Werewolf Warden Patch 19

Wolfpaw · July 2018

Warden passive class skills seem left out compared to other classes synergy with the werewolf. I added a quick overview. Any suggestions to the Warden Class passives are welcomed.

Edit: Updated to show class passive skills for Ultimate Regen. Sources of Ult regen outside of class specific passives not included atm.

Warden
+6% Magic and Frost Damage
+15% Reduce the effectiveness of snares
When healing you or an ally, grant them Minor Toughness, which increases Max Health by 10% for 10 seconds.
Damaging an enemy with an Animal Companion ability grants 4 Ultimate. This effect has a cooldown of 8 seconds.

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+ 2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost
Activating a Dawn's Wrath ability grants 3 additional Ultimate. This can only occur once every 6 seconds.
Healing Ritual grants 2 Ultimate to allies under 60% Health

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming
When you cast an Earthen Heart ability, you and your group members within 30 meters gain Minor Brutality for 20 seconds, increasing your Weapon Damage 5%
If you are in combat, you also gain 3 Ultimate. This can only occur once every 6 seconds.

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage
Whenever you deal Physical Damage you have a 6% chance to instantly pulverize enemies under 15% Health, dealing [x] Physical Damage.

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery
Gain 20 Ultimate after consuming a Potion.
Activating a Siphoning ability grants 2 Ultimate. This effect has a 4 second cooldown.

Starlight_Knight · July 2018

Yep warden needs some TLC in a lot of departments, No passives that help werewolf is just another to add to the pile.

DanteYoda · July 2018

Wow what is with this company and Sorcerers..

Wolfpaw · July 2018

Hayden_Knight wrote: »

Yep warden needs some TLC in a lot of departments, No passives that help werewolf is just another to add to the pile.

All I see is a lil boost to our WW heal with magic damage, and toughness (untested on my part though).

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2018

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery
Gain 20 Ultimate after consuming a Potion.

Well... you can't gather ultimate points in WW form so this +20 Ultimate after consuming a Potion is kind of a useless...

VilniusNastavnik · July 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Wow what is with this company and Sorcerers..

Elder Sorcs Online: One Stamriel.

Cerbolt · July 2018

Warden needs help in general really. But giving it a bit of synergy with werewolf would be an interesting start. My ww warden would appreciate it at least.

Wolfpaw · July 2018

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery
Gain 20 Ultimate after consuming a Potion.

Well... you can't gather ultimate points in WW form so this +20 Ultimate after consuming a Potion is kind of a useless...

Good point, and updated.

Like the other classes listed it shows Ult regen (NB)/reduction (Temp, Sorce) /perk (DK) passive skills compared to the Warden. I personally don't have an issue w/the Warden's Ult regen/path to transformation.

Updated to add sources.

Davor · July 2018

DanteYoda wrote: »

Wow what is with this company and Sorcerers..

The were once one of the weakest classes of the game if not the weakest class just about a year or so ago. So not like they were always great/good to use. Also people do great with other classes so the Sorcerer is not the be all end all class.

Easier yes. Best? I am sure some will disagree and can handle them quite easily.

Qbiken · July 2018

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Warden seems left out compared to other classes synergy with the werewolf, any thought or news out on this subject? I added a quick overview, I may be missing some additional class passives, please speak up if I have. Thank you.

Edit: Updated to show the Warden's passive class skill for Ultimate Regen. Sources of Ult regen outside of class specific passives not included.

Warden
+6% Magic and Frost Damage
+15% Reduce the effectiveness of snares
When healing you or an ally, grant them Minor Toughness, which increases Max Health by 10% for 10 seconds.
Damaging an enemy with an Animal Companion ability grants 4 Ultimate. This effect has a cooldown of 8 seconds.

Templar
+6% Weapon Damage
+ 2640 Spell Resistance
-4% Stamina, Magicka and Ultimate cost

Dragonknight
+10% Block Mitigation
+3300 Spell Resistance
Replenish 13,800 Stamina, Health and Magicka when transforming

Sorcerer
-5% cost on Stamina and Magicka abilities
-15% cost on Ultimate abilities
+10% Magicka Recovery
+5% Physical Damage
Whenever you deal Physical Damage you have a 6% chance to instantly pulverize enemies under 15% Health, dealing [x] Physical Damage.

Nightblade
+15% Health Recovery
+15% Stamina Recovery
+15% Magicka Recovery
Gain 20 Ultimate after consuming a Potion.

Nightblades does not benefit from the ultiregen in WW-form tho.

akredon_ESO · July 2018

Davor wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Wow what is with this company and Sorcerers..

The were once one of the weakest classes of the game if not the weakest class just about a year or so ago. So not like they were always great/good to use. Also people do great with other classes so the Sorcerer is not the be all end all class.

Easier yes. Best? I am sure some will disagree and can handle them quite easily.

I think you are confusing this with Nightblade. At no point in time have Sorcs being "weakest Class" They may have been Less FOTM but Weakest Not a chance

Leandor · July 2018

Listing Ult reductions and ult regen passives as advantages, conveniently forgetting that warden has by far the fastest ult regen through shimmering shield, just because it's not a passive.

Ace.

Wolfpaw · July 2018

Leandor wrote: »

Listing Ult reductions and ult regen passives as advantages, conveniently forgetting that warden has by far the fastest ult regen through shimmering shield, just because it's not a passive.

Ace.

Not conveniently, on purpose.

Shimmering Shield is not a Warden class passive skill, it's an active skill morph that needs to be slotted, activated, and attacked to make use of the Ult regen, similar to the many other skills that regen Ult in a non passive way that most players are aware of. I'm not exactly pulling the sheet over Zenimax/players head with this one...To reiterate, "I personally don't have an issue w/the Warden's Ult regen/path to transformation".

Shimmering Shield: Spin a shield of ice around you, absorbing up to 13116 damage from 3 projectiles
Each time you absorb a projectile you restore 578 Magicka and gain Major Heorism for 6 seconds, granting you 3 Ultimate every 1.5 seconds.
Gain ultimate on successful absorbs.

Leandor · July 2018

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Listing Ult reductions and ult regen passives as advantages, conveniently forgetting that warden has by far the fastest ult regen through shimmering shield, just because it's not a passive.

Ace.

Not conveniently, on purpose.

Shimmering Shield is not a Warden class passive skill, it's an active skill morph that needs to be slotted, activated, and attacked to make use of the Ult regen, similar to the many other skills that regen Ult in a non passive way that most players are aware of. I'm not exactly pulling the sheet over Zenimax/players head with this one...To reiterate, "I personally don't have an issue w/the Warden's Ult regen/path to transformation".

Shimmering Shield: Spin a shield of ice around you, absorbing up to 13116 damage from 3 projectiles
Each time you absorb a projectile you restore 578 Magicka and gain Major Heorism for 6 seconds, granting you 3 Ultimate every 1.5 seconds.
Gain ultimate on successful absorbs.

Well, if you like "purposely ommitting" more than "conveniently forgetting", I can edit my post. Doesn't change the fact that no other class can generate ultimate faster than warden.

So, simple solution: remove the ult regen passives from your list. Passive or not, the only effect gained from ult regen is how quick you can enter werewolf form. And warden is quickest, with the only possible exception of a nightblade with soul harvest, and no stam blade will use this morph. Hell, even magblades use incap outside of dedicated ult bomb builds for ball groups.

Doing a reality check on your list up there, warden has one of the best possible passives (15% snare reduction) for wolves, since their passive affects werewolf's greatest weakness, the inability to purge.

The only class better suited for wolves is sorc, if reduced to passives.

So then, I reconsider my initial statement to say: Way to purposely ommit all synergies and falsely downplay warden capabilities to insinuate that an already overpowered class combination needs more buffs.

Cloudless · July 2018

Remember when people were whining about wardens being p2w before the class was even released?

DeadlyPhoenix · July 2018

akredon_ESO wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Wow what is with this company and Sorcerers..

The were once one of the weakest classes of the game if not the weakest class just about a year or so ago. So not like they were always great/good to use. Also people do great with other classes so the Sorcerer is not the be all end all class.

Easier yes. Best? I am sure some will disagree and can handle them quite easily.

I think you are confusing this with Nightblade. At no point in time have Sorcs being "weakest Class" They may have been Less FOTM but Weakest Not a chance

Nah, guess you haven't mained a sorc since launch. We went through a period where we were locked from trials groups because we were the least effective DPS.

Everyone just likes to bash sorcs. Always have. Personally I like to bash OP nightblades and dks. Insane survivability and damage, but our rune cage is OP for sure.....

DanteYoda · July 2018

Davor wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Wow what is with this company and Sorcerers..

The were once one of the weakest classes of the game if not the weakest class just about a year or so ago. So not like they were always great/good to use. Also people do great with other classes so the Sorcerer is not the be all end all class.

Easier yes. Best? I am sure some will disagree and can handle them quite easily.

At release they were amazing, Nightblades were horrible at release though.. Just odd how a company favors one class over others when their game has so many classes with PvE and PvP as features..

Wolfpaw · July 2018

Updated to show all class skill passives for ultimate regeneration, will update later to show active skill ult regen.

MLGProPlayer · July 2018

The warden class is a sick and twisted joke played on us by Wrobel. There is no logical explanation for a class that weak ever being in an MMO. The balance team at ZOS must get off watching us struggle helplessly to compete with the other classes for over 12 months now.

2% endgame representation... I've never seen a class that unpopular in an MMO before. The warden class is truly historically bad, and ZOS continues to ignore it.