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Maelstrom Bow Trait

Mudguard
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Hi, my orc got a maelstrom bow yesterday. Is nirnhoned the best trait for it or would you recommend something else? If so, why?
  • LeHarrt91
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    As the Maelstrom bow is normally a backbar weapon for stamina, Nirn is generally best as im pretty sure the dots you cast are calculated off of your weapon damage from the bar they are casted and carry over to front bar. And if you running the Lover mundus you will need the weapon damage.

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  • Jultzy
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    Infused is a good option with a weapon damage enchaunt because then the weapon damage gets carried over to your front bar abilities and you can therefore run other enchants on the front bar weapon which gives more raw damage. I would say that Infused is the best option followed by Nirnhoned but it depends on what you're doing.
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  • Toc de Malsvi
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    Jultzy wrote: »
    Infused is a good option with a weapon damage enchaunt because then the weapon damage gets carried over to your front bar abilities and you can therefore run other enchants on the front bar weapon which gives more raw damage. I would say that Infused is the best option followed by Nirnhoned but it depends on what you're doing.

    Infused depends very much on rotation. If you are proccing the enchant immediately on swapping to bow bar then you either need to stay on bar for ~5+ seconds or you need to swap back to main bar within 2 seconds. Otherwise the extra weapon damage from the infused isn't significant over Berserker enchant with another trait. Basically you either need to spending almost no time on your back bar or you need to be landing a second proc before going back to main bar.

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  • Toc de Malsvi
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    Mudguard wrote: »
    Hi, my orc got a maelstrom bow yesterday. Is nirnhoned the best trait for it or would you recommend something else? If so, why?

    Nirnhoned is a good trait. Sharpened will net slightly more if you are not at penetration cap. However as long as its either Nirnhoned, Sharpened, or Precise you will be fine with very little variance to your overall output. Infused is also good depending on rotation and enchant.
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  • ArpamiesFin
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    I say nirhoned and the enchant doesnt matter because u want to be running double health poison on bow bar
  • JobooAGS
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    Nirnhoned as you will be using double damage poisons negating any enchant you may have
  • Asardes
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    Single target DoTs will inherit the stats they got when cast, AoE DoTs will update their stats for every tick. People recommend Nirnhoned or Precise because they run double ravage health potions on back bar, and in that case Infused is useless since poisons override enchants. But if you're not using poisons Infused w Berserker enchant is actually one of the better traits. The enchant will be still up by the time you have cast Poison Injection.

    Back bar rotation looks something like that: Rearming Trap -> LA* -> Endless Hail -> LA -> Poison Injection -> LA -> Razor Caltrops -> Swap. This typically takes ~4s so if the enchant procs at * it will be active for the whole sequence duration and about 1s after swapping, when there's a chance the off-hand Berserker takes over, but that's not relevant.

    So the back bar Berserker it will surely buff Poison Injection and ticks from other skills that happen on back bar and about 1s after swapping. When using Maelstrom bow never swap-cancel Endless Hail since it will no apply the special effect. I preffer swap-canceling Razor Caltrops since the animation is clunky but it makes no difference if you cancel on any other skill, including Poison Injection.
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  • Aerithone
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    Jultzy wrote: »
    Infused is a good option with a weapon damage enchaunt because then the weapon damage gets carried over to your front bar abilities and you can therefore run other enchants on the front bar weapon which gives more raw damage. I would say that Infused is the best option followed by Nirnhoned but it depends on what you're doing.

    As long as you run poisons on back-bar - nirn is the strongest, then precise.
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  • Mudguard
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    Thank you for all the helpful replies.
  • Ihatenightblades
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    Jultzy wrote: »
    Infused is a good option with a weapon damage enchaunt because then the weapon damage gets carried over to your front bar abilities and you can therefore run other enchants on the front bar weapon which gives more raw damage. I would say that Infused is the best option followed by Nirnhoned but it depends on what you're doing.

    Wrong. Nirn with double dot damage poisons outperforms infused no matter the trait you have on it ;)
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Hard to argue for infused, as most people have a one on their front bar with a weapon damage enchant on one of their DW weapons.

    Almost everyone runs poisons on their back bar, so Nirn is the obvious choice. You could probably make content/situation specific arguments for sharp or even precise, but if you have one VMA bow, Nirn is meta until i hear otherwise from someone smarter than me.
  • John_Falstaff
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    By the way, speaking of double-dot damage health poison - in the bug reports section, there's a report on them, noting that poisons might be bugged right now, should definitely keep that in mind when choosing trait. Bug report states that currently (starting with Summerset update) they're treated as non-stackable debuffs, not dots - so, if two players proc identical alchemical poison on target, then the poison effect from first player will be canceled by the proc from the second (as opposed to them stacking).

    If anyone will get to verify that, leave a note here, just to let the information hang here in everyone's view.
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