone who can craft them and stick it in your free tavern room.
  • Sparr0w
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    Yep, make them more readily available and make people aware of them
    PlagueSD wrote: »
    Guppet wrote: »
    Be nice to hear the thoughts of someone voting no.

    I'll bite. Those of us that are interested in rotations and practicing DPS are those of us that are at end-game doing trials. The average person that is leveling has no use for a target dummy. (They probably don't even own a house to put it in.) Once they are CP 160, they will have PLENTY of gold and can afford one of the many homes and should be able to acquire target dummies quite easily.

    When I hit 160 i had less than 5k gold...
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
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  • witchdoctor
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    MattT1988 wrote: »
    I don’t think they’re bound. You can always buy one off someone who can craft them and stick it in your free tavern room.

    This is correct. A 3 million hp dummy on PC/NA is ... 60k or so.
  • srfrogg23
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    Other, please say
    I think the people who are interested in running the type of content, where a borderline unhealthy obsession with dps parses actually matter, are already aware of the existence of target dummies.

    Now, if could only wave my magic wand and give power gamers the ability to differentiate between content where that matters and content where it doesn’t, I think things would go a lot better for the game as a whole. Maybe cut down on the rage-kicking in normal or even vet dungeons because some player isn’t doing 35k dps, that’d be great.
  • Sparr0w
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    Yep, make them more readily available and make people aware of them
    Should have places in open world where dummys are located, not everyone is/wants to be in a guild. Not many people do actually know about them, or know what a rotation even is.

    My first encounter with a dummy was when I joined a PUG for nAA at around cp100 & they were meeting at someones house, hit the precursor and felt good about my 6k dps at the time until someone else destroyed it in 1/10th of the time
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
    PC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
  • Shantu
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    No, they are a reward for those that want to devote more time.
    Voted no, but I don't think they are any type of reward for devoting time. If a person is truly interested in increasing their dps, dummies are not hard to find nor too costly. At least that's been my experience.
  • greenmachine
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    Yep, make them more readily available and make people aware of them
    Basic target dummies should be available in towns (there are already uninteractable target dummies in towns/camps in the game). These can give basic dps readouts.

    Instanced target dummies should be in Fighters/Mages Guilds. These could give examples of rotations and there could be several different ones with varying resistances/health point values.

    Enhanced target dummies should be craftable and available in crown store as furnishing items. They should have customizable health and resistances, and should be able to be designated as dungeons mobs, overland mobs, and even maybe as Cyrodiil opponents which would simulate battlespirit. They should give damage readouts which show % and amount of damage from each spell/attack, element, DoT/AoE uptimes, etc.
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  • Kiralyn2000
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    Dojohoda wrote: »
    Dummies are not too hard to access because of:

    1. Being in a guild- some members will have dummies at ESO primary residence.
    2. Friends- same as above

    And a lot of the people who PuG (or solo) with "lousy" DPS, don't have those.

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    That said, I'm pretty sure that a good % of the people who don't have access to a dummy now? Wouldn't be inclined to put in the effort to train on one if they did have one. If they were motivated enough to do multiple practice sessions of Boring Target Pounding & training their rotation muscle memory, they're likely motivated enough to have gotten access to a dummy.


    (I know that I'll never own or use a dummy, but I don't run content that needs it. /shrug)
  • Kiralyn2000
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    idk wrote: »
    And the other thing is, Zos cannot hold everyone's hand about everything.

    I get it OP has a reason he/she thinks Zos should hold our hand on this one issue as though it will make some difference.

    Interesting how "provide players with better access to tools they can use to improve themselves" equals 'hand holding'.
  • Merlin13KAGL
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Personally would like to see test dummies do more. Like save rotations for people to train. Then have basic ones in fighter guild house.
    See, this kind of thing would be nice. It could see what you're going for and then give you some feedback as to how you performed and what you could adjust.

    Granted, the game would have to parse your parse and then provide something semi-useful at the end, something better than "CC a friend brewing a potion to even the odds..."

    It could even throw out the next skill in the rotation icon by icon, Guitar Hero style to help learn the timing, etc. (Yes, I'm quite serious).

    EDIT: Dummies that fight back, even with basic AoE, requiring the player to move or dummies that move themselves would be beneficial as an option, as well.



    Edited by Merlin13KAGL on July 10, 2018 2:31PM
    Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...

    Earn it.

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  • Guppet
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    Yep, make them more readily available and make people aware of them
    idk wrote: »
    And the other thing is, Zos cannot hold everyone's hand about everything.

    I get it OP has a reason he/she thinks Zos should hold our hand on this one issue as though it will make some difference.

    Interesting how "provide players with better access to tools they can use to improve themselves" equals 'hand holding'.

    I do sometimes wonder if all the moaning about poor dps is just misdirection. If certain people actually enjoy being much better and lording it over others.

    Surely anything which can help people improve is a good thing. Unless you enjoy being better and don’t want that to change.
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