Strife
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭and how did kena win those duels? definitely not by spamming your mentioned skills but by using a merciless which is..hmm..reflectable...lol..oh wait so we are back to our original argument....reflect is a problem for mag nb isnt it.
never said it isn't there's an other post where is describe the issues with magdk vs magnb but this post is about strife being an projectile, which it is.0 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Vietfox i have a Task for you once you get your laptop back alright?
you go to max range of strife and cast it with a dodge cancel, you'll be hit by the heal after you finished the dodge roll.
now do this while you are only as far away as the dodge roll will take you and repeat the test.
you'll be suprised when the heal will connect (small hint your butt is still mid-air)
there is a travel time, not as slow as caluurion or will but there is one.
I have no doubt that the heal takes longer depending on the distance since i see the red lines coming from the target to me, but what i meant is the damage. Anyway, i'll see it by myself next week hopefuly.
And as for what i've been reading, i agree on having just 1 non reflectable ranged skill, especially when the tooltip says "steals", meaning absorbing. Projectile skills usually got words in their tooltips like these ones: launch, projectile, throw, etcEdited by Vietfox on July 6, 2018 9:32PM0 -
Zoal_AUG✭✭✭and how did kena win those duels? definitely not by spamming your mentioned skills but by using a merciless which is..hmm..reflectable...lol..oh wait so we are back to our original argument....reflect is a problem for mag nb isnt it.
never said it isn't there's an other post where is describe the issues with magdk vs magnb but this post is about strife being an projectile, which it is.
ok then i will go qq there for the rights of magblades tho im pretty tired of mag dk mains protecting their asses while having zero clue of the other side.0 -
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✭✭✭I play both mag NB and stam DK. I don't know what the rationale behind the Force Shock change was and who it helped. Since Force Shock counts as 3 attacks, it would melt away wings in the past. With the increase of wing uptime from 4s to 6s, the Force Shock change actually helps DKs achieve that greater uptime, and this has felt beneficial to my mag sustain as a stam DK with wings. On the other hand a sorc can spec to use neither Frags nor Flame Reach, in which case wings are almost completely useless against them.
Not so against magblades. Changing Strife would seem logical and still not put NBs on par with sorcs, since the latter have unreflectable Curse and execute. On the other hand you'd seriously have to wonder what wings are still good for in that case. Everyone knows there is a rock / paper / scissor aspect to this game. (Mag) DK vs magblade is perhaps one of those matchups, although it's really more of a stalemate, if the magblade uses Cripple and Shade to keep a distance.
Do reflected light attacks count towards Merciless? If they don't, then careful what you wish for, as it could be more difficult to build Assassin's Will once Strife goes through.1 -
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I play all classes don't try to lowkey me with class bias.and how did kena win those duels? definitely not by spamming your mentioned skills but by using a merciless which is..hmm..reflectable...lol..oh wait so we are back to our original argument....reflect is a problem for mag nb isnt it.
never said it isn't there's an other post where is describe the issues with magdk vs magnb but this post is about strife being an projectile, which it is.
ok then i will go qq there for the rights of magblades tho im pretty tired of mag dk mains protecting their asses while having zero clue of the other side.0 -
RighteousBacon✭✭✭✭Melee mag nightblade (not as a bomber) is probably my favorite playstyle. Infinite cloak, insane hidden movement speed. Your enemy never knows where you are. It’s so fun, but sadly I haven’t played it for several patches due to it being subpar without dlc proc sets like zaan and calourion.1 -
Zoal_AUG✭✭✭
I play all classes don't try to lowkey me with class bias.and how did kena win those duels? definitely not by spamming your mentioned skills but by using a merciless which is..hmm..reflectable...lol..oh wait so we are back to our original argument....reflect is a problem for mag nb isnt it.
never said it isn't there's an other post where is describe the issues with magdk vs magnb but this post is about strife being an projectile, which it is.
ok then i will go qq there for the rights of magblades tho im pretty tired of mag dk mains protecting their asses while having zero clue of the other side.
who talked about you? im talking about mag dk mains....0 -
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✭How you come to the assumption it's not a projectile?
It's ranged, blockable, dodgeable, cloakable, reflectable and has a traveltime.
Anything a projectile has on this game is something that's fulfilled by strife and it's morph
"It's ranged, blockable, dodgeable, cloakable, reflectable and has a traveltime."
Cliff Racer is every one of these things, too, but it isn't reflectable. Apart from arguing semantics of "whether or not it's a projectile", I can't see a reason balance-wise why Strife should remain reflectable in it's current state.it doesnt have to be strife it can be ANY mag nb skill becuz its not normal that 100% of magblade attacks can be countered with 1 skill... give 1 skill to nb that goes through reflect and we can call it balanced.
Like lotus fan, sap essence, concealed weapons, path, shade, incap, soul tether?
Yes. Let me just spam Sap Essence on a DK spamming Reflect while Shade and Path do a combined total of 1.5k DPS. That will surely make me win the fight.
Come on, dude.Edited by arkansas_ESO on July 7, 2018 5:24AMＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭L2P.
Don't like being hit with your own skills on a MagBlade? Run a Concealed Weapon based build then. Problem solved.2 -
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Actually, I suggest you actually pay attention to the animation, because there is. A small red ball which returns energy after it lands.
Strife takes the same time to deal the damage, doesnt matter if the target is 5 or 30 meters away from you. Any proper projectile takes its time depending on the distance.
As for the animation i cant tell right now because my laptop is being repaired, but i've checked videos and havent seen any ball being launched to the target.
If strife is a projectile zos should make it clear, same way it was confusing for many people when warden was released and people asked why they were getting knocked back from clench/reach while using shimmering shields.
As for the animation there is a red streak moving to the target so there is something moving to the target. Looks like a projectile.0 -
WacArnold✭✭✭Op good luck barking up this tree. I feel you, but this is a argument that creates so much hate. Might as well make it political argument nobody will have a civilized debate about it.
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