DuskMarine wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away.

About transferring... I am 100% sure ZOS would have no issues doing this, if they were not contractually bound not to. Step back and think about it. If they did this they would get every dime you spend on the game to themselves, versus the percent cut they get now with Microsoft/Sony getting the rest. You don't really think Microsoft/Sony is willing to lose that, do you?

they did awhile back i dont know why they stopped it

The PC to console transfer was a one time only transfer because console release was pushed back. So this gave a chance for anyone that wanted to, could still play and then carry over to console when it finally released. The devs have stated that cross platform play was never something they intended and never developed for.

I want to remind everyone: again, I am not talking about crossplay nor the transfer of purchases.

This is talking about setting up some comparable service for purchase to allow users, to re-purchase what they already bought and to simply "honor the CP level and achievement on the account" That is it. I am not even talking about transfering characters.

What ever databases they need to use wouldnt be full for long... 24 hour period tops.... to me this reads a lack of experience or more likely a disinterest in even trying.

DuskMarine wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

I know for a fact, if it were a PC issue, it would be resolved right-away.

About transferring... I am 100% sure ZOS would have no issues doing this, if they were not contractually bound not to. Step back and think about it. If they did this they would get every dime you spend on the game to themselves, versus the percent cut they get now with Microsoft/Sony getting the rest. You don't really think Microsoft/Sony is willing to lose that, do you?

they did awhile back i dont know why they stopped it

The PC to console transfer was a one time only transfer because console release was pushed back. So this gave a chance for anyone that wanted to, could still play and then carry over to console when it finally released. The devs have stated that cross platform play was never something they intended and never developed for.

doesnt matter they did it once they can do it again then. thats the thing companies screw themselves with if you do it one time your gonna have to do it again later. and since this is the era where cross play is a thing they are gonna have to start moving into that era as well otherwise their gonna be left behind.

No, it doesnt mean they can just do it again. There were certain terms and conditions for the copy and transfer. Those terms and conditions are no longer applicable. They would need new agreements with Sony and Microsoft, because they have partial control of the accounts. And cross play is barely a thing right now.

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm not defending Sony. I don't think they've been particularly defensible ever since that whole rootkit thing. But in the information era I don't think it's plausible to plead ignorance when you choose a Sony product and it winds up biting you in the ***. The questionable track record exists.


As far as ESO rights, well:
"Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), You agree that ZeniMax will not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform, any loss of Content (including, but not limited to, UGC, Game Mods and Downloadable Content), and/or Account data (including, but not limited to, Character data) resulting from any causes whatsoever. ZeniMax reserves the right to offer new Services, change and/or discontinue certain Services at any time in its sole discretion."

People say the TOS is too long and boring to read and then they wonder why the grounds they thought to stand on don't exist.

Even what you quoted, though, states that are able to offer new services: I am not talking about crossplay here. Though it is account data. Please do not understand me wrong, I am not blaming ZOS. I believe that loopholes by licensing from sony skirts on the outskirts of the law. I would love for ZOS to see this as an opportunity to profit from my misfortune or mistake. Just give me a chance to get out of it is all. I'll pay.

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm not defending Sony. I don't think they've been particularly defensible ever since that whole rootkit thing. But in the information era I don't think it's plausible to plead ignorance when you choose a Sony product and it winds up biting you in the ***. The questionable track record exists.


As far as ESO rights, well:
"Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), You agree that ZeniMax will not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform, any loss of Content (including, but not limited to, UGC, Game Mods and Downloadable Content), and/or Account data (including, but not limited to, Character data) resulting from any causes whatsoever. ZeniMax reserves the right to offer new Services, change and/or discontinue certain Services at any time in its sole discretion."

People say the TOS is too long and boring to read and then they wonder why the grounds they thought to stand on don't exist.

Even what you quoted, though, states that are able to offer new services: I am not talking about crossplay here. Though it is account data. Please do not understand me wrong, I am not blaming ZOS. I believe that loopholes by licensing from sony skirts on the outskirts of the law. I would love for ZOS to see this as an opportunity to profit from my misfortune or mistake. Just give me a chance to get out of it is all. I'll pay.

Please state what laws they are trying to skirt.

Here is one: the fact that when purchasing crowns, there are times when the crowns won't actually be credited and I have to be the same purchase again if I truly want them. This has happened three times in the past and each time sony refused. They threatened my account with suspension if I called again regarding the issue. I brought up the issue with ZOS and it was stated that the agreement between ZOS and sony keeps the purchases out of their hand. So technically, sony can advertise something for sale digitally: you buy and technically that are not required to give it. It is only by their grace that they "gift it" to you. You back charge your card, you get banned. You complain about racists harassing you can get banned. its evil. That is just an example of other things.

DuskMarine wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

mdb800 wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm not defending Sony. I don't think they've been particularly defensible ever since that whole rootkit thing. But in the information era I don't think it's plausible to plead ignorance when you choose a Sony product and it winds up biting you in the ***. The questionable track record exists.


As far as ESO rights, well:
"Except as prohibited by applicable law and subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1), You agree that ZeniMax will not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform, any loss of Content (including, but not limited to, UGC, Game Mods and Downloadable Content), and/or Account data (including, but not limited to, Character data) resulting from any causes whatsoever. ZeniMax reserves the right to offer new Services, change and/or discontinue certain Services at any time in its sole discretion."

People say the TOS is too long and boring to read and then they wonder why the grounds they thought to stand on don't exist.

Even what you quoted, though, states that are able to offer new services: I am not talking about crossplay here. Though it is account data. Please do not understand me wrong, I am not blaming ZOS. I believe that loopholes by licensing from sony skirts on the outskirts of the law. I would love for ZOS to see this as an opportunity to profit from my misfortune or mistake. Just give me a chance to get out of it is all. I'll pay.

Please state what laws they are trying to skirt.

Here is one: the fact that when purchasing crowns, there are times when the crowns won't actually be credited and I have to be the same purchase again if I truly want them. This has happened three times in the past and each time sony refused. They threatened my account with suspension if I called again regarding the issue. I brought up the issue with ZOS and it was stated that the agreement between ZOS and sony keeps the purchases out of their hand. So technically, sony can advertise something for sale digitally: you buy and technically that are not required to give it. It is only by their grace that they "gift it" to you. You back charge your card, you get banned. You complain about racists harassing you can get banned. its evil. That is just an example of other things.

they actually cant do that and if you actually can back charge and if anything happens to your account you can sue them at that point cause they banned you on false pretenses.

The agent actually said, knowing that it was a glitch that if I tried to back charge, I would get banned.

Yubarius wrote: »

Zos probably would do it and charge money for it if they could, but it's likely there are contracts with Sony and Microsoft that say they cant because those companies make profit from the stuff players buy as well. So they probably wouldn't be keen on letting ZOS allow players to leave and have the players money start going to steam instead.

Is there anyway to know this for sure if its a contract sort of deal? I have not seen confirmation of this. Though sony lost my trust. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I would believe it, but I don't see it. I see proof of sony not allowing cross-play. However that is not the same as what I am proposing.

radiostar wrote: »

What happens if the char name is already in use, and you want to keep your same name? Do you pay for a token to change your name, or just create a new char on your account (meaning lose all char-bound achievements/items but keep CP). Or do you expect to get a free name change token on top of an account transfer?

Id expect to create a new character and lose only character bound achievements. No named entitlements. Id, expect to have to rebuy crown items, buy merely have access to buy them again. Some of these were timed sensitive.

craigr02 wrote: »

I want them to give a complete copy. I know they could do it. I too would switch.

I wouldn't mind that either, but I would settle for just keeping the cp as well.

ResTandRespeC wrote: »

I would assume its mainly because of playstaytion/xbox. No company wants players to leave and usually attempt to lock them in to the platform. I wouldn't hold your breathe though, as people have been asking a long time. It might be worth it to just start a new account and play on both platforms. A lot of people do it.

ZOS can offer transfer without even discussing this with MS or Sony.
They pull the data about your account and characters and move this to another server.
You then need to link this to an new account you buy, might be an special and more expensive one and you are up and running outside of having to rename your characters.

Problem is that they do not have an way to pull all account or character data. The PC to console port was an database copy there they deleted all characters who was not transferred.

This is an problem other than transfers, if some figure out you password, log into you account steal all your stuff and delete your characters, well that is your problem.
Yes its also ZOS problem if you spend lot on the game as its an high chance you would quit.

With regular character backup they would simply roll you back an week. In WOW this is an free service, its an skill, a skill similar to not wiping repeatably on first trash in Wayrest 1.

I've long held the belief that your 'account' should be the same account what ever the platform is that you play on.

Whether you play on ps4, xbox1 or pc or a combination of any, your 'account' should be a central database that allows you to play on console while slobbing on the couch exploring one night and then sat at your desk on pc screaming at the screen in a vet dlc pug the next night. (Yes, I scream at the screen, grrr, snarf).

You'd still need to buy the game for the relevant platforms you want to play on but its YOUR 'account' and you've damn well forked over the cash for it and continue to contribute through subs and clown store purchases etc.

So you can afford $399.99 (price of PS4 pro) $39.99 (price of eso) [$59.99 at launch] and $14.99 monthly, but can’t afford a $500 PC to play ESO on?

Should have made a smarter investment. That’s like people wanting a refund or a re-do on who you’re 401k retirement plan is with. Once you pick company A and commit to it for years, you can’t just switch over and claim you want the benefits of company B’s 401k plan as soon as you switch.

Make better choices.

sekekama21554 wrote: »

So you can afford $399.99 (price of PS4 pro) $39.99 (price of eso) [$59.99 at launch] and $14.99 monthly, but can’t afford a $500 PC to play ESO on?

Should have made a smarter investment. That’s like people wanting a refund or a re-do on who you’re 401k retirement plan is with. Once you pick company A and commit to it for years, you can’t just switch over and claim you want the benefits of company B’s 401k plan as soon as you switch.

Make better choices.

Read the post. there was no ps4 pro at the launch of eso. and yes I can afford a pc now I never said that I cannot. I said my financial situation changed.I was poor at launch and I did not pay 499 at launch of the ps4. So I don't know what timeline you are coming from but you are just being a troll. you cold not play eso at launch for $500. I tried. it was unplayable and a 500mb video card on pc at the time that was a 700 dolar investment by the way at the time. Your analogy does not hold weight as in the real world some companies do offer a switch though it is not a transfer. Also, sony was not threatening their users then as they are now.

So please knock off the trolling. I am trying to be constructive. so are others here.