Elder Scrolls Online in Steam's Top-25 Sellers list so far in 2018

Elsonso · July 2018

This link found it's way to me earlier today. Report is from earlier this week. Steam is not really ranking the games, but ESO is placed in the "Gold" section, which is part of the top 24 titles.

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/2018_so_far_top_sellers/

(It was also in the Gold section for 2017: http://store.steampowered.com/sale/2017_best_sellers/ )

Aliyavana · July 2018

Its a shame that the steam issues has bombarded the game with negative reviews

Ragebull · July 2018

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO gets an A+
ZOS gets an F

Davor · July 2018

Hard to say that it's a top selling game since it's ALWAYS on sale. Have it at full price then see if it's good. Also while they made the sales, are people playing it?

Congratulations either way to Zenimax to a job well done in sales. Now keep the people playing and improve the game instead of the store.

Lake · July 2018

All those poor sods won't know what hit them when the Steam issues arrive.

Syncronaut · July 2018

Steam is not realy a good place for mmos.
I find it strange final fantasy is not higher .. as its more popular (probaly steam issues or something).

logarifmik · July 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

Its a shame that the steam issues has bombarded the game with negative reviews

It's a shame that Steam players experience issues. Negative reviews are only logical in situations like this.

LordSemaj · July 2018

Syncronaut wrote: »

Steam is not realy a good place for mmos.
I find it strange final fantasy is not higher .. as its more popular (probaly steam issues or something).

Nah, it's because you can buy hundreds of hours worth of content for $10 with ESO yet Final Fantasy has a subscription fee so only dedicated MMO fans that enjoy quality and proper treatment will play it. $15 monthly versus $10 one time fee. You're going to see more low income players in ESO and they make up the majority of the planet's population.

Also I like how Warframe, another MMO, is in the top sellers despite being free to play. It and Dota 2 are the only ones without a price tag in the platinum tier.

Elsonso · July 2018

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO probably has some of the best game developers in the industry right now. Is the game perfect? No. Have they made some mistakes? Yes. Do they have work to do? Yes. Still, they are well above par, by my book. I'd love to see the game they could make if they were unleashed.

I would not call ZOS (the Studio) "incompetent" or "neglectful", but I am far less impressed with the people who run the studio than I am with the people who actually spend all day making the game.

Edit: Oops. Also, the forum staff is top notch.

Geroken777 · July 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

Its a shame that the steam issues has bombarded the game with negative reviews

It is deserved, though.

Elsonso · July 2018

Geroken777 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Its a shame that the steam issues has bombarded the game with negative reviews

It is deserved, though.

Maybe for people buying from Steam, but not for the whole game.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2018

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO gets an A+
ZOS gets an F

Gnomes best race

DanteYoda · July 2018

Weird when i looked the other day it was in Bronze... Now its gold.. hmm suss

logarifmik · July 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Geroken777 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Its a shame that the steam issues has bombarded the game with negative reviews

It is deserved, though.

Maybe for people buying from Steam, but not for the whole game.

The charm of the free market, commodity-money relations. Customer have a right to be dissatisfied in situations like this. Besides, if you read some recent red reviews on Steam, you will see, that people critisize not "the whole game", but problems they have on Steam in particular. So, please, rid us of this unnecessary apologetics.

Elsonso · July 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Gnomes best race

I look at that and my first thought was: I am so glad I don't play WoW anymore!

logarifmik wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Geroken777 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Its a shame that the steam issues has bombarded the game with negative reviews

It is deserved, though.

Maybe for people buying from Steam, but not for the whole game.

The charm of the free market, commodity-money relations. Customer have a right to be dissatisfied in situations like this. Besides, if you read some recent red reviews on Steam, you will see, that people critisize not "the whole game", but problems they have on Steam in particular.

This is precisely my point. Thank you.

ESO is getting a "Mixed" rating on Steam not because the game is bad, but because Steam people can't connect to the game. A fair complaint, but not reflective of the whole game.

logarifmik · July 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Gnomes best race

I look at that and my first thought was: I am so glad I don't play WoW anymore!

logarifmik wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Geroken777 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Its a shame that the steam issues has bombarded the game with negative reviews

It is deserved, though.

Maybe for people buying from Steam, but not for the whole game.

The charm of the free market, commodity-money relations. Customer have a right to be dissatisfied in situations like this. Besides, if you read some recent red reviews on Steam, you will see, that people critisize not "the whole game", but problems they have on Steam in particular.

This is precisely my point. Thank you.

ESO is getting a "Mixed" rating on Steam not because the game is bad, but because Steam people can't connect to the game. A fair complaint, but not reflective of the whole game.

Indeed, but devs brought it on themselves, so it's their problem now. And yeah, such occasions form a negative image of the company, like it or not.

Oberick · July 2018

LordSemaj wrote: »

Syncronaut wrote: »

Steam is not realy a good place for mmos.
I find it strange final fantasy is not higher .. as its more popular (probaly steam issues or something).

Nah, it's because you can buy hundreds of hours worth of content for $10 with ESO yet Final Fantasy has a subscription fee so only dedicated MMO fans that enjoy quality and proper treatment will play it. $15 monthly versus $10 one time fee. You're going to see more low income players in ESO and they make up the majority of the planet's population.

Also I like how Warframe, another MMO, is in the top sellers despite being free to play. It and Dota 2 are the only ones without a price tag in the platinum tier.

Warframe probably has the best F2P system in any game I have ever played and the Developers actually care for the customers unlike some other companies who install spyware, lower discounts, and raise prices. Not only that but I have never had a single problem with it on steam unlike other games. Plus it has tennogen which makes playing it on steam worth it if you like to buy stuff.

ESO and Final Fantasy doesn't really have any perks for being on steam other than convenience so I can see why they would be much lower even if you exclude the fact that Warframe usually has an event or new items/content every week or two while ESO doesn't.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2018

Oberick wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Syncronaut wrote: »

Steam is not realy a good place for mmos.
I find it strange final fantasy is not higher .. as its more popular (probaly steam issues or something).

Nah, it's because you can buy hundreds of hours worth of content for $10 with ESO yet Final Fantasy has a subscription fee so only dedicated MMO fans that enjoy quality and proper treatment will play it. $15 monthly versus $10 one time fee. You're going to see more low income players in ESO and they make up the majority of the planet's population.

Also I like how Warframe, another MMO, is in the top sellers despite being free to play. It and Dota 2 are the only ones without a price tag in the platinum tier.

Warframe probably has the best F2P system in any game I have ever played and the Developers actually care for the customers unlike some other companies who install spyware, lower discounts, and raise prices. Not only that but I have never had a single problem with it on steam unlike other games. Plus it has tennogen which makes playing it on steam worth it if you like to buy stuff.

ESO and Final Fantasy doesn't really have any perks for being on steam other than convenience so I can see why they would be much lower even if you exclude the fact that Warframe usually has an event or new items/content every week or two while ESO doesn't.

Also Zo$ is way to lenient on cheaters and botters, a company this large should really set an example for other smaller companies and show them its not ok to cheat, hack, or bot in online games tbh.

jedtb16_ESO · July 2018

steam is a reseller... they don't create just host other peoples creativity.

i only use them if access to a game is not possible any other way

Elsonso · July 2018

logarifmik wrote: »

Indeed, but devs brought it on themselves, so it's their problem now. And yeah, such occasions form a negative image of the company, like it or not.

What would be really sad is if it isn't the fault of ZOS, at all. There are two parties here, and either (or both) of them could be at fault. While ZOS is taking the heat, it might be Valve that is the problem. We just don't know, and probably never will.

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Also Zo$ is way to lenient on cheaters and botters, a company this large should really set an example for other smaller companies and show them its not ok to cheat, hack, or bot in online games tbh.

I agree. Costs money to do that, and for what purpose does ZOS have to be the example? None, that I can see.

Turelus · July 2018

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO gets an A+
ZOS gets an F

I always find it amusing when people say how amazing ESO is and how great it's become but slam ZOS at the same time. It couldn't be what it is without them, and whilst it's not all smooth sailing, we have the greatness because of them as well.

Glad to see it ranked up there on Steam, I think the games found a place and way to reach a lot of people who enjoy different aspects of play now.

ResTandRespeC · July 2018

Turelus wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO gets an A+
ZOS gets an F

I always find it amusing when people say how amazing ESO is and how great it's become but slam ZOS at the same time. It couldn't be what it is without them, and whilst it's not all smooth sailing, we have the greatness because of them as well.

Glad to see it ranked up there on Steam, I think the games found a place and way to reach a lot of people who enjoy different aspects of play now.

Probably a result of the lack of communication and lack of response cheating and botting as well as inconsistencies across the board. Plus, you know, the crown store stuff.

olivesforge · July 2018

I criticize ZOS a great deal, but the fact that the game continues to grow, both numerically and content-wise, after the near death experience of 2014 is really impressive. Moving to Tamriel Unlimited, which I still hate, did save the game and was necessary.

It's very hard to fix a game and a terrible release without completely burning down the house and starting over (which is what Square had to do), so credit on that.

Korah_Eaglecry · July 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Oberick wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

Syncronaut wrote: »

Steam is not realy a good place for mmos.
I find it strange final fantasy is not higher .. as its more popular (probaly steam issues or something).

Nah, it's because you can buy hundreds of hours worth of content for $10 with ESO yet Final Fantasy has a subscription fee so only dedicated MMO fans that enjoy quality and proper treatment will play it. $15 monthly versus $10 one time fee. You're going to see more low income players in ESO and they make up the majority of the planet's population.

Also I like how Warframe, another MMO, is in the top sellers despite being free to play. It and Dota 2 are the only ones without a price tag in the platinum tier.

Warframe probably has the best F2P system in any game I have ever played and the Developers actually care for the customers unlike some other companies who install spyware, lower discounts, and raise prices. Not only that but I have never had a single problem with it on steam unlike other games. Plus it has tennogen which makes playing it on steam worth it if you like to buy stuff.

ESO and Final Fantasy doesn't really have any perks for being on steam other than convenience so I can see why they would be much lower even if you exclude the fact that Warframe usually has an event or new items/content every week or two while ESO doesn't.

Also Zo$ is way to lenient on cheaters and botters, a company this large should really set an example for other smaller companies and show them its not ok to cheat, hack, or bot in online games tbh.

If the Botters negatively impacted their bottomline they would most definitely step on them. But until that time, they will ignore them.

JumpmanLane · July 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO probably has some of the best game developers in the industry right now. Is the game perfect? No. Have they made some mistakes? Yes. Do they have work to do? Yes. Still, they are well above par, by my book. I'd love to see the game they could make if they were unleashed.

I would not call ZOS (the Studio) "incompetent" or "neglectful", but I am far less impressed with the people who run the studio than I am with the people who actually spend all day making the game.

Edit: Oops. Also, the forum staff is top notch.

Rockstar has the best game devs in the industry. Let’s not get THAT twisted. Bethesda is known for putting out half-complete buggy games they let modders fix. I unno WTF ZOS calls itself doing with ESO.

Do I like their games? Yes. Do I pay a lot of money to play them. Yes? Would I herald their devs as the greastest thing since sliced bread? Nope.

They know where they stand.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2018

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO probably has some of the best game developers in the industry right now. Is the game perfect? No. Have they made some mistakes? Yes. Do they have work to do? Yes. Still, they are well above par, by my book. I'd love to see the game they could make if they were unleashed.

I would not call ZOS (the Studio) "incompetent" or "neglectful", but I am far less impressed with the people who run the studio than I am with the people who actually spend all day making the game.

Edit: Oops. Also, the forum staff is top notch.

Rockstar has the best game devs in the industry. Let’s not get THAT twisted. Bethesda is known for putting out half-complete buggy games they let modders fix. I unno WTF ZOS calls itself doing with ESO.

Do I like their games? Yes. Do I pay a lot of money to play them. Yes? Would I herald their devs as the greastest thing since sliced bread? Nope.

They know where they stand.

I do have to admit EA was the worst company 2017, by pushing a game that was claimed to be finished but was found out it was still in beta testing even, and also the fact they called off content updates on it ever since that was announced and made it a dead end.

For a company as large as EA that was a really shady move, so got to hand it to Zo$ they didn't pull that crap atleast.

Morgul667 · July 2018

I cancelled my eso+ subscription and dont miss it

at least the fully bugged game I play is "free" now

JumpmanLane · July 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO probably has some of the best game developers in the industry right now. Is the game perfect? No. Have they made some mistakes? Yes. Do they have work to do? Yes. Still, they are well above par, by my book. I'd love to see the game they could make if they were unleashed.

I would not call ZOS (the Studio) "incompetent" or "neglectful", but I am far less impressed with the people who run the studio than I am with the people who actually spend all day making the game.

Edit: Oops. Also, the forum staff is top notch.

Rockstar has the best game devs in the industry. Let’s not get THAT twisted. Bethesda is known for putting out half-complete buggy games they let modders fix. I unno WTF ZOS calls itself doing with ESO.

Do I like their games? Yes. Do I pay a lot of money to play them. Yes? Would I herald their devs as the greastest thing since sliced bread? Nope.

They know where they stand.

I do have to admit EA was the worst company 2017, by pushing a game that was claimed to be finished but was found out it was still in beta testing even, and also the fact they called off content updates on it ever since that was announced and made it a dead end.

For a company as large as EA that was a really shady move, so got to hand it to Zo$ they didn't pull that crap atleast.

I’m not ragging on ZOS and ESPECIALLY not Bethesda as I love their games. I buy their games. I play their games.

I like EA’s games. Rockstar is a bit dochey about their games. I love how Bethesda has embraced a healthy modding community. I decry the reason WHY they had to embrace modding. Rockstar doesn’t because they don’t HAVE to. If they do it’s begrudged.

If paying money and what you bought WORKS is the metric by which one measures quality of game development, it’s an easy task to pick a clear winner.

ZOS has the best developers in the gaming industry is a mite hyperbolic lol

BuddyAces · July 2018

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO probably has some of the best game developers in the industry right now. Is the game perfect? No. Have they made some mistakes? Yes. Do they have work to do? Yes. Still, they are well above par, by my book. I'd love to see the game they could make if they were unleashed.

I would not call ZOS (the Studio) "incompetent" or "neglectful", but I am far less impressed with the people who run the studio than I am with the people who actually spend all day making the game.

Edit: Oops. Also, the forum staff is top notch.

Rockstar has the best game devs in the industry.

CD Projekt Red would like to have a word with you.

Elsonso · July 2018

JumpmanLane wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Ragebull wrote: »

It should be top 25, ESO is an amazing game and beats the stuffing out of any other mmo out now. ZOS is incompetent and potential buyers need to be aware of that, but it still managed to grow into something great despite the neglectful parents

ESO probably has some of the best game developers in the industry right now. Is the game perfect? No. Have they made some mistakes? Yes. Do they have work to do? Yes. Still, they are well above par, by my book. I'd love to see the game they could make if they were unleashed.

I would not call ZOS (the Studio) "incompetent" or "neglectful", but I am far less impressed with the people who run the studio than I am with the people who actually spend all day making the game.

Edit: Oops. Also, the forum staff is top notch.

Rockstar has the best game devs in the industry. Let’s not get THAT twisted. Bethesda is known for putting out half-complete buggy games they let modders fix. I unno WTF ZOS calls itself doing with ESO.

Do I like their games? Yes. Do I pay a lot of money to play them. Yes? Would I herald their devs as the greastest thing since sliced bread? Nope.

They know where they stand.

I stand by my statements. ZOS managed to score some of the best game developers in the industry. The end result is a group of game developers that is, or was, well above average across all the games that I have played.

I am deliberately not comparing ZOS to other studios, or ESO to other games. The comparison to Rockstar is very nice. I am sure they have some of the best game developers in the industry, too. I don't care.

JumpmanLane · July 2018

Well if the metric isn’t the final product-i.e. THE GAMES, just give everyone a cookie and a participation trophy. Hehehehe